HOWEDY jimmy,
Subject: Re: Latest on American Eskimo ( Bear ) [ninnyboy]
"Jim Manson" <Jim@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:2jt2d4p8jhun7696ehqaun30vlp5q2kdbp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Hi Jerry,
You mean 'HOWEDY The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin
Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy,
Child, *****, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES,
And Horsey Wizard', just HOWETA respect <{}: ~ ) >
JUST LIKE HOWE you done for all your fellHOWE pathetic
miserable stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin punk thug coward
active acute chronic life-long incurable malignant maliciHOWES
MENTAL CASE PALS when you put [ninnyboy] in the subject
header.
HOWEver, to be CONsiderate of ALL your newfHOWEND
pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin punk
thug coward active acute chronic life-long incurable malignant
maliciHOWES MENTAL CASE PALS' FEELINS, you shoulda
included [Jerry] and [EGGPLANT] an don't forget the brackets:
Subject changed: JUMPING / MOUTHING On PEOPLE (Ninnyboy)
26 From: Marshall Dermer -
Date: Tues, Aug 14 2001 8:15 pm
Email: der...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Marshall Dermer)
In article <2e501ccd.0108141341.7f18d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
mattburns...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Matthew Burnside) writes:
Dear Matt:
Many have offered Jerry constructive advice but
Jerry has failed to profit from it.
My sincere advice is to filter out Jerry's posts.
--Marshall
PS: I have put "Ninnyboy" in the header for many of us filter
posts with this term. The term indicates that the post
is about Jerry.
(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-
tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.),
--Marshall
I have read rpdb for about five years. Consequently, I urge
newbies to attend to the civil and rational posts of the rpdb
regulars from whom I have learned much. They include:
Ann (,Twzl, Sligo & Roy), Amy Dahl, Diane Blackman,
jdoee, Janet Boss, Susan Fraser, Avrama Gingold, Nancy
Holmes, Lynn Kosmakos, Bob Maida, MaryBeth, Ruth
Mays, Cindy Tittle Moore, Robin Nuttall, Denna Pace,
John Richardson, Sarah Sionnach, Ludwig Smith, Jane
Webb, and Terri Willis.
*(EVERY WON of them got VERY LONG POSTED CASE}
HISTORIES of INCURABLE MENTAL ILLNESS an HURTIN
INTIMIDATIN an MURDERIN INNOCENT DEFENSELESS
DUMB CRITTERS an LYIN abHOWET IT.)
Marshall Lev Dermer/Associate Professor/Behavior Analysis
Specialty/ Department of Psychology/University of
Wisconsin--Milwaukee/Milwaukee, WI 53201
der...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
"If I am not for myself, who will be for me. But if I am only for
myself, what am I?" _The Talmud_
YOU'RE FRAUDS, drs p. and dermer!
Either DEFEND your LIES, ABUSE And
Degrees or get the heel HOWETA THIS
BUSINESS.
> Well, reading that post was interesting,
I told you HOWE to pupperly handle raise an train your new
RESCUE dog, an you DIDN'T LIKE the part abHOWET not
jerkin chokin cratin an bribin your dog, remember, jimmy?
> hard to decipher in parts,
Yeah?
> but interesting.
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing,
Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Goat,
Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard DON'T
EXXXPECT comments on HIS "interesting" posts, jimmy.
You don't even gotta say 'THANK YOU, The Sincerely
Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic
Grand Master Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Goat, Ferret,
Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard, if you don't
LIKE to' <{}: ~ ) >
LIKE THIS:
Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:
"We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
Come To Their Senses And Sup****t Your Valuable Work.
God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.
From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<ThePuppyWiz...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.
You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts to
alert the world to animal abuse.
We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and sup****t your valuable
work.
Have you thought of establi****ng a nonprofit
charity to fund your im****tant work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?
In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.
--Marshall Dermer
"If you've got them by the balls their hearts
and minds will follow,"
John Wayne.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >
> ( Hey, I'm still new to the group.... ;-) )
INDEED?
ONLY LIARS, DOG ABUSERS, COWARDS, And
ACTIVE ACUTE CHRONIC LIFE-LONG INCURABLE
MALIGNANT MALICIHOWES MENTAL CASES post
their LIES IDIOCY INSANITY and ABUSE here, jimmy <{}: ~ ( >
WELCOME~!
