HOWEDY steve steve,
Looks like you CAN'T DEFEND YOURSELF, eh??
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
"SteveB" <toquerville@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "mike d." <mikdan7@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> my neighbors female pitbull has long claws and she jumps on you and
>> scratches with them. She is a block head of a dog, and she doesn't
listen
>> to ****- and i ain't gonna hit her to try to see if that works, so I
end
>> up just keeping my distance from that dog. It's a shame, personally, i
>> think pitbulls as a breed are a mistake which should either be bred out
>> of existence or seriously bred to improve them and make them useful for
>> something besides a half-ass companion dog which cannot always be
trusted
>> to behave.. Mike.
>> "Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory"
>>
<Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> wrote in message news:gCWwk.23675$IB6.4047@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> HOWEDY SteveB,
>>>
>>> You wouldn't happen to be Steve Boyer, the ONLY
>>> pathetic miserable stinkin rotten animal murderin
>>> mental case PROFESSIONAL dog trainer here who
>>> AIN'T been bagged for LYIN, would you?
>>>
>>> "SteveB" <toquerville@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>> news:02hbp5-ip01.ln1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> I've broken many a dog from jumping up on me.
>>>
>>> INDEED?
>>>
>>> Dogs jump on folks to GREET them an MHOWETH
>>> them as BONDING behaviors <{}: ~ ) >
>>>
>>> SOME EXXXPERT PROFESSIONAL TRAINERS like
>>> Kevin Behan and his students LeeCharlesKelley an Canis55
>>> a.k.a. DEAMON CHILD TRAIN their dogs to jump up to
>>> greet them to CAPITALIZE on dogs NATURAL BONDING
>>> BEHAVIOR <{}: ~ ) >
>>>
>>>> The owner asks me, "How come he doesn't jump on you and he jumps on
>>>> everyone else?"
>>>
>>> PERHAPS the dogs DON'T LIKE you, eh, Steve?
>>>
>>>> I dont' tell him that when the dog jumped, I did the appropriate
thing
>>>
>>> Oh? You mean LIKE THIS?:
>>>
>>> Here's a other pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin
>>> anonymHOWES coward, not so handsome, not so
>>> gentle, not so manly, not so happy jackass, not even
>>> morrison aka dogman a.k.a. BIG DADDY, a.k.a.
>>> tommy sorenson:
>>>
>>> "I don't know how big you are, kiddo, so this may
>>> not be as easy for you as it is for me, but use a little
>>> "knee action," that is, as the dog goes charging by
>>> you, just give the dog a little bop with your knee
>>> and ****n.
>>>
>>> Yep, really lean into it.
>>>
>>> Even knock her over, if you can, but make sure to
>>> make her think twice about ru****ng past you again -
>>> - which is exactly what you want her to do.
>>>
>>> Don't bother with scolding her, she'll get the message.
>>>
>>> If it happens again, just REPEAT the knee action.
>>>
>>> When she steps on your toes, just pick up your foot
>>> abruptly and ****ge her with your knee. Again, no
>>> scolding is necessary here, so you don't have to
>>> worry about her "over-reacting."
>>>
>>> I don't think this is necessarily a lack of respect
>>> for you, just a lack of training. That is, she just
>>> needs *more* of it."
>>>
>>>> and taught the dog myself, several with just one jump.
>>>
>>> Ahhhh~! Might you SHARE the GOOD NEWS with us, SteveB?
>>>
>>>> I just say, "I guess he doesn't like me."
>>>
>>> Ahhhh, you got a lot in common with your
>>> fellHOWE dog lover pals here, SteveB:
>>>
>>> Here again is pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin
>>> anonymHOWES coward, not so handsome, not so
>>> gentle, not so manly, not so happy jackass, not even
>>> morrison aka dogman a.k.a. BIG DADDY, a.k.a.
>>> tommy sorenson:
>>>
>>> "My objective is always to find a way that WORKS.
>>> And if it is DANGEROUS behavior that I'm trying
>>> to modify, behavior than can get the dog KILLED,
>>> I will resort to ANYTHING to save him.
