HOWEDY kwbrown you pathetic miserable stinkin rotten
lyin animal murderin child abusin punk thug coward active
acute chronic life-long incurable malignant maliciHOWES
MENTAL CASE and backyard puppy miller and field dog
trainin FRAUD an SCAM ARTIST,
"KWBrown" <arfenarf@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:b5b20e1d-42e5-4ebc-aeb8-e14604e50a6c@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sep 17, 9:21 pm, "Phyrie" <phyrie_removeth...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>Kiba doesn't deserve me... he's better than this.
Oh, heavens. You know that training dogs is also about training
humans, right? You're learning and will bump along just fine. Back
up, keep it simple, and try it again.
My mentor in field and obedience has, more than once, come over and
smacked me on the top o' the head for being a Stoopid Human. But I
learn from it, and the dogs learn from it, and we all move along as a
team, developing at our own paces. You will, too. If the goal was a
dog trained with the fewest errors in the process, I'd just hand them
over to my mentor to train and trial - but that's not why I'm in the
game, and it's not why you're there, either.
You'll be fine. Kiba will, too.
-------------------
Here's kwbrown's SUCCESS story:
HOWEDY kwbrown you pathetic miserable stinkin rotten
lyin animal murderin child abusin punk thug coward active
acute chronic life-long incurable malignant maliciHOWES
MENTAL CASE and backyard puppy miller and field dog
trainin FRAUD an SCAM ARTIST,
Subject: Re: rpdb Old Timers
"KWBrown" <arfenarf@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:91aa6566-7b8a-4d78-942d-411e0dc2f480@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aug 12, 9:44 am, dian...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
((null)) wrote:
>> Oh yeah, Kate's a real old-timer -
INDEEDY~! We'll find kate's own POSTED CASE HISTORY
of JERKIN CHOKIN SHOCKIN INTIMIDATIN an MURDERIN
innocent defenseless dumb critters an LYIN abHOWET IT in The
Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic
Grand Master Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey,
SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End
Training Method Manual Forums And Human And Animal Behavior Forensic
Sciences Research Laboratory ARCHIVES on Google and
other fine UN MODERATED FREE PUBIC news group archive
search engines <{}'; ~ ) >
HOWEver, LYIN AIN'T NO PROBLEMO here on r.p.d.b.
IN FACT, it's ENCOURAGED by the MENTAL CASES
who post their LIES IDIOCY INSANITY and ABUSE here.
THAT'S HOWE COME The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin
Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy,
Child, *****, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES,
And Horsey Wizard has IDENTIFIED EXXXPOSED an
DISCREDITED the LYIN ANIMAL MURDERIN MENTAL
CASES in a effort to make "rpdb" into R.P.D.B., i.e., rpdb
SANS MENTAL PATIENTS HURTIN INTIMIDATIN an
MURDERIN innocent defenseless dumb critters an LYIN
abHOWET IT.
SEE?
>> has been around 5 years or more.
No, actually kate has been GONE from The Sincerely Incredibly
Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy,
Child, *****, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And
Horsey Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method
Manual Forums And Human And Animal Behavior Forensic
Sciences Research Laboratory for five years, since she brutally
MURDERED her DEAD BROOD ***** Teena for attackin
her when she GROOMED an TRAINED IT an then finally,
attackin her imbecile "trainer" <{}: ~ ( >
kate follHOWED the BEAST advice from sindy SADIST
mooreon of k9web.CON, Master Of Deception blankman
of dogplay.CON, janet boss, and tommy sorenson, the
anonymHOWES dog abusin coward handsome gentleman
jackass morrison a.k.a. DOGMAN <{}: ~ ( >
>> And she has a GREAT sense of humor.
Oh, INDEEDY~!
IN FACT, kwbrown set her INFORMATIVE posts to EXXXPIRE
in six days so's there wouldn't be no doGdameneD RECORD of her
LIES INSANITY and ABUSE, like HOWE matty a.k.a. Rocky,
diddler, marquis de "READ KOEHLER FOR CONTENT" shaw,
professora melanie chang, elegy, montana and a few other DOG
LOVERS have done for the SAME reasons <{}: ~ ( >
HOWE COME would kwbrown set her INFORMATIVE
posts to EXXXPIRE in six days? Is she EMBARRASSED
by her own words, the lyin animal murderin punk thug coward
mental case fraud an SCAM ARTIST, like diddler, montana,
professora melanie chang, cindy title moore of k9web.com, matty
a.k.a. Rocky and not so happy, not so handsome, not so gentle
jackass, not even jack morrison, a.k.a. BIG DADDY a.k.a.
DOGMAN a.k.a. tommy sorenson of sorenson's Retriever PUPPY
MILL and SHOCK COLLAR SALES??
Are they EMBARRASSED by their own words, these
lyin animal murderin punk thug coward mental cases
frauds an SCAM ARTISTS?
matty aka Rocky EXXXPLAINS HOWE COME:
"Rocky" <2d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
For reasons I'll only explain privately, I've gone no
archive, and it's a shame. Once in a while, while
looking for something else, I'll run into an old post
of mine. What an idiotic response! Whoops.
BWEEEAAAHAHAAAHAAHAAA!~!~!
>> Paul's just lucky that she hasn't turned her talents to
>> humiliating him (though I've come to the conclusion
>> that that's a fish-in-the-barrel challenge anyway).
You mean 'anyHOWE' <{}': ~ ) >
Yeah. paulie is a CHUMP, a VICTIM of parental abuse, like
the rest of you lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active
acute chronic life-long incurable malignant maliciHOWES
MENTAL CASES.
Here's a reply to kwbrown's original thread detailin kwbrown
heelpfully MURDERIN her DEAD field dog / brood *****, Teena:
From: Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 05:48:25 GMT
Subject: Re: RIP Teena 1999 - 200
On 1 Feb 2004 19:46:16 GMT, Rocky <2d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Charlie Wilkes said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>> After reading about the way this lady handled this
>> particular problem, I think she should stick with goldfish
>> and leave warm-blooded animals alone.
> Wow. May you never have a difficult or unhealthy dog, Charlie.
Don't get me wrong, Matt. I'm not a sentimental slob. Dogs get
killed by the thousands every day; one more or less makes no
difference to me. I know and get along fine with people who have
euthenized dogs for no better reason that moving to an apartment.
It's not my problem or my business.
Your pal Kate, however, do***ented her mishandling of the dog
in this group, and it seems to me that feedback and commentary
is pretty ****en reasonable under those cir***stance, eh?
The problem is that most of you seem to agree with her philosophy
and way of doing things, and that's why I constantly read about dog
PROBLEMS amongst the regulars in this group.
And, when the pissed-off, confrontational method of dog-handling
delivers a bad result, Janet Boss has the answer -- it's the dog's
fault. The dog made the "wrong choice."
I happen to think that is a self-serving, bull**** excuse for
problems caused by human mishandling of dumb animals.
But here is a suggestion, Matt -- a way to clear some of this up.
Why don't you see if you can leverage your friend****p with Melanie
to consult Dr. Karen Overall, and re****t back here??? I wish someone
like Overall would post in this group, because maybe some of you
would take her seriously and avoid a lot of future problems.
Charlie
--------------------------
Of curse, dra. karen overall is a dog abusin FRAUD like professora
melanie and the rest of the r.p.d.b. Gang Of Pathetic Miserable Stinkin
Rotten Lyin dog murderin cowards; HOWEver, THEY'RE DOIN
sumpthin abHOWET it... they're SEARCHIN for the GENETIC LINK
to FEAR and AGGRESSION <{}: ~ ( >
*AN GUESS WHAAAT*?? -- THEY'VE FHOWEND IT~!:
"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know
Jack Wouldn't Have Done It If He Thought Solo
Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," Melanie
Lee Chang *mchang@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Canine Behavioral Genetics Project
University of California, San Francisco
http://psych.ucsf.edu/K9BehavioralGenetics/
professora melanie Worked With Solo Under The
CONSTANT And Careful Instruction And Anti-
Psychotic Medications Of dra. karen overall of
The UofPA Department Of Psychiatry And Small
Animal Behavior Clinic, UNSUCCESSFULLY
For FIVE YEARS.
Solo REMAINS Man Shy / Fear Aggressive,
HYPERACTIVE, And Afraid Of Thunder.
You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN
SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer
is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?
"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is
A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth, author:
"CourteHOWES Canine."
"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?
When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time,
spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk
away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just
ignore him and continue your normal behavior."
--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"CourteHOWES Canines"
THAT'S CRUEL AND INSANE BEHAVIOR, mikey <{}: ~ ( >
AIN'T IT.
LIKE THIS:
"Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a
helper wield the stick, or do it yourself.
Tougher, less tractable dogs may require
you to progress to striking them more
sharply," lying frosty dahl, ethical breeder,
expert trainer, discoverer of cannibalism
in Labradors.
You think a EXXXPERT trainer got to BEAT
a HUNTIN dog to MAKE IT HUNT?
"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.
Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies
HURT all their lives like HOWE HOWER dog
lovers PREFER to HURT THEIR DOGS?