> Anyway,
You mean 'anyHOWE', jimmy <{}: ~ ( >
> I appreciate the thoughts
INDEED?
> but a few things.
Apupriate handlin an trainin AIN'T a matter of PREFERENCE
or OPINION, jimmy, it's a matter of SCIENTIFIC FACTS.
> 1) I don't use choke collars, never have and never will.
Of curse not~! You never said you did; The Sincerely
Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic
Grand Master Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Goat, Ferret,
Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard was just
BAITING you, jimmy <{}: ~ ) >
> 2) I don't use a crate, again, never have.
Of curse not, on accHOWENTA you CAN'T GET
your new RESCUE dog into a crate <{}: ~ ( >
> I can't say I never will for things like travel.
Travel got nuthin to do with this.
> 3) I haven't had a leash on him for more
> than a few seconds since he first got here.
On accHOWENTA he's AFRAID of you CHOKIN him.
> 4) The meds are actually cheap- I get them
> at Target for $4 for a /30 day supply.
Givin dogs ANTI-PSYCHOTIC medications is INSANE, jimmy,
besides the FACT that THEY DON'T WORK <{}: ~ ( >
> Even if they were more it wouldn't change our decision to use them.
Of curse not~!
> 5) The wrap was a simple ace bandage
The wrap is harmless but ineffective <{}: ~ ( >
> and the pheromone collar I can get on Amazon. The vet
> wasn't pu****ng them, he told me to get them online.
The pheromone collar is less than 50% effective <{}: ~ ( >
> 6) We didn't have a lot of choice in carrying him in.
On accHOWENTA you don't know HOWE to pupperly
handle, raise, an train your new RESCUE dog, jimmy,
EVEN AFTER I GAVE YOU ALL THE INSTRUCTIONS.
> Unfortunately we both work and don't have the luxury of
> hanging out for several hours in the morning waiting for
> him to come in.
You mean INSTEAD of just TRAININ your new RESCUE
dog to COME, in just a couple of minutes of EZ, GENTLE,
NON PHYSICAL SCIENTIFIC Pavlovian CONditioning?
LIKE THIS:
ballzde...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> Well I am happy to reply that so far after 10
> minutes of work and the cans from mr Howes guide,
You mean The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual <{); ~ ) >
> I have instilled the "come" command to Riley.
Good. You mean INSTALLED the come command as
a conditional reflex. Be SHORE to perform the
EXXXORCISES four times in each of four locations.
> He is an extremley smart dog, I have never had
> to go to the third or fourth try.
Good. DON'T SKIP ANY THING in your FREE COPY
of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual <{); ~ ) >
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SEE?
AND LIKE THIS:
From: "BarbnBeau" <bdea...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:52:30 -0500
Re: Puppy Wizard's Website
Hi Buzzsaw
Not a Thing to lose ...But a Lot To Gain!!
I can only speak from my experience.. I have a 8 month
old miniature poodle, and although I had done some basic
training with him we had a few barking issues ..ugh
I am happy to tell you, I contacted Jerry at the email
addy I posted and he was so great! I wasn't following
the technique precisely but he helped me get back on track.
Beau is doing sooooo well it is really a thrill working
with him, and seeing the remarkable changes.
Now I can ask for "recall" (come) both on and off lead
and it is immediate!
the first time I ask.
Best of Luck to you,
Remember if you need help or explanation contact Jerry ..
he will be more than happy to help anyway he can.
Cheers
Barb
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SEE?
AND LIKE THIS:
From: Lindalee
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: dog aggression - Today Seemed Like A Miracle -
WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING!
Sun****ne is still acting like a new dog!
Saw a dog today and "good boy-" worked along
with calling him-came the first time every time.
Not even a sound out of him.
Think it is hard for him but he never even
seemed to think about going off-reacting.
The word come has no affect on him just
the phrase--Sun****ne come goodboy.
----------------------
SEE?
AND LIKE THIS:
Hi, Jerry.
I'm not sure that I'm a 100% convert, or that I agree with
(or even understand) 100% of what you say in this manual ...
BUT ... we had "come" down pat in a few reps and you
could have knocked me down when I tried the exercise
with "drop" and, after a few reps in different spots Darwin
practically *threw* the rubber ball at my feet on command.
He's still not perfect (just a pup, after all, and he's stubborn
enough to want to push and test me a little bit more).