>>>
>>> A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G.
>>>
>>> Okay. Call me a cruel, inhumane, abusive bastard
>>> if you want to, but it doesn't affect me at all.
>>> When you've saved the lives of as many dogs as I
>>> have, you'll learn that that's the only thing that
>>> really matters. Saving lives and making dogs become
>>> good citizens
>>>
>>> At no time do the Monks *ever* advocate beating a
>>> dog. A swat on the rump or a check to the chin does
>>> *not* constitute a "beating."
>>>
>>> =====================
>>>
>>> From: dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Dogman)
>>> Date: 1999/01/15
>>> Subject: Re: Another mouthy lab
>>>
>>> Get this book:
>>>
>>> "The Art of Raising A Puppy," by the Monks of New Skete
>>>
>>> If you can't find it locally, you can obtain it
>>> through my Web site (see below).
>>>
>>> You'll need it for more than just the usual puppy
>>> "mouthing" problems, anyway.
>>>
>>> And good luck with your Lab puppy!
>>> --
>>>
>>> Dogman
>>>
>>> ------------------------
>>>
>>> And here's WON of his SUCCESS STORIES~!:
>>>
>>> From: osi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Michael Erskine)
>>> Date: 12 Aug 2004 10:09:05 -0700
>>>
>>> Subject: My GSD bit me.
>>> The question:
>>>
>>> I have a four year old male GSD. He growls
>>> at me sometimes. When he growls at me he
>>> stares me in the face and lays his ears back.
>>>
>>> The New Skete books say that the dog should not be
>>> allowed to do that. They suggest shaking down the
>>> dog by grabing the dog on the sides of his neck and
>>> picking him off his front feet, then giving the dog the
>>> same sort of treatment the dog would give another if
>>> it were challenging him.
>>>
>>> Namely getting in the dogs face and letting
>>> the dog know you are the alpha dog.
>>>
>>> Well, my dog bit me clearly he felt that I was not
>>> convincing enough or he bit me out of fear.
>>>
>>> Anyone got ideas on what to do with this dog that might
>>> help him to decide that he wants to follow and that he
>>> has nothing to fear from me?
>>>
>>> ----------------------
>>>
>>> From: Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:21:14 GMT
>>> Subject: Re: My GSD bit me.
>>>
>>> You need to improve your acting skills. Get a werewolf
>>> suit with blood-drenched fangs and claw gloves and THEN
>>> go after your dog.
>>>
>>> Knock the **** out of him and don't be afraid to crack
>>> some ribs. Then yank the mask off and shout "SURPRISE!
>>> IT'S ME!" I guarantee you and your dog will have a new
>>> relation****p based on mutual respect.
>>>
>>> Keep in mind that the monks of New Skete
>>> were pre-Lon-Chaney.
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>> -----------------------
>>>
>>>> Funny, at the time,
>>>
>>> Yeah?
>>>
>>> You mean LIKE THIS?:
>>>
>>> Here's a couple of tommy sorenson's aka not so handsome,
>>> not so gentle, jackass, not even morrison a.k.a. DOGMAN,
>>> the anonymHOWES COWARD's SUCCESSFUL "STUDENTS":
>>>
>>> "Feisty, Humorous, Brave, Curious And
>>> Playful. Full Of "Joie de Vivre," And DEAD.
>>>
>>> From: Laura Arlov (l...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
>>> Subject: Re: Chewie bit my husband !
>>>
>>> Date: 1999/01/20
>>>
>>> Quote laura:
>>> Well, we're doing as you say Dogman,
>>> and I'll keep you all posted.
>>>
>>> Laura in Oslo
>>>
>>> You're quite the dog enthusiast, eh laura?
>>>
>>> Quote laura:
>>> The listener,
>>>
>>> You didn't WANT to listen to The Puppy Wizard when
>>> HE told you you couldn't PUNISH and INTIMIDATE
>>> your dog or you'd make IT aggressive.
>>>
>>> Quote laura:
>>> the observer.
>>>
>>> NHOWE you got a DEAD DOG HOWETA it.