"John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and
gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the
rump with a training stick while holding him partially
off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back
to the line and cast him back to the dummies."
The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her babies
to SAVE THEM from a fate like that, is COMMENDABLE
"Try pinching the ear between the metal
casing and the collar, even the buckle on
the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will
give in but will squeal, thrash around, and
direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch"
"This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome
You can press the dog's ear with a
shotshell instead of your thumb even
get a studded collar and pinch the ear
against that Make the dog's need to stop
the pinching so urgent that resisting your
will fades in im****tance.
CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever
Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try
using the stick and no ear pinch.
When the dog is digging out to beat the
stick and seems totally reliable without
any ear pinch, you are finished
If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly
under the chin, say "No! Hold!"
(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps
because the ear is getting tender, or the
dog has decided it isn't worth it)" lying
frosty dahl.
SEE?
>> (Hi Kate! Long time no see!)
NO PROBLEMO, fellHOWE dog lovers~!
NEITHER of you pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin
animal murderin backyard puppy millers AND your punk
thug coward mental case pals will be postin to my forums
much longer <{}: ~ ) >
TRUST ME on that -- I've got ALL your own
POSTED CASE HISTORIES with which to
IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE an DISCREDIT you <{}'; ~ ) >
> (Waves) I think it's been going on a decade, b'lieve it or not.
No, it's been goin on five years of the past ten. Had enough yet, kw?
> I surfaced first over at rpd.breeds, trying to decide between a
> Standard Poodle and a Berner. Heh.
Heh, heh <{}: ~ ) >
Perhaps you should ask diannes for advice on SELLIN
PUPPYS to strangers on the 'net if you're still interested
in backyard puppy millin?
> Storm the Flatcoat died of osteosarcoma at 6 in December -
Naaaah? Hey kw? Ain't osteosarcoma a STRESS INDUCED AUTO-
IMMUNE DIS-EASE a.k.a. The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{}:~ ( >
> she left the earth with a SH and a HR that nobody ever thought
> she could pull off, and Hamish is a three-year old JH who is
> mostly holding down the couch.
You mean YOU CAN'T TRAIN him <{}: ~ ( >
> Life is crazy
No, it's CRIMINALLY INSANE, kw <{}: ~ ( >
> and I'm not trialing actively right now -
Naaah? Whasa matta? Sick of MURDERIN your dogs, kw?
> but the hunt test training foundation pays off in everyday
> life over and over again and gives me plenty of tools to
> keep Mr Doofus Brain engaged and entertained.
That so? Hey kw? PERHAPS it's your "hunt test trainin
foundation" that CAUSED your DEAD DOG Teena to
ATTACK you and your ignorameHOWES trainer and
caused Hamish to be FEAR AGGRESSIVE???
> I don't know whether he'll ever be the running companion
> Storm was: he is a clumsy oaf in social dog situations
You mean YOU CAN'T CON-TROLL him arHOWEND dogs.
> and it takes work to refocus him on his job if we go near any dog.
No it don't, kwbrown. All you gotta do is "DO EVERY THING
EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE you PREFER".
> Storm would just give any interloper a cool look and proceed.
You mean she was more afraid of *you* HURTIN her than the other dog.
> He loses his little mind in the company of an intact male *or* female.
That's curiHOWES. Opposite *** aggression is THE MOST
UN-NATURAL behavior for a PACK CRITTER. Wouldn't
you agree, kwbrown??
> I would have my work cut out for me if I were to get him
> steady on the honour during exciting hunt test situations.
That's curiHOWES, kwbrown; in a high state of alert the
dog should LEARN an RETAIN information NEARLY
INSTANTLY.
HOWE COME YOURS DON'T??
> Dunno if I'll get another FCR: losing Storm when
> she had just come together was *dreadful.*
Havin "had just come together" at SIX YEARS OF AGE
is testament to your TRAININ METHODS, kwbrown.
CuriHOWES, ain't it, HOWE a SELECTIVELY BRED, HAND
PICKED from generatiHOWENDS of generatiHOWENDS of
SELECTIVELY BRED HAND PICKED FIELD TESTED breed
stock, takes SIX YEARS to LEARN TO HUNT <{}: ~ ( >
AIN'T IT, kwbrown <{}: ~ ( >
> It is rather nice to have only one (relatively) mature dog around here.
That's ABSURD, kwbrown. Dogs MATURE at 18 months to
two years of age. HOWE COME your three year old dog is
STILL only "relatively" MATURE?
MIGHT THAT BE on accHOWENTA your REPRESSIVE trainin methods?
> The baby gates are down and he knows his job.
EXXXCEPT till he gets arHOWEND a other dog. Or a field trial.
> I hang out in here from time to time and am a little
> sad at the extent to which rpdb has devolved,
"rpdb" is DEAD, kwbrown. You an diannes are two of the biggest
lyin animal murderin punk thug coward mental case FRAUDS
we got left here postin your lies idiocy insanity and abuse.
Where do you suppHOWES all your other PROFESSIONAL
DOG TRAININ pals have gone, kwbrown?? I'll tell you: THEY
DON'T POST THEIR LIES IDIOCY INSANITY and ABUSE
to my forums nodoGdameneD more.
REMEMBER NHOWE?
Even your pal DOGMAN is DEAD here, kwbrown.
JUST ASK HIM <{}: ~ ) >
tommy wrote:
From: dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Dogman) Date: 1997/11/11
Subject: Re: Koehler's Usefulness--A Concluding *****sment
This, from a yellow-bellied coward who has TOTALLY refused
to engage me in debate, preferring mudslinging, hyperbole, distortion,
lies, exaggeration, and to take Koehler completely out of context,
instead.
What lying hypocrites these hand-wringers are!
The most consistent argument among Koehler's defenders is based
on a questionable assumption that such "drastic" measures are
effective in "extreme" cases where other methods fail.
------------------------
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
SEE?
> but I admit that I'm doing nothing to add much
> in the way of original content these days.
As well you should, kwbrown, on accHOWENTA EVERY
TIME you post your LIES IDIOCY INSANITY and ABUSE
here I'll follHOWE it up with YOUR OWN POSTED CASE
HISTORY of LIES IDIOCY INSANITY ABUSE an MURDER.
SEE?
> I have considered hanging whatsisears out to dry many times,
You mean paulie? NO PROBLEMO.
His own POSTED CASE HISTORY has IDENTIFIED
EXXXPOSED an DISCREDITED hisself JUST LIKE
HOWE your own have done you pathetic miserable stinkin
rotten lyin animal murderin backyard puppy millin professional
dog abusin mental cases <{}: ~ ) >
SEE?
> but he enjoys the attention too much.
Well then, perhaps you don't know HOWE to use WON'S OWN
POSTED CASE HISTORY to IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE DISCREDIT
and EMBARRASS THEM TO DEATH, kwbrown?
> Kate
Leave the heavy work to the PROFESSIONALS, kw. THAT'S
HOWE COME we got The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely
Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, *****,
Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method Manual Forums And
Human And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory
ARCHIVES <{}: ~ ) >
R.I.P. rpdb old timers <{}:* ~ ( >
WELCOME NEW READERS to R.P.D.B. - Don't let the
MENTAL CASES scare you away from postin <{}': ~ ) >
Subject: Re: Puppy Training
HOWEDY myangel,
I'm posting my reply to janet directly to you so's there'll
be NO WAY, NO HOWE, that you misunderstand what's
goin DHOWEN here abHOWETS <{}: ~ ) >
What's goin DHOWEN is that ONLY liars dog
abusers cowards and MENTAL CASES post here
as YOU'LL SEE:
"myangel" <none@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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Re: PUPPY TRAINING
"Janet Boss" <janet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:janet-3421FE.13304307072008@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
article <470398_83d3c9f64d8e62910ff9fd924e496e6f@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
myangel <none@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > I have a chihuahua puppy. I have had her a week. she is
> > now 9 weks old and i am trying to pad train her. but she
> > will not go. can you tell me what to do. she wants to pee
> > on my carpet.
Pryor to believing ANY THING janet has to tell you abHOWET
dogs it'd be WIZE for you to UNDERSTAND that janet is a
pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin punk thug
coward active acute chronic life-long incurable malignant malici-
HOWES MENTAL CASE who's been on anti-psychotic medications
for TWENTY YEARS and PREFERS to jerk choke shock bribe crate intimidate
and
surgically ***ually mutilate and MURDER innocent defenseless dumb critters
an LIE abHOWET IT.
LIKE THIS:
"Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
stern correction" --Janet Boss
http://tinyurl.com/5m6ppt
"J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
On 6 Feb 2006 17:41:08 GMT, Mary Healey
<mhhea...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
clicked their heels and said:
> Does that include tone of voice?
> Some tools are easier to ban than others.
yes - screaming banshees are told to shut up! And I
always have to remind spouses that they may NOT do the
"honey - you're supposed to be doing it like THIS"......
--
Janet B
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
"J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:20040324071828.07753.00000001@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
He was next to me and I could see his neck
muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
Janet Boss
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:20040323173916.10096.00001938@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > I can't imagine needing anything higher than a 5
> > > with it, even with an insensitive dog like a Lab.