For what it's worth, I can see (as no doubt you have) how
your usenet manner is likely to rankle a few folks, but that
woman who advocates ear pulling and beating with sticks
deserves everything she gets.
Even if that was the only method that would work, I'd live
with my dog not fetching rather than do any of that. (Darwin
fetches enthusiastically and instinctively, tho').
Best, ben
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SEE?
AND LIKE THIS:
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:06 AM
Hello.
I never posted here (or anywhere) before.
I never trained or owned a dog before this
year.
I downloaded the Wit's End, read it, corresponded
with Mr. Howe and trained my dog to come and to
stop barking in a weekend.
Our dog, Jake, had been treated with kindness the
whole time we had him, about 10 months, but his
earlier life is unknown.
I worked on the hot-cold exercise for about 30
minutes when he suddenly "got it". After that
he came to me every time with no hesitation.
I used the cans filled with pennies to teach him
not to bark. If he now starts to bark, I go to the
door or window, say "Good Boy, its' alright" and
he usually calms down right away.
A couple of times I had to get the cans
out again to reinforce the behavior.
We feel a strong bond with this animal
and he is very eager to accept our love.
So with all the vitriolic spewing going on,
I have to believe Mr. Howe is right.
His method worked for us.
I don't know if it would have been quite
as effective if we had tried another method first.
Florence
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SEE?
AND LIKE THIS:
From: lucyaa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mon, May 23 2005 1:08 am
Email: lucyaa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> Anyone else have an opinion?
I'm not a trainer and my experience is limited to my two dogs, so take
it for what it's worth. As someone who had to deal with a puppy who
had his own ideas about what was and what wasn't "proper behavior",
I was very happy to find The Amazing Puppy Wizard's dog training
method.
It is a method that is gentle to the dog, very easy to apply and it has
been working wonderfully with both my dogs, giving practically instant
results. It was as if I had been given the "key" to understanding and
controlling my puppy's behavior: suddenly, he was listening to me,
doing what I was asking him to do, instead of constantly opposing me.
It also worked with some issues my older dog had, too - her fear of
thunder, her barking and her aggression towards another female dog.
Don't let either the first impression about the "weirdness" of The
Amazing Puppy Wizard, or the regulars' negative opinion of him
(there's a long history behind it) deter you from at least reading
the manual and deciding for yourself if you want to try it or not.
I wish all the best to you and your dog.
Lucy
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LIKE THIS:
"Linda" <llindaleedan...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote in message
news:
I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my
dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age.
I do not know what started the problem but he came
aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and
snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone
and could play with any dog. He was well socialized
ad I took him with me everywhere.
At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but
it was not working on his aggression problem.
I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet,
trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse.
They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated
and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then
suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not
working as he was becoming more aggressive.
I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph. D. 400 miles
away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book
on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to
use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.
I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG
ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE
LEASH", ETC looking for help. We finally went to Purdue
University Small Animal Behavior Clinic and they said he
had fear aggression, punishment would not work, use the
gentle leader and when out walking and he got stressed
have the people stop until he could get in control using
treats, and work on clicker training.
At that point I knew more about clicker training and using
the gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he
would not come when I called him and would run away when
I tried to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the
neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and women who
hasn't trained her dog"
I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who
were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two
were so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one
said I should give up on him and kill him but they would
say "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are
responsible for him."
*(You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sun****ne
DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.)
As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on
going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr
Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do
Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.
He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could
not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.
The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End.
I had been working for 18 months!
Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes
from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next
I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three
blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the
can sound and he looked at me like uhn?
I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
-the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked
on by.
When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at
me like "you must be out of your mind"
The results can make a believer!!!
Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training
Manual program I walked him without the gentle leader
in a busy shopping area with many dogs.
He just seemed to not notice any one.
When people talked to him or ask his name he would
look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.
I still can not believe the change in him--we can now
enjoy life out in public.
If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone
Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his
toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.
My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that
dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with
out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!
I know most people would have given up on him a long time
ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ
but only with the right approach-sound and praise.
I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!
================================
From: Linda Daniel
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression
Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
save so many lives. I know at times I was so frustrated I
thought of giving up on Sun****ne but of course I never would
have but many people would have. The world just does not
know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
solve problems.
We will be here until late April and we really have no plans-
-just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time
you could meet us would be great. I drive so I would be
happy to come to you anytime anywhere!
We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people
would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went
to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.
He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
those on rollerblades! I have always used a gentle leader
in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!
Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose. He never
pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
a hard time getting him going--at times I think he could
smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.
I can never thank you enough for giving Sun****ne back!!!!!
I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
a problem with other people and dogs.
I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
and not move until we backed away-
- can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street
until I get his attention with treats.
They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.
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SEE?
> Sometimes cir***stances dictate doing something that is
> not optimal. All other things being equal I would have loved
> to simply wait for him to come in on his own from the start.
That's SHEER IDIOCY, jimmy.
> I would, however, never leave him outside all day on his own.
You mean on accHOWENTA you don't know HOWE to
pupperly handle, raise, an train your new RESCUE dog,
jimmy <{}: ~ ( >
LIKE THIS:
To: Jho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thursday, February 13, 2003 9:56 PM
Subject: hi
Hi Jerry,
Starr says hi, she's enjoying new freedom, iv been working her
off lead in my yard she comes every time. She got a little
spooked today I don't really know why but she wanted to go
inside, anyway when I asked her to come her attitude changed
as she took up her position in front of me.
Then she was easy to get under control.
Oh and with winter we're having let me tell you its great to have
a dog that doesn't pull on the lead anymore. With all this ice i'd
hate being dragged around.
Oh and i meant to tell you and never got around to it, i was able
to rescue a lost, fear/agressive dog from running all over the street
using the methods which are now almost second nature to me.
with body language, praise and distraction i got a dog that
i thought might try to bite me sitting happily at my side and
wanting to be pet and played with while we waited for the
dog officer to take him to the shelter so it all worked out well:-)
bye bye for now, crystal
============
> 7) He does display symptoms of what you call kennelosis
> but it is simply a side issue to the main problem, the canine
> equivalent of post traumatic stress disorder.
That's INSANE, jimmy, and it's a LIE, to boot <{}: ~ ( >
> If he had simply been left alone for years he would
> be in a lot better mental shape than he is currently.
DESPITE that your new RESCUE doggy AIN'T
GOT NO HISTORY of physical abuse:
"I have experience in rescues and have dealt with an abused
Klee Kai successfully. The problem is that the Eskie almost
seems to be, for want of a better term, autistic.
He is not aggressive at all or fearful. *(till jimmy "ADOPTED" it)
He sometimes tracks eye contact but usually not, unless you
get right in his line of sight even then it's just in passing. From
what I gather he has improved in foster care over the past three
months but is still very distant from everyone.
He doesn't seek out affection or contact but doesn't react
or struggle if picked up or petted according to the foster
mother. *(UNTIL jimmy tried to PUNISH IT)
He just seems oblivious to contact although he is alert
and pays attention to everything around him. He pretty
much ignores other dogs, other then to growl if they get
too insistent.
He doesn't lick, roll over, cringe or react much at all to
people close to him. He will come if you hold out a treat
but that is a recent development according to the foster mother.
Originally he didn't know what a treat was or that people gave them."
Of curse, offerin fearful dogs food bribes INCREASES
fear and mistrust and may cause them to ATTACK you.
> The main problem with your basic ideas regarding
> training/conditioning is that they won't work on a
> dog that is suffering from this level of trauma and
> active abuse.
Seems the ONLY ABUSE has been from *you*, jimmy <{}: ~ ) >
> I honestly think that you mean well,
You've NEVER been honest in your life, jimmy.
> I've even looked at your you tube videos.
Yeah. I noticed you NEVER READ my manual <{}: ~ ( >
> I do have to say though that I feel this situation is over your
> head and beyond your experience based on what I have read
> of your postings.
I've got forty five years of EXXXPERIENCE raising
and training mostly giant breed working dogs for families
and security specializing in temperament and behavior
problems and protection <{}: ~ ) >
AND my methods have a 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS rate as re****ted by
THOWESANDS of posters from ALL OVER the
WHOWEL WILD WORLD <{}: ~ ) >
LIKE THIS:
HOWEDY Group,
Here some SUCCESS STORIES ive had
using JERRY'S MANUAL
1) My dogz, two *****es - Vicious, barking, aggressive,
pulled on leash, wanted to kill any dogs they saw, fought
between each other. TWO WEEKS using Jerry's manual,
they were calm, friends, my companions.
2) ADDED A BEAGLE PUPPY (male) to my "PACK", the
girls had -NO PROBLEMS- with him from the moment I
dropped him by their noses.