>>>
>>> Quote laura:
>>> We do work were you sometimes have to observe people
>>>
>>> Like laura, MURDERING her dog...
>>>
>>> Quote laura:
>>> and take notes.
>>>
>>> INDEEDY!
>>>
>>> Quote laura:
>>> B. has amazing powers of observation and concentration.
>>>
>>> RIGHT...
>>>
>>> Quote laura:
>>> Laura and Angel in Oslo
>>>
>>> steve walker's DEAD DOG Sampson was a shelter / rescue Golden.
>>> He begain TURNING on his daughter so he PUNISHED IT. That
>>> seemed to have CURED Sampson's FEAR of steve's daughter but
>>> TAUGHT IT to attack OTHER daddy's daughters, and GOT HIM
>>> DEAD, despite all the EXXXPERTEASE of HOWER fellHOWE
>>> dog lovers here and the BIG SHOT, john rogerson, in the UK <{}: ~ ( >
>>>
>>> LIKE THIS:
>>>
>>> Subject: < BEFORE -> "Jerry, You filthy, Unctuous,
>>> No Good Charlatan,"
>>>
>>> < AFTER -> "Thank You Jerry For Putting Up With
>>> A Constant Barrage Of Really Infantile
>>> Crap At The Hands Of Supposedly Adult
>>> Dog Lovers.
>>>
>>> 'Naive' Is Believing You Can Terrorize
>>> A Dog Into Good Behavior," Robert Crim.
>>>
>>>>Subject: Re: Fritz---a retrospective
>>>>Date: 02/05/1999
>>>>Author: Robert Crim <fritzg...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>> You filthy, unctuous, no good charlatan. If you had
>>>> any idea of what dogs and dog people were about
>>>> you would realize the depths of the absolute loathing
>>>> and contempt I hold for you right now. Were it not
>>>> for the blessed distance and anonymity that the internet
>>>> gives us from the s***my likes of you, I would probably
>>>> be in a jail cell right now for turning you into the pile
>>>> of **** you really are
>>>
>>> Hey, Howe, you really are a wacko, eh?
>>>
>>> Crim wrote this about *YOU,* you insipid piece of cow dung!
>>>
>>> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>>> --
>>> Dogman
>>> mailto:dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> http://www.i1.net/~dogman
>>>
>>> =====================
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:24:15 -0700, dogsnus
>>>
>>> <"Terri"@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Wrote:>
>>>
>>>> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
>>>> He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
>>>> watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
>>>> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
>>>> come forward and actually believe in his training manual.
>>>
>>> Robert Crim writes:
>>>
>>> I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
>>> since I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood
>>> enough of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher
>>> and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it.
>>>
>>> This naive child would like to say thank you to both
>>> Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
>>> of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
>>> adult dog lovers.
>>>
>>> The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
>>> nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
>>> earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
>>> of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
>>> given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
>>> gasped his last gasp.
>>>
>>> To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog.
>>>
>>> Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake
>>> names are more honest than people that use their real
>>> names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders
>>> and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.)
>>> are the equal or better than those that have studied and
>>> lived by their craft for decades.
>>>
>>> "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
>>> level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
>>> that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
>>> going to just go away because you people act like fools.
>>>
>>> Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I
>>> don't really care.
>>>
>>>> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and
>>>> actually admit to buying and having success with his
>>>> little black box.
>>>
>>> I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
>>> take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
>>> testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
>>> never know.
>>>
>>>> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
>>>> Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming
>>>> to him! LOL!
>>>
>>> I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
>>> Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
>>> eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.
>>>
>>>>Terri
>>>
>>> Yes it was, and that is sad.
>>>
>>> Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
>>> listen to the box first?)
>>>
>>> ============
>>>
>>> SEE?
>>>
>>> tommy sez:
>>>
>>>> Sucker.
>>>
>>> Crim wrote THAT about *YOU,* tommy, "you insipid piece of cow dung!"
>>>
>>> BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAA~!~!~!