An INSENSITIVE DOG???
> > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> > I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.
Do you think the citronella collar is CRUEL
cause the SMELL LINGERS after the dog's
been sprayed in the face and the dog won't
know HOWE COME IT was MACED?
janet CONtinues:
> > My dogs are not human children wearing fur- they are
> > DOGS. I don't have anything against electronic bark
> > collars, but they should be used in conjunction with
> > actually working at training your dog(s).
They're DUMB ANIMALS these MENTALLY ILL LYING
DOG ABUSERS HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER.
-------------------
LIKE THIS:
Here's janet boss and her REAL LIFE IN PERSON
"students" paul and his RESCUE dog Muttley whom
she wanted to MURDER:
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
down (his appointment is next Wednesday),
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
Hello everyone:
If you have followed some of my posts, you know
something about the ongoing story of Muttley, the
large GSD/Chow dog I have been trying to adopt
or place in a better home.
I will add a bit more history later in this post.
Last Tuesday, toward the end of Janet's obedience
class, Muttley and I had just finished fairly successfully
performing a sit/stay/come routine, and then he was
sitting by my side.
The final routine was to be a "down", which Muttley
has had some difficulty with, and frankly I have not
had the time to work with him much on that.
I was kneeling at his side, trying to hold his collar
while pu****ng his front legs down to the position,
while he resisted. Suddenly he lunged, knocking
me over onto the parking lot, and I lost grip of the
leash as I reflexively broke my fall.
Muttley took the op****tunity to attack a young black
male Lab to my left, and it was a very brutal attack.
Janet and the instructors tried to gain control, and as
soon as I could get to my feet I grabbed the leash and
pulled him off.
That was the end of the class, and the other dog,
Bernie, was taken to an animal hospital for treatment.
When everyone had left, Janet counseled me about
what should be done about Muttley.
She said this was more than ordinary aggression,
and only intensive (and expensive) one on one
training would have any chance at working, and
in any case, he was not suited to group training.
She advised me that Muttley could be dangerous,
and she recommended that he be euthanized.
"They can't all be saved".
<snip>
--------------
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
<snip>
If I did not have to worry about my cat, I would
probably keep him, and I am certain I could avoid
any more dangerous episodes. I probably would
not have taken him to obedience cl***** at this time
if that was not such a difficult issue, and if people
here had not essentially shamed me into doing so.
Then he would only be a bratty dog with a mind of
his own, but he would not have been identified as
dangerous.
--------------------------
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
Here's janet's REAL LIFE IN PERSON "student" paul:
#2 - 6/05/07
>> When I was training him under Janet's supervision I
>> was instructed to give it a ? firm yank as a correction.
> I advised you to use a prong collar, not give firm yanks
> on a chain choke collar. I hate the things.
>> She was able to get his attention with just a quick tug, but I
>> had to yank on it hard enough to lift him off his feet to get him
>> to respond.
>
>> Looking back now, I think it was based on his fear, which he
>> had for her (as an unknown), but not for me (whom he had
>> learned to trust).
> He wasn't afraid of me. He knew I was a confident trainer.
> Fear has no place in dog training, as I told you THEN.
> Janet.
It seems to me that applying stern corrections, by
popping a choker chain, prong collar, or whatever,
is a way to ensure compliance by instilling a fear
of further punishment.
Sure, if it is administered very consistently
by a confident trainer, the dog soon learns
to obey. There was no positive reinforcement,
so what remains is negative.
Also, I recall the time you were going to show me
how I could get Muttley to take his rawhide treat
from me without lunging for it. When you offered
it to him, he refused to take it. This IMHO is likely
a fear behavior.
Things have changed a lot since then, and I have
learned a lot, and Muttley has settled down quite
a bit. I probably still give him too much freedom
to think on his own, but that's just my way of
doing things, and that's probably not going to
change much. He may never win an obedience
medal, but I don't think he is dangerously out
of control, either.
Paul and Muttley
"I thought I was told that the way to get the dog to go
down was to make him sit and then step on the leash.
That was awkward and didn't seem to work.
I will confess that I only tried the "down" position
once or twice at home, and I also often used it
instead of "Off" when I wanted him to stop
jumping on me or elsewhere I didn't want him to be.
I had to give him corrections every few seconds,
and also just about kick him, to keep him at my
left side.
Muttley is really a very sweet and loving dog, but
he needs more socialization with other dogs. However,
it is very likely that I will have him put down in a week."
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
down (his appointment is next Wednesday),
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THAT'S quite a SUCCESS STORY, ain't it <{}: ~ ( >
HERE'S HOWE COME:
Subject: Re: redirected aggression
Date: 4/11/07
"Janet Boss" <ja...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:janet-730AB8.17321511042007@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
seems I have been dealing with this a bit lately.
Dog to dog and dog to person,, with dogs who are
obviously overstimulated by what's in front of them.
What's in front of them varies from people at the door
to dogs in their path or directly in their face. The dogs
in question all have very poor self control.
I have dog(s) with not-so-great-natural self control,
so it's something we constantly work on. We don't
have redirected stuff going on, because we have enough
obedience to avoid it.
While I know that's the big answer for the dogs in
question as well, I'm curious what things people have
found useful to redirect/focus/gain attention from
drivey dogs or just very distracted of over-the-top dogs.
We're having success with my recommendations, but I'm
always open to something novel that may be the hot ticket.
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
SEE?
> Why not crate train and take her outdoors?
On accHOWENTA there AIN'T NO TRAININ gonna
happen locked in a box. Locking dogs in boxes and
ignoring their cries makes them GO INSANE and
become DEATHLY ILL <{}:~ ( >
LIKE THIS:
From: Janet B <ja...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 15:23:53 -0400
Subject: urinary leaking
Rudy has a vet appointment tomorrow afternoon,
but I thought I'd throw this out here anyway.
Rudy has excitement urination sometimes - if I spend too long before
coming into the house, he may flood his crate. This is generally only
if I've been gone over 4 hours. He does not have water in his crate.
Rudy sleeps through the night (10-6 or 7) and never has an issue
with leaking then. He is housebroken and waits until I let him out.
A few times over the last month, after I've been gone a bit over
5 hours, I've come home, let him out where he pees up a storm,
then he is fed, out again, maybe multiple times (for play, etc)
and eliminates normally. Then he naps. When he's sleeping,
he leaks.
Baseball-Softball sized puddle generally. Yesterday, I as home
with him all day, gone for <2 hours in the early evening, and late
in the evening, right before bed, he leaked again while sleeping.
This doesn't strike me as an infection or even a sphincter issue,
but it has me puzzled. He has no idea he's doing it and it doesn't
wake him.
Any thoughts?
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
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From: J1Boss (j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: housebreaking in a multi level home
Date: 2002-06-27 03:30:11 PST
> From: Rocky
> Nessa wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>> why does Franklin have to be on a leash?
>
> I think that Franklin's been naughty.
>
>--
>--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
and apparently pretty sneaky too -
can't figure this one out still!
FYI - He ingested a mystery sock.
Hadn't done that in well over a year.
When he was a puppy we were very lucky -
they went through or came up. We've done
"sock work" with him leaving them alone,
but mostly are pretty conscientious about
not making them available.
The risk is obviously too high. One of his
littermates beat him to the punch with the
same surgery, and his great grandfather had
this habit until he died at age 12.
My MIL was visiting (sockless!) and since he
wasn't with me every waking moment as usual
as a result, I can only imagine that the sock
presented itself somehow while she was with him.
He was a very, very sick dog. He had emergency
surgery on Monday, but was home by Tuesday - we
lucked out that the sock had advanced enough that
they didn't need to cut the bowel.
Once he was opened, they were able to manipulate
the sock out his rectum. He thinks he's fine, so
the leash is very necessary! He's got about a foot
of staples on his tummy, and this was a very
expensive sock!
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
--------------------------------
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAA~!~!~!
FRANKLIN and JANET, ACT II
From: J1Boss (j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: What can I do if I can't afford a behaviorist?
Date: 2002-06-27 05:20:30 PST
> From: diddy d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Some dogs are really adept at getting
> out of things, even the impossible.
Yes indeed. I crated Franklin when I had to
leave yesterday. He's post surgical and needs
to be confined and rest/kept safe.
He is used to crates, has not problem with
them and does not "escape" (mesh crates, wire
crates, etc - he takes them all in stride,
whether strange places or at home).
When I got home, both dogs greeted me at the
door. He had managed to bend the clips on the
end panel of his metal crate (General Cage 204)
and squeeze out the top/side of the end panel
that has the door. The door was securely closed.
THAT was NOT a good thing to do with a foot of
staples in your tummy. He hadn't done it before -
but he's not his usual self obviously.
We won't be trying that again any time soon!
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
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Subject: The crate escape - my brilliant puppy!
1 From: Janet B
Date: Wed, Apr 5 2006 7:44 am
Email: Janet B j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Rudy came to stay with us, I got tired of running
into an open crate door, so I bought a new crate, with a
door that folds up and in. "can't be opened from the inside"
says the ad. I always looked at these and hought "right",
but for the last few months (yes, folks, it's been 3.5 months)
it has worked great.