3) My FRIENDS dogs 2 MALES barking and jumping
at the fence all night 3 DAYS TRAINING WITH JERRY'S
MANUAL they were CALMED AND HAVEN'T BARKED ONCE!
Added a NEW MALE DOG (2 yrs old) AND
WELCOMED HIM WITH NO WUCKAS !
4) POODLE that ATE food from the KITCHEN BENCH -
lock him in a box? NO! USE JERRYS MANUAL! 4 DAYS
AND HES NEVER DONE IT SINCE!
5) ABUSED DOGS AT THE SHELTER I WORK AT -
HAD TO BE FED WITH A BUCKET ON A STICK -
ONE WEEK ON JERRYS MANUAL, THE SUPERVISOR
TOLD ME TO PUT THEM IN THE PUBLIC KENNELS
FOR SALE !
Quite amazing to - I thought they were just dull coloured
dogs, but after I had removed the fear and anxiety their
hairs coloured up amazingly.
6) STAFFY FEMALE who would NOT DROP HER
BALL! She carried it around all day and night - 3
DAYS on jerrys MANUAL and she now DROPS
it when u ASK her to!
BWHWHAHAHAHAAHA !!!!
Nevyn
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From: "Nevyn" <greatd...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:05:45 +0800
Subject: Re: puppy wizzards training manual.
G'DAY STEVE.
I used to be like you.
Then I found a book...it was called... the
wits end dog training manual.... and then
there was light..and perfectly trained dogs.
--
Thankyou,
Nevyn
Nevyn E.D.
Veterinary Nurse & Animal Trainer
greatd...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Yu agonna get whats comin' to you...for
all the bad bad things you to do your...dog"
________________________
SEE? You've NEVER been honest in your entire pathetic
miserable EXXXCUSE makin life, have you, jimmy <{}: ~ ( >
> I think that the course we are following is the best way to help Bear.
You're a liar, a dog abuser, a coward, and mental case, jimmy.
> I know you were trying to get me to react to the various
> insults in your post but they really have no effect on me
Yeah. I couldn't heelp but notice~!
> since I feel pretty good about how we are approaching this.
Hmmm, let's see, jimmy: you wasted a couple hundred bucks
on your veterinarian/behaviorist malpracticioner who gave you
NO INFORMATION, and prescribed ANTI-PSYCHOTIC
medications that DON'T WORK and will "TRY" to start
a "positive reinforcement" obedience class in a couple months.
PATHETIC, ain't it, jimmy.
> I think we'll have to agree to disagree on how to handle this.
No, jimmy.
*You* can disagree with the SCIENCE of BEHAVIOR all you
like and I'LL take every op****tunity to IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE
an DISCREDIT you as the pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin
animal abusin mental case you are:
"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative reinforcement"
(1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING THEORY model involves
the USE OF PUNISHMENT. Of curse, Skinner has never to my
knowledge, demonstrated HOWE we escape the phenomenon
that an expected reward not received is experienced as a
punishment and can produce extensive and persistent aggression
(Azrin et al, 1966)."
IOW, emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov:
"Motivation Of The Resistance To Coercion "-- PAVLOV
"Reflexes of purpose and freedom" in the comparative
physiology of higher nervous activity, Institute of
Higher Nervous Activity and Neurophysiology, Academy
of Sciences, Moscow:
The most complex unconditioned "reflexes of aim and
freedom," discovered by I.P. Pavlov, are compared
with the "competence drive" and the "motivation of the
resistance to coercion," respectively, described by
contem****ary ethologists.
On the basis of the unconditioned "reflex of purpose,"
conditioned reflexes were developed in which positive
emotions arising in connection with the perfection of
a skill, irrespective of its pragmatic significance at
a given moment, serve as the reinforcement.
The unconditioned "reflex of freedom" is regarded as a
phylogenetic precursor of the will, and its acute extinction
as the physiological mechanism of hypnosis. It was
demonstrated experimentally that the appearance of the
state of "animal hypnosis" (immobilization catatonia) in
rabbits is accompanied by the predominance of electrical
activity and heat production in the right hemisphere, i.e.,
by symptoms which are found in hypnosis in man.
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"...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
change of these three fundamental processes -- excitation,
inhibition and disinhibition," Ivan P. Pavlov
Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH,
That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And
Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving Care Is At The
Root Of The Scientific Management Of Doggies.