>>>
>>> AND LIKE THIS:
>>>
>>> Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
>>> From: Steve Walker <skwal...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>> Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 01:54:57 +0100
>>>
>>> Subject: Sad news (Samson)
>>>
>>> Hello everyone, hope you remember me. I've been quiet here for ages,
>>> firstly because of a computer breakdown that took ages to remedy, and
>>> then it's been difficult to find the heart to write to the group
again.
>>>
>>> You see, on Sep 21, after much heart-searching, I took Samson
>>> back to the RSPCA to be put to sleep. He was a brilliant dog
>>> with his family, but was becoming more & more fear reactive
>>> with people, especially small children, and (apparently randomly)
>>> with other dogs, to the point where we had to muzzle him when
>>> he went out and if we had visitors (which is often), because we
>>> just couldn't trust people to remember to leave him alone, so his
>>> quality of life had become not much.
>>>
>>> We put him through a rehab programme from John Rogerson's
>>> practice - I gather he's pretty well-known, so some of you might
>>> have heard of him - which did everything they said it would
>>> (reliable recall, focused his attention much more on us, etc -
>>> except reduce his tendency to react suddenly and bite.
>>>
>>> The vet had checked him and found nothing, but I'd still
>>> have suspected a brain tumour or something if it hadn't
>>> been for the fact that he was totally reliable with the kids
>>> and us.
>>>
>>> I called the RSPCA to let them know that the rehab programme
>>> wasn't working, and they said that if we gave him back, they'd
>>> *****s him but he'd almost certainly be put down.
>>>
>>> I couldn't let him be alone among strangers for his last moments,
>>> so I asked if they'd let me take him immediately and stay with
>>> him while it was done, and they agreed.
>>>
>>> It was a sunny day, and he was happy enough on the drive to
>>> the centre, but I could barely hold myself together. He was
>>> nervous of going into the surgery and I had to coax him in,
>>> and I felt like an utter traitor.
>>>
>>> I stroked him as they prepared him, crying and telling him
>>> how sorry I was, and nearly panicked and ran out with him
>>> when they brought out the needle.
>>>
>>> But I knew if I did it would only be delaying the inevitable,
>>> and I'd be risking someone, probably a child, being injured,
>>> which I couldn't do. So I went through with it, and in a few
>>> seconds it was over and I'd killed my dog, who trusted me
>>> to look after him.
>>>
>>> I told a mailing list I'm on straight away, and they've been
>>> fantastically kind. I was in a daze for days afterwards, and
>>> still have the occasional flashback to that day, but I'm coping
>>> a lot better now, and would love to give a home to another dog,
>>> but my wife doesn't feel ready yet.
>>>
>>> Soon, though, I hope. I miss Samson terribly, but while I feel
>>> a lot of guilt for the decision I made, I know there wasn't another
>>> way out, and at least I could make sure I was with him at the end.
>>>
>>> I owed him that.
>>>
>>> I know there are some here who will gloat over this email, but all I
>>> can say is that their opinion, their existence, is irrelevant to me.
>>> For
>>> the rest of you, the good, decent majority who frequent this group, I
>>> didn't want to just disappear, and not tell you what had happened,
>>> after you gave me so much sup****t and help from the outset.
>>>
>>> Samson was my first dog, and the help I got here made life
>>> much better for him and us while we were together.
>>>
>>> If the glad day comes when we do adopt another dog,
>>> I'll let you know. I hope it's soon.
>>>
>>> God bless,
>>> --
>>> Steve Walker
>>>
>>> From: Steve Walker <skwal...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>> Date: 2000/10/09
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: Sad news (Samson) = I'm GLAD You Killed Samson,
>>> He Was A BAD GENETIC Choice. You Did The Right Thing. Turn
>>> And Don't Look Back.
>>>
>>> In article FJ6E5.62103$O95.4439...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Jerry Howe <jh...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes
>>>
>>>>Nor can I. Nor can Marilyn. She does the same kind of work I do. We
>>>>KNEW this was going to happen, based on steve's original posts here...
>>>
>>> Jerry, you're still in my killfile, but somehow this one made it
>>> through, so I'll respond before I ignore you again.