Until Monday.
That's when Mr Smarty-pants decided he knew how
to open it. And greeted us at the door after 6+ hours
of freedom.
A chewed wastebasket lid and a puddle inside the
front door (he loses it if very excited and yesterday
morning I found evidence that a smallish dog had
apparently "visited" right outside my full view front
door) was all that was wrong.
So yesterday, when I left for a short errand, I made
sure to clip the door closed securely. And once again
came home to an unconfined puppy.
So, today, the crate will get clips on the door to ensure
this doesn't happen again. I need him to learn that he
shouldn't let himself out.
But it looks like he's going to be allowed house freedom
within a few days, and since he'll be 9 months old on
Monday, that'll be the day.
I'll take the next few days to put some shoes away and
check out other things he may be interested in, and get
out the bitter apple.
My house is not exactly the neatest place in the world,
and there's a lot of stuff that may be too available and
interesting. We shall see.
My puppy is growing up and too smart for his own good!
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
"Janet Boss" <ja...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:janet-C794AF.18352811032008@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> In article <13tdvmj9calq...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, "BethI****"
> <bethi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> Thats just so freaking annoying. Its past morning.
>> I must know whats going on.
> Sorry - I had to leave the house at 12:30 and just got home at 6.
> Good news is that he doesn't have diabetes. Bad news
> is it's pointing to congenital kidney defect.
> We're doing a repeat of the BUN and Creatinine test on Thursday,
> this time with a 10-12 hour fast. We're also going to do a specific
> gravity on first thing of the morning urine, to see if he's
concentrating
> the urine overnight when he's not drinking water. I have notes, but
> basically the blood work showed the BUN and Creatinine as just over
> high normal, and the urine was high on something -
> I have to look and remember what.
> The step after that is an ultrasound to see what
> we're dealing with, kidney wise.
> The really F***ing bad news is that if this is what it is, there's not a
> damn thing that can be done except take it one day at a time and now
> that we'll face renal failure at some point. The fact that he's having
> this problem at only 2 is not a particularly promising sign.
> F***ING PUPPYMILLS!
> I'll post whenever I know more and have any more meaningful results.
> Thanks to all for the concern and thoughts. --
> Janet Boss www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
Google Results: 2,660,000 for KIDNEY "RENAL
FAILURE" OR "KIDNEY DISEASE" STRESS
Results: 288,000 for KIDNEY "RENAL FAILURE"
OR "KIDNEY DISEASE" EMOTIONAL STRESS
Results: 249,000 for "oxidative stress" KIDNEY OR
RENAL OR CONGENITAL "AUTOIMMUNE"
"I do use a variety of collars when training dogs. I'm
not a big fan of CHAIN chokes, because I don't find
them easy to fit properly. I prefer nylon slip collars in
general, will never connect a leash to a buckle ID collar,
and find prong collars to be very, very useful training tools.
Rudy is going to start learning the e-collar this week.
I'm sure you'll NOT hear screams from across the pond.
--
Janet B
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
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From: lucyaa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sun, Dec 4 2005 3:26 am
Email: lucyaa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
B wrote:
> On 1 Dec 2005 10:55:42 -0800, "sighthounds & siberians"
> <greyho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, clicked their heels and said:
>
> > Oh, please. You're asking Lucy to understand that a behavior
> > can be genetic in a dog, which IMO is asking a great deal.
Yeah, what do I know about genetically determined behavior? At
some point in the evolution of Franklin's breed a mutation occurred
that determined a propensity for sock-swallowing; and, considering
the fact that this acquired behavior conferred such an evolutionary
advantage to the breed, natural selection favored it all the time until
it was passed on to Franklin's parents and grandparents, and hopefully
to Franklin's offspring, so that such a valuable trait wouldn't, God
forbid, be lost due to some other random mutation quirk. Nice how
genetics work, in Sally's world!
> >It's ironic that Lucy (whose tone from the get-go is much more
> >sarcastic and confrontational than would seem warranted) should
> >reappear just now, isn't it?
"Ironic?" About as ironic as any random event, and
as probable as a dog being born with a taste for socks.
> > Mustang Sally
> oh I know, and I fed the troll.
Thank you, thank you, thank you, good-hearted Janet!
I was STARVING!
But - can you tell me what exactly is it that makes me
a troll, when posting on topic on a dog behavior matter?
> Even they need treats once in awhile, no? OK - maybe not!
> The holiday spirit must have gotten the better of me.
Yes, Janet, you're way too good. Don't let it become a habit, though
-
you might find it difficult next time when having
to use your pretty choke collar on a dog.
Lucy
-------------------------
> If you want to litter or pad train her instead, the principal
> is the same - confine when you can't watch her, leash her
> to you or gate/shut her in the same room with you and
> watch her like a hawk,
That will REWARD the dog and REINFORCE HOWEsbreakin problems.
> set a feeding and outing schedule that fulfills her needs,
Death Producing Ulcers:
"Emotional Influences On Health & Behavior"
"Is There A SCIENCE Of BEHAVIOR",
Dr. George Von Hilsheimer
Emotional Influences On Behavior
Illness is directly related to depression and lack of
adjustment, particularly to a new environment (Parens,
McConville & Kaplan, 1966).
A WIDE RANGE of PSYCHOSOMATIC or
CORTICOVISCERAL DIS-EASES was surveyed
by Wittkower (1965) to demonstrate the enormous
im****tance of emotional factors in general health.
Interview findings of emotional material (recently
experienced hopelessness) pryor to biological
examinations correctly identified 11 out of 19 with
cervical cancer, and 25 of 32 who were cancer free
even though psychological tests failed to discriminate
these groups (Schmale & Iker, 1966)
150 lung cancer patients showed significantly
constricted expression of emotions. The had fewer
childhood behavior problems, and lower neuroticism
score than their cancer free controls. Heavy cigarette
smokers who DO NOT INHALE are more apt to have
LUNG CANCER.
They, too, show LOWER neuroticism scores.
Among heavy cigarette smokers poor emotional
expression is as highly related to cancer as urban
residence and is more im****tant than a chronic cough
or an air polluted environment (Kissen, 1966).
A ten year observation of all the women who developed
cancer in an isolated pupulation of 2,550 showed that
they tended to be unstable or sub stable personalities
characterized by melancholy and extraversion,
especially marked with those of an undecided body
build (Hagll, 1966). Personality dynamics effect both
the development of cancer and it's SITE. Cancer
may result from what appears to be a failure to grow--
somatically, behaviorally and psychologically
(Grinker, 1966).
In 109 cases leukemia and lymphoma were associated
with a number of losses or separations and with
feelings of sadness, anxiety, anger or hopelessness.
The PRIMARY FACTOR seems to be the shame and
hopelessness of running out of psychological resources
(Green, 1966). Cervical cancer patients are less
emotionally responsive, more isolative, and less
frequently diagnosed as having clinical neuroses than
cancer free patients. There is NO CLEAR DIFFERENCE in
their FEELINGS and ATTITUDES toward coitus (Rotkin,
Qunk, & Couchman, 1965).
Schmidt (1966) surveyed nearly 100 studies of
behaviorally induced DIS-EASE in animals CONFIRMING
and EXTENDING the DATA on PEOPLE. Behaviorally
induced DIS-EASES tend to fall into two groups;
(1) Hysteriform problems, which INCLUDE HYSTERICAL
SEIZURES and FORMS of AGGRESSION as well as
collective panic and epilepsies;
(2) organic modifications, including functional difficulties
and lesions affecting gastro intestinal, cardio vascular,
respiratory, ***ual, endocrine, skin, urinary, and neuro
muscular systems.
It is INTERESTING, and SLIGHTLY HORRIFYING,
to note that the ONLY SCIENTIFIC RELEVANCE of
the standard six hour school day that I have been able
to detect in research is that Sawrey and Weisz quite
by accident found that six hours on and six hour off of
"EXECUTIVE BEHAVIOR" in monkeys was the
ONLY TIME STRUCTURE that INDUCED DEATH
PRODUCING ULCERS.
> take her to the appropriate spot and use a word or phrase that
> asks her to "go" - the easiest way to start that is to use it first
> thing in the morning/first thing out of the crate, when you
> KNOW she needs to "go", praise her for going in the right
> place and correct yourself for letting her out of your sight
> if she eliminates elsewhere.
> Patience, scheduling, supervision, appropriate
> confinement = housetrained puppy.
That so?
Here's a other of janet's REAL LIFE IN PERSON
"students" FOR THREE YEARS:
Subject: First Class was tonite
1 From: Nessa
Date: Tues, Jun 11 2002 8:32 pm
Email: Nessa <use...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Tonite I started Janet's obedience class. It's
like NIGHT and DAY from the class Bagel 'flunked'.
I was amazed at the difference and I am very glad
Janet gave me the chance to attend her class.
I can't wait till PK on Saturday.
Nessa
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Subject: Training...