"All animals learn best through play," Lorenz.
"The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
(1966) re****t a standard contingent reward/punishment
procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
six days the boys are re****ted to have been learning
new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS
were moved to a delayed contingency the behavior and
learning immediately deteriorated.
Programs utilizing the "contingencies of reinforcement
model" proposed by Skinner (1963) are no more well
established in research than the various dynamic
therapists."
Research in four areas : 1) direct evaluation of
programmed systems for learning; 2) reinforcement;
3) cognitive dissonance; and 4) motivation, MOST
SURELY DEMOLISH the claims of operant programers."
"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's social
behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966).
Some clinics have re****ted ELIMINATION of the
need for child THERAPY through changing the
clinical emphasis from clinical to parental
HANDLING of the child (Szrynski 1965).
A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases
SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
the parents tem****arily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."
A. S. Neill, The Famous Founder of The Summerhill
School, Used To Cure Delinquent Children Way Back
In The 1950's By Paying Them For Every Time They
Wet The Bed Or Broke A Pane Of Glass And Their
Behaviour Would Stop, - As If By MAGICK!
The Embry Study:
"While some may find it strange that reprimands
might increase the chances of a child going into
the street, the literature on the experimental analysis
of behavior is replete with examples of how "attention
to inappropriate behavior" increases the chances of
more inappropriate behavior.
Thus, suggestions to parents that they talk to or reason
with their children about da****ng into the street will
likely to have the opposite impact.
Reprimands do not punish unsafe behavior; they reward it."
Source:
"Reducing the Risk of Pedestrian Accidents to
Preschoolers by Parent Training and Symbolic
Modeling for Children: An Experimental Analysis
in the Natural Environment. Research Re****t
Number 2 of the Safe-Playing Project."
B.F. Skinner: Re-evaluation of Punishment
Punishment, unfortunately traditionally overused,
actually has been proven not effective at long-
term behavioral change, and creatures will find
other ways of getting what it wants. In "Freedom
and the control of men" American Scholar, Winter
1955-56, 25, 47-65. 1956 he states:
If we no longer resort to torture in what we call
the civilized world, we nevertheless still make
extensive use of punitive techniques in both
domestic and foreign relations. And apparently for
good reasons. Nature if not God has created man
in such a way that he can be controlled punitively.
People quickly become skillful punishers (if not,
thereby, skillful controllers), whereas alternative
positive measures are not easily learned.
The need for punishment seems to have the sup****t
of history, and alternative practices threaten the
cherished values of freedom and dignity.
Fear involved with punishment causes frustration:
with typical results loathing, hostility and apathy.
Skinner's teaching on the superiority of posittive
reinforcement's benefits for keeping desired behavior
have proved very valuable.
----------------------------
In the followin SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH STUDY, you may
substitute pronged spiked pinch or slip choke collars for shock
and add PUNISHMENT, SCOLDING, CRATING, and
witholding rewards, attention, and affection:
Psychological Effects
At issue is the question, --Do electronic training
devices elicit psychological responses?
"This section cites several research studies in which the
psychological impact of the use of electronic training devices
was analyzed. It is difficult, at best, for anyone to determine
the full psychological effect of these devices or training methods
until we can agree on exactly what constitutes a stress signal in
a domestic dog. Not only do none of the researchers agree on
what it is, but it varies from dog to dog.
It is even more difficult for humans to determine the full effect
of shock on a dog (or any animal) due to the animal's hard-wired
need to hide pain in order to survive in the wild.
Training dogs with the help of the shock collar: Short and long
term behavioral effects. (Schilder, M. & van der Borga, J. (2004).
Applied Animal Behavior Science, 85, 319-334).
The goal of this study was to determine the behavioral changes in
dogs during training using electronic training collars. Thirty-two
dogs were divided into two groups, each receiving both general
obedience and protection training.
One group was trained with shock collars and the other group
without shock collars. The dogs trained with the shock collars
displayed signs of stress: lowering of body posture, high-pitched
yelps, barks and squeals, avoidance, redirected aggression, and
tongue flicking.
It was also noted by the authors that, even during play and relaxed
walking, the group of dogs trained with shock collars continued to
show signs of stress while in the company of their handler.
The authors concluded that shock-collar training is stressful;
receiving shocks is a painful experience to dogs; and the shock
group of dogs evidently learned that the presence of their owner
(or his commands) announced the reception of shocks, even
outside of the normal training context.