>>>
>>> You obviously have a very short memory. Samson was not trained using
>>> aggressive, confrontational or harsh methods. John Rogerson's rehab
>>> programme was based entirely on using kind methods to get Samson's
>>> attention even more fixed on us (which wouldn't have worked if they
were
>>> not kind), with the intention that Samson wouldn't even be interested
in
>>> other dogs and people, until we had such good control that we could
>>> start to introduce others under controlled cir***stances that would
>>> persuade Samson it was great to have them around.
>>>
>>> It worked, in so far as Samson became even more attached to us, had a
>>> perfect recall etc. Unfortunately, this didn't stop the fact that he
>>> might suddenly react aggressively to even the proximity of a stranger
or
>>> strange dog.
>>>
>>> No aggressive methods were used in this programme. Not one. But the
>>> problem was too deep-rooted, too instinctive, and Samson just couldn't
>>> help himself. He'd shake if a small child even entered the room, and
if
>>> they approached him he'd try to bite them. Not as a reaction to
>>> aggression, but just because he had some deep-rooted fear issue going
>>> back to before we ever had him.
>>>
>>> We could not risk that he would injure someone, especially a child,
>>> so we made the decision we did - not lightly, but with tears.
>>>
>>> You, however, are an idiot. Don't bother replying, because even if
>>> one of your posts makes it past the killfile again, you'll just be
>>> binned
>>> with the rest of the garbage.
>>>
>>> Goodbye.
>>> --
>>> Steve Walker
>>>
>>> QUOTE FROM lyingdogDUMMY:
>>>
>>>> "The only one I see acting like a fool is you, Crim, for buying into
>>>> anything Howe ever has to say, about anything, and for
>>>> not listening to me when it comes to dogs."
>>>
>>> Ever hear the expression "sit rolls down hill?"
>>>
>>> > but was becoming more & more fear reactive
>>>> with people, especially small children,
>>>
>>> That's it in a nutshell. You taught him through your own actions,
>>> HOWE to deal with other, less capable beings. Dogs copy our
>>> actions and attitudes. They mirror us. They emulate us. And
>>> when we respond to their natural, innate, instinctive, reflexive
>>> behaviors, with punishment, the dog loses confidence in our
>>> judgement and leader****p ability.
>>>
>>> Seems I recall you mentioning the children were learning to
>>> CORRECT Samson on lead, so THEY could enjoy walking
>>> with him. Didn't you mention they were learning some alpha
>>> dominance techniques as well?
>>>
>>> Can't let that big lug pull down the children now, can we?
>>>
>>> So you teach the children to violate the dog's trust with a few
>>> good corrections. And YOU back up the children with the
>>> HAMMERS OF HELL...
>>>
>>> And it worked. Didn't it, just as I told you so. Just as I told
Robert
>>> Crim. But you guys were too smart to be taken in by this con man.
>>>
>>> You listened to our fear, force, and alpha dominance control freaks,
>>> who learned ALL that they know about dog behavior from the
>>> MADMAN, MONSTER, wm koehler.
>>>
>>> So, it seems the only problem is that you didn't read the back of the
>>> book. That's what our Gang Of Thugs fails to mention, until it's too
>>> late. That's the part that says when the dog is finally provoked to
act
>>> out on his trainer or other weaker family members, that you've got to
>>> HANG the dog till his eyes roll back in ITS head, ITS tongue turns
>>> thick and blue and falls out the side of ITS mouth, and when you put
>>> IT back on the ground, IT should stagger to IT'S feet, and PUKE.
>>>
>>> That's the cure for this behavior problem, you just never asked.
>>>
>>> I expect you'll enjoy your next dog as much as you enjoyed Samson.
>>>
>>> Tell him HOWEDY for me, eh good buddy? Eh? Huh? Huh? Eh??? Eh???
>>>
>>> Yours for responsible dog handling and training,
>>> Jerry "Don't Confront The Dog" Howe.
>>>
>>> From: Dogman <dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>> Date: 2000/10/08
>>> Subject: Re: Sad news (Samson) = ninnyboy
>>>
>>> "JohnK" <jo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>> It's too late. I already know what a disgusting, vile
>>>> human being you are. You are to be ignored now.