1 From: Nessa
Date: Wed, Jun 12 2002 9:45 pm
Email: Nessa <use...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
well both my kids are asleep one on my left and
one on my right. Bagel has taken to running away
every chance he gets now so I have to be ever vigilant.
I have tried every type of collar around. Flat Buckle,
nylon lobster claw slip collar, harness, gentle leader.
Yesterday I watched him on a prong collar.
I SWORE I would NEVER use a prong collar.
He willingly sits to have it put on (as opposed
to fighting me when I put on the gentle leader).
He is no longer pulling on the leash when we walk.
Currently he is doing his 30 minute quiet period
next to my chair with it on since he is leashed and
he is out like a light. So is Hannah.
I tried to find them a place to play off leash tonight
since Bagel has become a happy wanderer and I
couldn't find a safe place so they didn't get as much
play as any of us would like.
I am doing my training with Janet and I am so happy.
Bagel did his sit downs tonight without much fuss and
Hannah watched from the crate. Then we let Hannah
do about 5 minutes of sit and down.
She's getting good at them.
I have been rewarding with treats and tonite I didn't
and they still did what I told them to do. with Bagel
on my left with his head facing front and Hannah on
my right with her head facing back I feel like I have
the most beautiful bookends in the world.
Life with a dog..... PRICELESS
Nessa
--
I don't have issues
I have subscriptions
www.nessa.info
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From: Nessa
Date: Thurs, Jul 4 2002 8:22 am
Email: Nessa <use...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 0:08:02 -0400, Jenn wrote
(in message <CSPU8.117216$Lf2.8604...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>):
> That aside, I crate trained both my dogs
> successfully, and used the crate to house
> train them.
Bagel is so well crate trained that in the mornings when
I make his Kong, he runs to the crate and since I am not
crating him anymore (just confining him) but I am crating
Hannah, I have to pull him out of the crate and he does not
want to get out.
BTW housebreaking with Janet is going quite well.
Nessa
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Subject: I went away for the weekend... big mistake
1 From: Nessa -
Date: Sun, Jul 21 2002 9:58 pm
Email: Nessa <use...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
I went away for the weekend and I think my
dog walker will never speak to me again.
Bagel escaped from the kitchen and ate about 10
pounds of puppy food and proceeded to deposit it
all over my house.
He esp. liked my living room sofa which was my
mothers as he pulled some cu****ons off of it and
literally stood on it and peed.
Yes I know my dog has issues and I know I need help.
I think my poor dog walker needs therapy now.
It was a rough dog weekend for her and not
just with my kids.
I didn't know until the last minute I was going
away and NEXT time, the furbabies will go to
furbaby camp for the weekend.
It was too much for them.
Well live and learn.
Meanwhile, I'm still glad I went on retreat.
My house will survive as things are not im****tant.
Hannah still loves me and Bagel will talk
to me in a few days.....
Nessa
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From: Nessa (use...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Where we stand/sit/down/leave it Now
Date: 2003-09-17 14:14:51 PST
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:16:04 -0400,
Charlie Wilkes wrote (in message
<6dchmvc41uetv229f7249jh60k6881i...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>):
> Yes, it's a huge improvement over shoving them
> in crates at night. But why does Bagel have to
> be leashed?
because he will wander the area (room if i close
the door or house if i don't) and pee and bark all
night long. but i said that already you must not
be reading for comprehension.
--
Nessa
=========
Subject: Night time barking.. Help needed
1 From: Nessa
Date: Wed, Sep 18 2002 5:50 am
Email: Nessa <use...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Morning all,
Bagel and Hannah are doing well except for
night time barking in the house for play time.
Problem is it that when I am trying to sleep esp.
between 1 and 5. I CAN'T just let them bark it
out (because if I could it's no biggie and I can
sleep through it).
My problem is that my next door neighbors (I live in
a townhouse) don't appreciate it (and I can't blame them).
If they are very tired after a day at the park they tend
to sleep better but I can't get them to the park now
everyday because it gets dark earlier. I try to let them
run around a bit in the neighborhood with other dogs
but it's not enough.
oh that is when the owners and I are standing there.
we try to let them all play under supervision.
I can live with the banging (as Bagel slams Hannah
into the wall or Hannah throws one of her bones down
the uncarpeted steps and they waterfall down the steps
(there is no other way to describe dogs running down
wooden steps)
I know a tired dog is a good dog. I just don't know
what to do to hold off the barking. I know they are
playing and all I can think of is the line from the kids
book Go Dog Go (one of my favorites) is:
Now it is night
Sleep dogs sleep
(btw the drawing is of all these dogs sleeping in a big bed
on the pillows like humans with their party hats on)
I'm at the point where I am considering a soft muzzle to
prevent parking. Someone has offered the use of the
shock collar to teach no bark but I don't want to do that.
I'm too sleep deprived to do anything much.
HELP!!
Nessa
--
I don't have issues
I have subscriptions
www.nessa.info
2 From: J1Boss
Date: Wed, Sep 18 2002 7:48 am
Email: j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(J1Boss)
Nessa wrote:
> Problem is it that when I am trying to sleep esp.
> between 1 and 5. I CAN'T just let them bark it
> out (because if I could it's no biggie
> and I can sleep through it).
What the (*&(*)(* are they doing awake between 1 and 5?
> I can live with the banging (as Bagel slams Hannah
> into the wall or Hannah throws one of her bones down
> the uncarpeted steps and they waterfall down the steps
> (there is no other way to describe dogs running down
> wooden steps)
Baby gate. Door.
Do NOT let them wander the house getting
more charged up.
> I'm too sleep deprived to do anything much.
> HELP!!
Nessa - I would seriously consider why these dogs
are up at 1-5 and even thinking they CAN be! They
need to be confined to your room, told firmly to knock
it off, and have that backed up with some sort of
correction if they don't.
If all else fails, tether then away from each other, but
honestly, if they aren't responsive to you telling them
to cut it out, we're back to the "bigger issues" problem.
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
Maybe she can't scream at her dogs at night?
nessa CONtinues:
> A few weeks ago it started at 5:30 am and it has become
> increasingly earlier until this morning he started at 4:00.
> Ignoring him has proven to be futile, as has calming him
> down and rewarding him with a treat and, as a last resort,
> spraying him with water from a plant sprayer.
> This morning I even put him in his crate and took him into
> the bathroom with me as I prepared for work (normally he
> stays in a x-pen in the kitchen) but he only calmed down
> for a few minutes before the whining began again.
A 1 year old should be hanging out with you. Overnight,
around the house, and heck, even neat the bathroom while
you get ready for work..
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
Subject: Puppy license expires
1 From: Nessa
Date: Fri, Jul 26 2002 5:57 am
Email: Nessa <use...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Yep, she is pretty much housebroken so I let her
out of the crate at night to sleep with me. But last
night, while I was asleep she ATE MY GL*****.
It's my fault, I left them on the night table (where I
always leave them) so I could see when I got up.
I needed a new pair but I wanted to be able to get
them without having to miss work. Now, poof here
I am gl*****less. thank goodness we have 1 hour
glass makers pretty close by.
Well she's crated now until this chewing phase is over.
Hannah will be 5 months old next week. Any advice
on how to deal with this other than the standard, no bite,
here chew this, crating, etc.
Nessa
--
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I have subscriptions
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nessa's dogs got her EVICTED to boot <{}: ~ ( >
From: Nessa (ladybug0...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Sad News.. I need someone to take my dogs
Date: 2003-08-26 09:55:03 PST
well I'm not BLAMING my job it's ONE of MANY
things that I'm considering.
As for returning them to their respective shelters,
I don't want to split them up and I'm not going to
give them to just anyone. Possibly because I am
doing everything I can to keep them and drag this
mess out as long as possible in hopes that it will
work out.
=============
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
nessa's dogs TURNED ON HER an janet
GOT MAD at her for not MURDERIN
them at her FULL SERVICE SHELTER.
"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is
A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth,
author: "CourteHOWES Canine."
"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?
When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first
time, spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth
and walk away. The dog won't be too thrilled with
this but just ignore him and continue your normal
behavior."
--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"CourteHOWES Canines"
Janet B wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:44:14 -0500, Janet B
> <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, clicked their
> heels and said:
> Since you quoted me repeatedly, where does it say
> I beat dogs, choke dogs, scream at dogs, etc? Thanks
> for your clarification.
responding to my own post, I had to go back and look
at the original post, to remind myself what "we" are all
accused of doing:
"screaming, choking,
shocking, pinching, beating
the living crap out of your dogs"
Scream? no
Choke? no
Shock? e-collars are a lot more sophisticated than that
Pinch? if you want to classify a momentary discomfort
by a prong collar, go ahead, but unless you have first
hand experience with one, your opinion means nothing
Beat the living crap out of? hardly - no hitting exists
Janet.
lying frosty dahl writes:
"Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a
helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less
tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking
them more sharply.
With your hand on the collar and ear, say, 'fetch.'
Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the
stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to
the dummy.
Repeat, varying how hard you hit the dog,
Now you are ready to progress to what most
people think of as force-fetching: the ear pinch.
Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent
that resisting your will fades in im****tance.
but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their
efforts to escaping the ear pinch
You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell
instead of your thumb;
even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that
Say "fetch" while pressing the dummy
against its lips and pinching its ear.
if the dog still does not open its mouth,
get out the shotshell.
Try pinching the ear between the metal casing
and the collar, even the buckle on the collar.
Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in"
--------------------
"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.
"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack
Wouldn't Have Done It If He Thought Solo Couldn't
Take It. I Still Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear
He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.
captain arthur haggerty SEZ: "A CHIN CHUCK" Makes A
ResoundingSound Distraction: "When You Chuck The Dog
The Sound Will Travel Up The Mandible To The Ears And
Give A Popping Sound To The Dog."
"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.
"Reliable Punishment Cycles, Different Thresholds To Pain
And Punishment, High Tolerance For Correction, Escalation
Of Correction To A Level Where The Dog Yelps When You
Punish Him, Thus Making The Experience One Which The
Dog Will Want To Avoid In The Future," grant teeboon, RAAF.
On 26 Jun 2005 10:52:42 -0700, lucyaa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> What does the "choke" in the "choke chain" stand for, then?
> Lucy
one reason I call them slip collars. Their is a correction involved,
and while it causes momentary discomfort, does not choke the dog.
OTOH, it is CAPABLE fo being used to do that, should a situation
warrant it.
--
Janet B
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From: "Deltones" <vibrov...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 2 Dec 2005 10:55:41 -0800
Subject: Re: In defense of Jerry Howe's methods
Mary Healey wrote:
> I'm still asking for 5 original posts from people here at least
> 5 years to sup****t your initial contention (NOT HURTING
> DOGS TO TRAIN THEM).
You're 0 for 2, so far.
That's 2 in 2 as far as I'm concerned but hey, if you insist. I'm
really curious to see what will be the justification this time. So
far we have:
Limited choking? Hey, it's limited, As
Neo would say: Woah, there is no choke.
Dogs pumped full of prozac? Hey, they're trippin
man. Remember Woodstock. Euh.... Woodwhat?
E-Collar? I'm sure some of you will come up with: But my
dog look so pretty with an electrified perm. Swoooon.
So on with the fun. Taken from the "Collars" thread,
started by Perry Templeton June 20 2005
Denis
------------
And here's another one from the same author, taken from the same thread:
167. Janet B
Jun 21, 12:03 pm show options
On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:40:11 +0100, "Alison"
<Ali...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, wrote:
> I'm just wondering why you had to use choke chains to
> "train"your dogs especially as they are so small.
Oh geez - let's see - how many JRTs act like alligators
at the end of a leash? I personally prefer prong collars.
----------------
Let's go for the hat trick with the same author, taken from the same
thread:
141. Janet B
Jun 27, 10:01 pm
I don't use choke chains. Not quite true - I use a jeweler's hex link
on Franklin at times - it's puuuuuurty. I know the "sound" thing
and all, and when training a dog in a non-group setting, that sound
may be a factor, but I think it fails in the context of a group class.
So, I prefer the better fitting nylon slip collars, and very often,
pinch collars (small link unless it's a freaky dog, then they need
the milder medium link).
But I use e-collars too. With one of my dogs and with some clients.
For cir***stances where a physical collar and leash is not the right
answer. I'm sure Lucy has no clue what THAT means!
--
Janet B
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Here's your PARTNER who heelped nessa "train" her
fear aggressive hyperactive HOWETA CON-TROLL
PROBABLY DEAD dogs:
"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
sinofa***** writes:
> > What I have said- repeatedly - is that he took
> > posts from two different people,
Of curse THAT'S a lie.
> > took pieces of them out of context,
Of curse. QUOTED. You wanna see it in context?
> > cobbled them together,
No. There was WON DIRECT QUOTE.
> > then added his own words:
"Neatly," and "Smartly."
> > and a fake signature.
"sinofa*****" instead of sionnach.
> > Which is exactly what he did.
INDEEDY. That's HOWE COME you deny it.
> > The actual quote is misleading
That so?
> > when taken out of context,
We'd been talkin abHOWET beatin the dog with a shoe...
> > and Jerry's faked "quote"
The WON sinofa***** totally DENIES.
> > is downright meaningless.
Only if you're a MENTAL CASE.
> Here's Jerry's version
> "I Dropped The Leash, Threw My
> Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
> Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My
> Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
> Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into
> Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And
> Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofa*****.
>
> Here's yours;
>
> "I dropped the leash, threw my
> right arm over the Lab's shoulder,
> grabbed her opposite foot with my
> left hand, rolled her on her side,
> leaned on her, said "GRRRR!" and
> nipped her ear.
> --Sara Sionnach
"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
See?
"BethF" <b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote in message
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Kyle, FWIW, i thought it was pretty funny,
and i often call my little dog the turd, because
he is one. Some folks think its HORRRIBLE i
would insult my dog like that so i guess its just a
matter of personality.
Kyle, the best way to teach him to stay away is to
step on him once. Seriously.
"Whatever Motivates The Dog, But I Daresay Most
Of The Dogs I Have In Cl***** Just Aren't That
Interested In Praise."
"BethF" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:uohnj3r4a4e85e@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Maybe that's what we should do - hold back the dobie
girl so that Izzy can put Simon in his place.
From: sionnach (rhyfe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Correct use of prong collar
Date: 2001-05-05 13:03:14 PST
> And Sally responded:
> > Who said that? I would never do or recommend
> > that, and neither would most of the regulars
> > on here.
> > Sally Hennessey
> I've posted my entire quote, since Patch failed
> to do so. Take it out of context and you'd think
> I was flinging puppies across the room!
> here's what I said (keep in mind that we're
> talking about a 12 week old ~25# FCR puppy):
> A small scruff shake is appropriate if he's very persistant.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Um, may I suggest a re-wording that might make
it clearer- given that "scruff shake" is too easily
misinterpreted as "pick the puppy up by the scruff
of the neck and shake the puppy in the air"?
I think I'd phrase it something like "if the puppy
is very persistant, it can be appropriate to take
hold of the loose skin at the back of the neck and
give a slight shake to the *skin*".
Janet's not talking about actually shaking
the puppy, which I think we ALL agree is
abusive."
----------------------
"After Numerous Training Cl*****, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness," mustang sally.
"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.
I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia
tech at our local shelter for a while, and
I know a bit about overpopulation and
unwanted animals.
This however has nothing at all to do with
responsible breeders, because responsible
breeders don't contribute to that problem,"
Mustang Sally.
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Re: Dog Training - Common House Training Problems
In article 8vebt39mfcscgo3d138t0vshtth75uo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Maximus <molos...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
Jerry,
Your Wits' End Training Method Manual has been a huge hit
with me and my website visitors. I don't know Howe you do
it but your methods are solid and they work. The members of
www.molosserdogs.com love it.
All the best.
Re: Dog Training - Common House Training Problems
"Janet Boss" <ja...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:janet-898263.18060110032008@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jerry,
Congratulations! You are a *******WINNER*******
You and your spam, combined with your responding to
the loon, have earned you a permanent place in my killfile!
Isn't it great to win things on the internet?
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
--------------------------
OR DO YOU WANT A PIECE OF THIS?:
From: Janet B
Date: Fri, Mar 3 2006 6:27 pm
On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 22:13:32 GMT, Robin Nuttall
<robi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, clicked their heels and said:
> Here's the theory. The only people who think Jerry makes sense
> are those with the same mental problems as Jerry. I.e., it takes a
> loon to understand a loon.
I do believe you've hit the nail on the head, Robin.
Getting back to the subject line, I started using the e-collar with
Rudy today. He's hit adolescence and is so engrossed in munching
sticks, flirting with the Dobe ***** behind us, etc, that his recall
has become a bit inadequate. Now then, I can go out to him, call
him, and he's fine with that.
He comes, sits front, I food reward, and all is right with the world.
Only he really needs to come from the back of the yard with me at
the back door, 100'+ away. I tapped him on ~12 (Dogtra 1200) and
he perked up and recalled beautifully.
Did it again at a point where he was in the bushes and totally focused
on something. He came happily, tail wagging, and got a food reward
as well. Since then, he has just recalled, no tap given.
We'll be using it daily, especially at his most challenging times
of day (the post-dinner Dobe shmoozing). I'll be teaching it to
DH now, since Rudy rarely recalls to him in a reasonable amount
of time, and he handles it poorly.
We need to keep endearing the Rude-man to him after all!
--
Janet B
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
"Tricia9999" <tricia9...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:20021117101433.10365.00000067@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> how effective are these electronic fences in
> keeping a dog on a property????
Some run through it. Others get shocked and become
too scared to go out in the yard anymore.
Just heard of a guy that has to rehome his dog,
because the dog got caught right in the path of
the shock and will now not go near his person,
won't go outside.
Just hides under a desk in the house.
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"micha el" spam_yurs...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
in message
news:yIydnZpPsIzg6l_d4p2dnA@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Anyway, contrary to your PR, this is what
it felt like to me when I got shocked by
Hope's collar.
It felt like a bomb going off in my
hand and forearm.