They suggest that the welfare of these shocked dogs is at
stake, at least in the presence of their owners.
This study has come under considerable fire because the experience
of the handlers and dogs is not clear, and the level of shock is not
stated. With that said, it does suggest that dogs are stressed by the
experience of being shocked during training.
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Instrumental / Classical / Operant / Conditioning
CC / OC / IC / -P +P / +R -R / S R / R S
It's ALL The SAME SAME SAME SAME B.S.
<{); ~ ) >
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Subject: The Amazing Jerry's take on psychobabble
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:13:44 -0400
You might improve the learning of folk who actually
live with and train dogs to do useful things if you
excluded everyone who uses psychobabble from your lists.
I recommend to all of you who wish to taste the flavor
of sensible animal behaviorists to read THE MISBEHAVIOR
OF ORGANISMS, Breland and Breland.
This married pair of psychologists began the long trail
of highly trained animals who are symbolized by Shamu
eating a mackrel from a girl's hand instead of eating
the much more tasty pretty girl who is exactly the size
of the natural food of killer whales, seals. Yum!
The essay, by the way, is a chapter in B.F. Skinner's
summing up book, ***ULATIVE RECORD. They include a
sentence which more or less says, "unless you understand
the personal history of the particular animal, and the
history of this animal's species and group, the developmental
history of the animal, you cannot effectively train the animal.
Pigs root and hen's scratch, if you try to train hens without
scratching or pigs without scratching or pigeons without pecking,
you aren't going to have much success.
A conditional reflex is one which is learned, the original
primitive reflex occurs no matter what the history of the
animal, and is hard wired. If you train the animal to respond,
say by ringing a bell immediately before turning on a bright
light, then you've taught the animal and made his native reflex
of pupil constriction conditional upon the ringing of a bell.
Thorndyke added some terminology to this kind of training
and insisted that when you train the animal to make gross
motor responses that this learning is "instrumental", the
animal takes action and uses an instrument.
The Russian word translated as "conditional" in all other
contexts was mistranslated by Pavlov's American translator,
Horsley Gannt, as "conditioned" and so American psychology
went haring after phantasmagora.
The major theorists for the development of the language of
operant conditioning are Edward Thorndike, John Watson, and
B. F. Skinner. Their approach to behaviorism played a major
role in the development of American psychology.
They proposed that learning is the result of the application
of consequences; that is, learners begin to connect certain
responses with certain stimuli. This connection causes the
probability of the response to change (i.e., learning occurs.)
Thorndike labeled this type of learning instrumental. Using
consequences, he taught kittens to manipulate a latch (e.g.,
an instrument). Skinner renamed instrumental as "operant"
because in this learning, one is "operating" on, and is
influenced by, the environment. Where classical conditioning
illustrates S-->R learning, operant conditioning is often
viewed as R-->S learning since it is the consequence that
follows the response that influences whether the response
is likely or unlikely to occur again.
It is through operant conditioning that
voluntary responses are learned.
One should note that Russian Psychology did very well
without the operant language, and only pettifogging
university professors ought to worry about what kind
of label we attach to the learning. Pfui!
Even Skinner understood this!
And please note if you saw the original movie, THE
MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, you saw a Chinese
psychologist who was based on Andrew Salter,
CONDITIONED REFLEX THERAPY.
Alas, Salter didn't have a Ph.D., but he basically rescued
us from the long Freudian nightmare and returned psychotherapy
to a scientific basis. Alas, the 2nd movie didn't even cite
Salter as a source. "...all the highest nervous activity, as
it manifests itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a
continual change of these three fundamental processes --
excitation, inhibition and disinhibition." Ivan P. Pavlov
What's im****tant is, "does Shamu reliably eat
the fish and not the pretty girl?"
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
Who's Who Honoree since 1983
George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine you may find my resume
in Who's Who in Science and Technology I have been listed
in Who's Who in the S & SE USA since 1982, and in the big
books, Who's Who in the USA, WW in the World, WW in Medicine
etc, and WW in Science and Technology, since that date.
These are the Marquis Publications, the "real" WW, and
you can't get yourself into them.
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Subject: A Completely New Model Of Learning
From: The Puppy Faerie
Date: Thurs, Nov 24 2005 8:27 pm
LeeCharlesKelley Wrote:
From what I've read of Jerry's method it incor****ates
a completely new model of learning, which is based (in
simplest terms) on the idea that all behavior is the
result of finding a way to relieve emotional tension.