>>>
>>> Come on, John.
>>>
>>> It didn't really take that Sampson post for you to know
>>> that Howe is a disgusting, vile human being, did it?
>>>
>>> I hope not.
>>> --
>>> Dogman
>>> mailto:dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> http://www.i1.net/~dogman
>>>
>>> SEE?
>>>
>>> AND LIKE THIS:
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: RIP Teena 1999 - 2004
>>> "Handsome Jack Morrison" <me10...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
>>> message news:p8sn1093e89a5202rdr1an5b5pgd3gdrrf@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>>> On 31 Jan 2004 17:48:39 GMT, KWBrown arfenarfSPAMBL...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Well.
>>>> She tried to take a bite out of our trainer, and that was that.
>>>> Teena the ESS made her last trip to the vet and, I hope,
>>>> sleeps more peacefully than she has in years.
>>>
>>> I'm very sorry to hear that, Kate.
>>>
>>> But going by the information you posted here about her,
>>> you had no choice.
>>>
>>> Godspeed, Teena.
>>> --
>>> Handsome Jack Morrison
>>> *gently remove the detonator to reply via e-mail
>>>
>>> Hello Dogdirtforbirdbrains,
>>>
>>> You ain't getting away with that any more. You are not going to get
>>> away with blaming genetics for the behavior problems created
>>> through abusive training methods recommended by thugs like you
>>> and Koehler, that cause dogs to turn on their owners and families,
>>> and die as a result!
>>>
>>> People are getting smart around here, and fast! You becoming well
>>> recognized for what you are. I don't need to elaborate on that
>>> anymore. Everybody knows.
>>>
>>>> What a piece of **** you are, Crim. Blaming me, or blaming
>>>> Koehler, for poor Fritz's problem, is like blaming a doctor who
>>>> couldn't save your child's life, and that's unconscionable.
>>>
>>> You told Crim that Koehler was fantastic. He bought it hook, line,
>>> and sinker, and it sank him. You must know the risk, just as I do.
>>> I've seen this sort of thing happen repeatedly for over thirty years.
>>> It will stop. I'm not going to allow you people to get away with it
>>> anymore.
>>>
>>> I will dog you, Koehler, and all of your kind right to the gates of
>>> Hell, and I'll train Appallion to keep you there forever. Guaranteed.
>>> The gates of Hell are guarded by a Wits' End trained dog.
>>>
>>>> Your dog was almost certainly predestined by his *genes* to end
>>>> up like he did, particularly since he had *you* as his thoroughly
>>>> confused, ignorant and inconsistent doofus owner.
>>>
>>> No, it was the Koehler method that killed Fritz. It was your advice
>>> that killed Fritz. It was me, not being here sooner, that killed
Fritz.
>>>
>>> Crim was a victim, just like Fritz. Crim did everything by the book,
>>> exactly as per the instructions. He followed your advice. He lost,
>>> big time. I could have predicted the outcome, the percentage of this
>>> kind of "collateral damage" is unacceptably high.
>>>
>>> Those things, I am certain of. Those things, I am determined to stop.
>>>
>>>> The only one I see acting like a fool is you, Crim, for buying into
>>>> anything Howe ever has to say, about anything, and for not
>>>> listening to me when it comes to dogs.
>>>
>>> You are mad at me, because I forced Crim to examine exactly what
>>> happened to Fritz, and he came to the correct conclusion. If I
>>> hadn't, he'd be doing the same things he'd done before, but harder,
>>> and faster, and maybe lost his next dog, faster and harder.
>>> You now blame the genes, you now blame Crim for mishandling.
>>> You said it was a good thing he destroyed his untrustworthy dog.
>>> That is the kind of response you have given many people over the
>>> years, isn't it? I know that for certain, I've been fighting you
>>> Thugs all my life. It's almost over now, people are getting wise to
>>> you, and Koehler, and Fraud Die, and the rest of the "in crowd" here.