--------------------------
From: j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(J1Boss)
Date: 2000/10/06
Subject: Re: ****na Inu Experts : Please help!
Dogman, quoting howdy-doody:
>>This is a young puppy, hardly a threat to a kat.
> See? They just cannot conceive of a cat, for example, scratching
> out the eyes of a young puppy because it didn't want to be bothered
> by an over-exurburant puppy (are there any other kinds?).
********** Jerry's never met a puppy, He's never met a
RETRIEVER PUPPY, that's pretty clear. I have a wonderfully
exhuberant retriever puppy - love every minute of it.
My 17 year old cat, doesn't have quite the same appreciation.
Sometimes, Franklin licks his ears and Robie enjoys it. Other
times, Franklin thinks Robie's another puppy and Robie does
not enjoy that. Without my supervision, confinement is only
sensible (of course).
I've got Jer-Jer kill-filed, but the glimpes at his posts, through
re-posts, are good indications that nothing has changed.
> But if a crate is a "barrier" to training a puppy, then what
> must the walls of a SCHOOL ROOM be, eh?
*********** and don't forget cribs for crawling babies, safety
gates, doors, etc. Let's just open up the houses and let everyone
run amok!
> Ladies and gentlemen, he literally counts on many of you
> being too damn stupid or ignorant to see just how little he
> actually knows about dogs, puppies, cats, etc.
> Don't let him, eh?
> Dogman
************** It's so difficult for the newbies, since so many
of the people who DO have good advice, have killfiled him.
Tired of refuting slander and general inaccuracies in his "they're
all bad, I'm good" rants (without any actual training advice, as
usual) is a reality for most.
Are there actually people, besides Marilyn, who believe him?
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
THAT was your pal DOGMAN, another pathetic
miserable stinkin rotten lyin anonymHOWES coward.
Not so handsome, not so gentle, not so manly, not so
happy jackass, not even morrison aka dogman a.k.a.
BIG DADDY, a.k.a. tommy sorenson, sez:
"I don't know how big you are, kiddo, so this may
not be as easy for you as it is for me, but use
a little "knee action," that is, as the dog goes
charging by you, just give the dog a little bop
with your knee and ****n. Yep, really lean into it.
Even knock her over, if you can, but make sure to
make her think twice about ru****ng past you again -
- which is exactly what you want her to do.
Don't bother with scolding her, she'll get the message.
If it happens again, just REPEAT the knee action.
When she steps on your toes, just pick up your foot
abruptly and ****ge her with your knee. Again, no
scolding is necessary here, so you don't have to
worry about her "over-reacting."
I don't think this is necessarily a lack of respect
for you, just a lack of training. That is, she just
needs *more* of it."
"My objective is always to find a way that WORKS.
And if it is DANGEROUS behavior that I'm trying
to modify, behavior than can get the dog KILLED,
I will resort to ANYTHING to save him.
A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G.
Okay. Call me a cruel, inhumane, abusive bastard
if you want to, but it doesn't affect me at all.
When you've saved the lives of as many dogs as I
have, you'll learn that that's the only thing that
really matters. Saving lives and making dogs become
good citizens
At no time do the Monks *ever* advocate beating a
dog. A swat on the rump or a check to the chin does
*not* constitute a "beating."
=====================
From: dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Dogman)
Date: 1999/01/15
Subject: Re: Another mouthy lab
Get this book:
"The Art of Raising A Puppy," by the Monks of New Skete
If you can't find it locally, you can obtain it
through my Web site (see below).
You'll need it for more than just the usual puppy
"mouthing" problems, anyway.
And good luck with your Lab puppy!
--
Dogman
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From: osi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Michael Erskine)
Date: 12 Aug 2004 10:09:05 -0700
Subject: My GSD bit me.
The question:
I have a four year old male GSD. He growls
at me sometimes. When he growls at me he
stares me in the face and lays his ears back.
The New Skete books say that the dog should not be
allowed to do that. They suggest shaking down the
dog by grabing the dog on the sides of his neck and
picking him off his front feet, then giving the dog the
same sort of treatment the dog would give another if
it were challenging him.
Namely getting in the dogs face and letting
the dog know you are the alpha dog.
Well, my dog bit me clearly he felt that I was not
convincing enough or he bit me out of fear.
Anyone got ideas on what to do with this dog that might
help him to decide that he wants to follow and that he
has nothing to fear from me?
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From: Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:21:14 GMT
Subject: Re: My GSD bit me.
You need to improve your acting skills. Get a werewolf
suit with blood-drenched fangs and claw gloves and THEN
go after your dog.
Knock the **** out of him and don't be afraid to crack
some ribs. Then yank the mask off and shout "SURPRISE!
IT'S ME!" I guarantee you and your dog will have a new
relation****p based on mutual respect.
Keep in mind that the monks of New Skete
were pre-Lon-Chaney.
Charlie
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HOWE COME would matty set his INFORMATIVE POSTS to
EXXXPIRE in six days like elegy, montana, diddler, professora
melanie chang, cindy title moore of k9web.com, and not so happy,
not so handsome, not so gentle jackass, not even jack morrison,
a.k.a. BIG DADDY a.k.a. DOGMAN a.k.a. tommy sorenson of
sorenson's Retriever PUPPY MILL and SHOCK COLLAR SALES??
Are they EMBARRASSED by their own words, the lyin animal
murderin punk thug coward mental cases frauds an SCAM ARTISTS?
matty aka Rocky EXXXPLAINS HOWE COME:
"Rocky" <2d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
For reasons I'll only explain privately, I've gone no
archive, and it's a shame. Once in a while, while
looking for something else, I'll run into an old post
of mine. What an idiotic response! Whoops.
BWEEEAAAHAHAAAHAAHAAA!~!~!
You wanna see matty's 'obviHOWES LIES' and IDIOTIC RESPONSES??
Here's more from your PAL matty:
From: Rocky <2dogsREM...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 24 Jul 2004 04:00:53 GMT
Local: Fri, Jul 23 2004 11:00 pm
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Cam said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> Everything he preaches is very positive, no
> correction, no punishment, all praise and love.
You are very wrong.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
From: Rocky <2d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 23 Nov 2003 02:40:42 GMT
Subject: Re: house training
steve braun said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> I dont like the insinuations that i am abusing
> my dog when i am NOT.
Then you may want to ignore the Puppy Wizard/Jerry Howe.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
From: Rocky <3da...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 16 Aug 2002 18:40:54 GMT
Subject: Re: training a dog...
nancyj wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> The pressure meant a GOOD possibility if she could
> just push up hard enough, I'd understand. I did
> eventually <G>. I switched to a light tap!
Yup, once a dog learns to sit, a light tap
works as a reminder when they "forget".
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
But "NEVER HIT your dog", eh, matty?
From: "Nevyn" <greatd...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:05:45 +0800
Subject: Re: puppy wizzards training manual.
G'DAY STEVE.
I used to be like you.
Then I found a book...it was called... the
wits end dog training manual.... and then
there was light..and perfectly trained dogs.
--
Thankyou,
Nevyn
Nevyn E.D.
Veterinary Nurse & Animal Trainer
greatd...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Yu agonna get whats comin' to you...for
all the bad bad things you to do your...dog"
________________________
"steve braun" <twopointerp...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:2d60c10a.0311231915.68b1241d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> twopointerp...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(steve braun) wrote in message
<news:2d60c10a.0311231219.d2cf140@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>...
> > Hello, Mr. puppy wizzard, how do i find a copy of
> > your manual. Do you have a link that takes me to it?
>
> > I think i would like to read it.
>
> > Now i have another question for you in regards to
> > walking your dog. How do you feel about the gentle
> > leader? I bought one for each of my pups and the
> > difference in walking them is unbelievable. If you are
> > not sure what the gentle leader is check out their web
> > site at www.premier.com. If you are as good as you say
> > you are i want to read your manual.
> > thanks,
> > Steve
> > P.s. by the way my pup doesnt pee as soon as i put
> > him in his crate its after he's been in for a while
> > and cant hold it anymore that he pee's
> Howdy, jerry,
> well i started reading your manual, Im going to
> perfectly honest with you I thought last night when
> i started reading your posts you were full of crap
> but the more i read the more i could tell that you
> really do care about dogs. That is why asked for
> a copy of your manual.
>
> I really like your analogy on barking that was very
> interesting and gave it a perspective i never even thought
> of. As far as your praising the dogs when they are
> misbehaving i still dont understand how that works (i
> didnt get all that far in the manual yet.
>
> But i must say my female was clawing at the couch so i
> praised her like you say to do, i praised her twice for
> it and she stopped and came over to me.
>
> So i think what you have to say has merit, And for one
> am anxious to finish the book and get started because
> i love my dogs and really am looking forward to interacting
> with them on a positive note all of the time.
>
> This may be a little premature jerry, but
> Thank you
> Steve
Rocky wrote:
> Robin said in rec.pets.dogs.health:
> > Jerry, you give the lying dog abusing punk thug coward
> > mental cases too much credit for the ability to influence
Naaah, The Amazing Puppy Wizard was just BAITING these lying
dog abusing punk thug coward mental cases again <{); ~ ) >
> You really are a piece of work.