>>>
>>> Before, it was just me fighting for proper handling and training
>>> methods. You've all ganged up on me, trying everything possible to
>>> discredit and intimidate me. That didn't work. Not one of you cretins
>>> have successfully discredited any of my methods. Keep trying, please.
>>>
>>> Now, there are several competent professional dog trainers, all with
>>> somewhat different but nonetheless acceptable, non force, methods.
>>> For the first time in my career, I've learned something from another
>>> dog trainer. We've got a good thing going now, and you and our
>>> Gang Of Thugs have to change, or go off into obscurity, in shame and
>>> contempt.
>>>
>>> You can't make up for the harm you've done, but you were an
>>> innocent victim just like Crim, and you can be forgiven, and
>>> rehabilitated, and you don't have to continue doing any more harm.
>>>
>>> The choice is up to you. It's time to do or die.
>>>
>>>> Dogman aka "Big Daddy"
>>>> dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>> ===================
>>>
>>> BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>>>
>>>> I'm usually bent over petting the tail wagging dog.
>>>
>>> Yeah? Tail waggin is a SYMPTOM of anXXXIHOWESNESS.
>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>
>>> Welcome to The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely
>>> Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child,
>>> *****, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey
>>> Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
>>> SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method
>>> Manual Forums And Human And Animal Behavior Forensic
>>> Sciences Research Laboratory.
>>>
>>> I'm Jerry Howe, The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin
>>> Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master
>>> Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey,
>>> SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard, Director Of
>>> Trainin an Research <{}'; ~ ) >
>>>
>>> I've got forty five years of EXXXPERIENCE raising
>>> and training mostly giant breed working dogs for families
>>> and security specializing in temperament and behavior
>>> problems and protection <{}: ~ ) >
>>>
>>> Here's your own FREE COPY of The Sincerely Incredibly
>>> Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master
>>> Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES,
>>> And Horsey Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
>>> INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End
>>> Training Method Manual:
>>>
http://www.freewebs.com/thesimplyamazingpuppywizard/777witsendmanual.htm
>>>
>>> The actual INSTRUCTION begins on the third page "*777*
>>> Wits' End Method", abHOWET 1/4 down the page starting
>>> with "Here's ALL the INFORMATION you NEED" and my
>>> phone # and instructions to CALL ANY TIME.
>>>
>>> There you will find ALL the FREE information you need
>>> to pupperly handle raise and train your pets and family.
>>> Just follow the instructions PRECISELY and ASK me if
>>> you need any additional FREE HEELP <{}': ~ ) >
>>>
>>> You'll likeWIZE find ETHICAL nutrition and heelth
>>> care practices taught on the heelth page *(last link
>>> on the left side) of my website.
>>>
>>> From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>> To: "The Puppy Wizard"
>>> <ThePuppyWiz...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
>>> Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
>>>
>>> I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
>>> and now must applaud your attempts to save
>>> animals from painful training procedures.
>>>
>>> You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent,
>>> who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts to
>>> alert the world to animal abuse.
>>>
>>> We are lucky to have you, and more people should
>>> come to their senses and sup****t your valuable
>>> work.
>>>
>>> Have you thought of establi****ng a nonprofit
>>> charity to fund your im****tant work?
>>>
>>> Have you thought about holding a press conference
>>> so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
>>> and significant work?
>>>
>>> In closing, my only suggestion is that you
>>> try to keep your messages short for most
>>> readers may refuse to read a long message
>>> even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
>>> I wish you well in your endeavors.
>>>
>>> --Marshall Dermer
>>>
>>> "The day may come when the rest of
>>> the animal creation
>>> may acquire those right
>>> which never could have been withholden from them
>>> but by the hand of tyranny.
>>>
>>> The question is not can they REASON,
>>> nor can they TALK,
>>> but can they SUFFER?" -
>>> - Jeremy Bentham
>>>
>>> "A Cheerful Heart Is Good Medicine, But
>>> A Crushed Spirit Dries Up The Bones,"
>>> Proverbs 17:22
>>>
>>> Disciple Paulie Sez:
>>>
>>> "No One Understands How Wits End Training
>>> Really Works; They Assume It's All Nicey Nicey
>>> And don't Realise It's A Very Disciplined Method
>>> That Deals With Any Situation And The Foundation
>>> Is Built On Trust And Understanding.