INDEEDY, matty. Robin studied and followed the INSTRUCTIONS
in her FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual and RE****TED
her 100% NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS RIGHT HERE on The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Forums And SCHOOL Of HARD KNOCKS
And HUMAN And ANIMAL BEHAVIOR RESEARCH
LABORATORIES, matty <{); ~ ) >
You're settin in it <{); ~ ) >
> Keep this out of the health groups, 'kay?
Dogs DIE from separation anXXXIHOWESNESS, matty, JUST
LIKE HOWE your own DEATHLY ILL dog Rocky is DYIN from
STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy
Wizard's SYNDROME, on accHOWENT of you're a lyin dog abusin
punk thug coward MENTAL CASE, matty, and you can't post here
abHOWETS nodoGgamenedMOORE <{); ~ ) >
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"Rocky" <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAaustralianshepherdca@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> > When you compare using sound and
> > praise to solve a problem with using
> > shock collars, hanging, and punishment
> > how can you criticize the use of sound?
> There's nothing more to be said, then.
> You've made up your mind.
> But you've impressed me by mentioning
> that you're a professor with 30 years of
> experience.
\
> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
>> I do know that hitting, hurting your dog
>> will often make the dog either aggressive
>> or a fear biter, neither of which we want
>> to do.
>
> And neither does anyone else, Jerome.
> No matter what Jerry Howe states.
>
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
> BUT, giving you the benefit of the
> doubt, please provide a quote (an
> original quote, not from one of Jerry
> Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
> shows a regular poster promoting or
> using an abusive form of training.
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
> What's the point, but: Refer me to those posts of
> which you have read so many. While you're going
> through them, point out those which recommend
> shocking, and pinching, and beating. Thank you.
> --
> -Matt. Rocky's a Dog
> Rocky wrote:
> "Deltones" <vibrov...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said in
> rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
> > After your defense of "Limited" choking, what
> > would be the point? Where I come from, choking
> > is choking. It's never limited.
>
> So, you can't point out abuse where none occurs.
> Thank you for your contribution.
>-
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
From: Rocky (2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: How to handle aggressive situations
Date: 2004-10-19 19:42:54 PST
Melanie L Chang said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> I try really hard not to yell. The times that I have,
> Solo joined in and then lunged to the end of the
>leash.
Or, at the other end of the spectrum, Rocky cowers,
thinking I'm angry at him - a reason I don't "yuk out"
others' dogs at agility trials or training.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
---------------
Sometimes my "voice of god" startles human
and dog, especially when the human didn't
see the inappropriate behaviour. --Matt.
Rocky's a Dog.
"Rocky" <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:Xns92C1EC10BFE7australianshepherdca@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Rosa Palmén wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> Anybody else got bilingual dogs?
Long ago my Hebrew was pretty good - but now I
only use "Chutza"(throat clearing 'ch') - "Out" when
it's reallyreally im****tant that my dogs get away from
something.
"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It A Sharp
Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack Wouldn't
Have Done It If He Thought Solo Couldn't Take It. I Still
Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My
Cat," Melanie Lee Chang * mch...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Canine Behavioral Genetics Project
University of California, San Francisco
http://psych.ucsf.edu/K9BehavioralGenetics/
From: Rocky <2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 10 Jun 2003 18:00:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Absolutely abysmal agility day
Robin Nuttall said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior
> One of the things that frustrates methe most about
> agility is that people seem to think that ALL dogs
> are fragile, shrinking flowers who cannot be
> corrected in any way.
Well, maybe one day -- when Friday doesn't take
correction so much to heart -- I'll try something
different. Right now, he's just getting the confidence
to work a few jumps ahead of me.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"I crate Rocky, even though he's 8.5 years old, but
only when I'm gone during summertime days -
maybe an hour at the most. (Other than hot days,
my dogs are always with me.)
While Friday has been totally reliable unsupervised
from the day I got him from a rescue, Rocky has not.
Rocky will go looking for food even in areas where
there's no possibility of food.
The good thing is that he likes his crate, runs for
it when I ask, and gets food when he's in it.
--
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAAA!!!
From: Rocky (mbon...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Leg Humper
Date: 1999/09/14
Bioso...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Jerry Howe) wrote in
<37D698CF.405B0...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>:
> By "sticking your knee up," I can only presume
> that you are suggesting that the people knee the
> dog in the chest. If that's what you meant, just
> say it, instead of beating around the bush to avoid
> criticism from people like me. That kind of crap has
> got to stop, and that's why I'm here, to help wean
> you guys off of the abuse and into the proper methods
> of dealing with behavior problems.
Jerry, I was appreciating your explanation
up until this last paragraph.
Why did you blow it?
--Matt
"dallygirl" <kwickw...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> choke chains are outdated and barbaric in many
>cases causing more harm than good.
Back at you with flat buckle collars. These are an
incredibly abused training tool, what with the number
of handlers I see pulling back and jerking on the leash
with both hands.
It's a good thing that most of us are here because of
dogs' well-being and not an agenda.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
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BWEEEEAHAHAHHAAA!!!
Here's HOWER DOG LOVER pal sgt grant teebon, RAAF:
"Reliable Punishment Cycles, Different Thresholds
To Pain And Punishment, High Tolerance For
Correction, Escalation Of Correction To A Level
Where The Dog Yelps When You Punish Him,
Thus Making The Experience One Which The Dog
Will Want To Avoid In The Future," grant teeboon,
RAAF.
Here's HOWER DOG LOVER pal captain
arthur haggerty, USArmy K-9 Corps:
captain arthur haggerty SEZ: "A CHIN CHUCK"
Makes A ResoundingSound Distraction: "When
You Chuck The Dog The Sound Will Travel Up
The Mandible To The Ears And Give A Popping
Sound To The Dog."
lying frosty dahl writes:
"Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a
helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less
tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking
them more sharply.
With your hand on the collar and ear, say, 'fetch.'
Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the
stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to
the dummy.
Repeat, varying how hard you hit the dog,
Now you are ready to progress to what most
people think of as force-fetching: the ear pinch.
Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent
that resisting your will fades in im****tance.
but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their
efforts to escaping the ear pinch
You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell
instead of your thumb;
even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that
Say "fetch" while pressing the dummy
against its lips and pinching its ear.
if the dog still does not open its mouth,
get out the shotshell.
Try pinching the ear between the metal casing
and the collar, even the buckle on the collar.
Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in"
==============
"The Koehler Method of Dog Training"
Howell Book House, 1996"
Koehler On Correcting The Housebreaking Backslider.
"If the punishment is not severe enough, some of these
"backsliders" will think they're winning and will
continue to mess in the house. An indelible impression
can sometimes be made by giving the dog a hard
spanking of long duration, then leaving him tied by
the mess he's made so you can come back at twenty
minute intervals and punish him again for the same
thing. (Dogs are REALLY stupid. J.H.)
In most cases, the dog that deliberately does this
disagreeable thing cannot be made reliable by the
light spanking that some owners seem to think is
adequate punishment. It will be better for your dog,
as well as the house, if you really pour it on him."
"Housebreaking Problems:
"The Koehler Method of Dog Training"
Howell Book House, 1996"
Occasionally, there is a pup who seems determined to
relieve himself inside the house, regardless of how
often he has the op****tunity to go outside. This dog
may require punishment. Make certain he is equipped
with a collar and piece of line so he can't avoid
correction.
When you discover a mess, move in fast, take him to
the place of his error, and hold his head close enough
so that he associates his error with the punishment.
Punish him by spanking him with a light strap or
switch. Either one is better than a folded newspaper.
It is im****tant to your future relation****p that you
do not rush at him and start swinging before you get
hold of him.
When he's been spanked, take him outside. Chances
are, if you are careful in your feeding and close
observation, you will not have to do much puni****ng.
Be consistent in your handling.
To have a pup almost house-broken and then force
him to commit an error by not providing an op****tunity
to go outside is very unfair. Careful planning will
make your job easier.
The same general techniques of housebreaking apply
to grown dogs that are inexperienced in the house.
For the grown dog who was reliable in the house and
then backslides, the method of correction differs
somewhat. In this group of "backsliders" we have the
"revenge piddler." This dog protests being alone by
messing on the floor and often in the middle of a bed.
The first step of correction is to confine the dog
closely in a part of the house when you go away, so
that he is constantly reminded of his obligation. The
fact that he once was reliable in the house is proof
that the dog knows right from wrong, and it leaves
you no other course than to punish him sufficiently
to convince him that the satisfaction of his
wrongdoing is not worth the consequences. If the
punishment is not severe enough, some of these
"backsliders" will think they're winning and will
continue to mess in the house.
An indelible impression can sometimes be made
by giving the dog a hard spanking of long duration,
then leaving him tied by the mess he's made so you
can come back at twenty minute intervals and punish
him again for the same thing.
In most cases, the dog that deliberately does this
disagreeable thing cannot be made reliable by the
light spanking that some owners seem to think is
adequate punishment.
It will be better for your dog, as well as the house,
if you really pour it on him.
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