>>>
>>> I've never forced my dogs to do anything,
>>> I tell them they are good dogs and they
>>> seem to follow me, onceI told them they
>>> were bad dogs and they ran away from me,
>>> now I only ever tell them they are good dogs
>>> and they always are, always.
>>>
>>> Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and say
>>> "good dog" sincerely at the end of the request and
>>> I bet you'll find your dog thinking then responding
>>> everytime.
>>>
>>> A Bit Of Respect Works Wonders,
>>> The Same Rule Applies
>>> To Every Aspect Of
>>> The Relation****p With Your Dog.
>>>
>>> Obedience And Affection Are Not Related,
>>> if They Were Everyone Would Have
>>> Obedient Dogs.
>>>
>>> I Have Found Giving Dogs "Payment" In Advance i.e.
>>> "Sam sit goodboy" Makes The Dogs WANT TO RESPOND,
>>> After All, All Dogs Want To Be "Good Dogs" And If
>>> You Tell Them They Are Good Then They Feel An
>>> Obligation To Obey Your Request.
>>>
>>> Telling Sam He's A Good Dog AFTER He Sit's
>>> Apart From Being Too Late Is Also A Gamble
>>> Because If He Doesn't Sit Then There's No
>>> Positive Interaction.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> -------------------------
>>>
>>> ANY QUESTIONS, People?
>>>
>>> "Ye shall know the truth,
>>> and the truth shall make you mad." -
>>> ~Aldous Huxley.
>>>
>>> All Truth P***** Through Three Stages.
>>> First, It Is Ridiculed.
>>> Second, It Is Violently Opposed.
>>> Third, It Is Accepted As Being Self-Evident
>>> -Arthur Schopenhauer-
>>>
>>> "Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
>>> even tho it's a hopeless task,
>>> in this system of things.
>>> As long as man is ruling man,
>>> there will be animals (and humans!)
>>> abused and neglected. :-(
>>> Your student," Juanita.
>>>
>>> "If you've got them by the balls their
>>> hearts and minds will follow,"
>>> John Wayne.
>>>
>>> "Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens!"
>>> "Against stupidity the Gods themselves contend in vain!"
>>> -Friedrich Schiller.
>>>
>>> INDEEDY.
>>>
>>> AND THAT'S HOWE COME THEY GOT ME NHOWE!
>>>
>>> In Love And Light,
>>> I Remain Respectfully, Humbly Yours
>>> The WORLD'S CRUELEST Trainer,
>>> Jerry Howe,
>>> The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
>>> A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
>>> *M-A-J-E-S-T-I-C*
>>> *G-R-A-N-D*
>>> *M-A-S-T-E-R*
>>> Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Ferret, Goat, Monkey
>>> SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard <{) ;~ ) >
>>>
>>> HOWE MAY I SERVE YOU <{}; ~ ) >
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Jerry Howe,
>>> Director of Research,
>>> Human And Animal Behavior
>>> Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory,
>>> BIOSOUND Scientific,
>>> Director of Training,
>>> Wits' End Dog Training
>>> 1611 24th St
>>> Orlando, FL 32805
>>> Phone: 1-407-425-5092 (Call ANY TIME)
>>> http://www.freewebs.com/thesimplyamazingpuppywizard
>>>
>>> E-mail:
>>>
>>> Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
>>> @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>> Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
>>> @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>> TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>> MSN, AT&T Or AIM Messenger @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>
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>
>
> I apologize. This should have definitely been top posted, and I
recommend
> this as the poster child in favor of top posting.
>
> I don't have much to say, just wanted to repost hundreds of lines, then
> come in with a short retort.
>
> Give the ***** a knee in the chest, trying with all your might to have
her
> land on the back of that massive skull. You won't hurt her.
>
> Ah, killed two birds with one stone. In favor of knee to the chest
thing,
> and in favor of killfiling lunatics who overpost.
>
> Steve
>
> Steve
>
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