This is true not just for dogs but all animals.
You don't believe in the validity of this
particular model of learning? You don't
think it makes sense?
Fine, I guess.
But it makes total sense to me.
And it made sense to Pavlov, too,
though not many people know this.
"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement."
IOW, emotions, not outside rewards, are
what reinforces any behavior.
Finn once saw a small mouse come out of a hole
atthe base of a tree. Needless to say his prey
instinct kicked in BIG TIME and he chased it
back into the hole. This was 7 years before
he died. Up until the very last time he walked
through that section of the park (an hour before
he went) he checked the base of that tree.
He saw that mouse exactly *once*....he never
saw it again. Don't we all have stories like
that?
Especially those of us with dogs whose
prey drives are pretty intense?
And there are lots of examples that may not
even require the prey drive to be active,
just a strong desire to do something: a dog
who wants to escape from the back yard will
learn how to do it once and never forget it,
a dog who wants to jump on the couch or the
bed doesn't need any repetitions to "reinforce"
or re-learn the behavior.
If something is im****tant to a dog, he'll
learn how to do it. Once he learns it, he
learns it. The trick to getting him to
"unlearn" it, is to give him a more
emotionally satisfying replacement behavior.
With Oscar and the cat, the more satisfying
behavior was relating to me instead of the cat.
(He's a Lab, with a strong need for social
connections, so that was pretty easy.)
I've been experimenting recently with Jerry
Howe's method of using a sound distraction,
then praising the dog, without any physical
contact, for 15 seconds.
My initial reaction to his technique was that
it was silly to keep praising the dog that long.
I mean, Jerry's a nut, right?
But in every case except one, when I've followed
the exercise exactly, I've seen a definite
physiological change take place in the dog -
-yawning or stretching have been the usual
indicators -- and after only a few repetitions,
the dog often relaxes, curls up, and goes to sleep!
I've tried this on barking, counter-surfing,
separation anxiety, even two dogs who live
together and fight constantly. I was pretty
amazed when I saw this little Boston give up
her aggression and start to yawn!
It's too early for me to be convinced that it
will work every single time with every single
dog, or that it will even have a lasting effect
on these dogs, but so far I think that it's
effective at reducing emotional tension, which,
as you know, I believe that all behavior comes
from the dog trying to find a way to reduce
emotional tension. If you give the dog a
replacement behavior that successfully reduces
emotional tension, the first behavior will no
longer be necessary and the dog will stop doing it.
From: "LeeCharlesKelley" <kelleymet...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> -
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:03:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Has anyone read . .
Leah:
> I'm curious now. Are there any of our more
> experienced and educated trainers (Lynn, Diane,
> Janet, Belinda, et al) who have heard of this
> as a viable method?
Kelley: Doubtful, since being "educated" in this
case means being indocrinated into a total
misunderstanding about how a dog's mind actually
operates.
As I said in my post, everything the experts say
about dogs is wrong. If the common folklore was
true, what I've been doing wouldn't work at all,
ever. And it not only works, it works better
than the accepted, prescribed way of doing things.
It's good that you're curious, but I wouldn't look
to any "educated" trainers for answers, I'd look to
your dogs.
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From: "LeeCharlesKelley" <kelleymet...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 08:14:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Counter Cruising must stop
Leah:>I did try to get my head around your theories, but
I can't buy them. praise *reinforces* the dog's behavior
I'll give you an easier example: say you're walking through
the park with your dog. She starts walking a little ahead
of you but not isn't intensely focused on something in the
environment, she's just a little restless to move ahead.
You praise her entususiastically and she turns and comes
back to your side. If praise were only a reinforcer, praising
her for moving ahead of you would have made her feel that
*that* behavior was good and reinforced it, right?
She would have been more likely to
stay in front of you than come back.
So in this example how and why did praise have the
opposite effect and *change* the behavior rather
than reinforce it?
From: "LeeCharlesKelley" <kelleymet...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 18:46:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Counter Cruising must stop
John:>I dunno. In both of these situations, praise
stopped the undesirable behavior. I would guess that
the praise meant more to your dog at that point than
the object he was after.
That's it pretty much in a nutshell. The dog was looking
for a way to relieve mild emotional tension. The behavior
was given up voluntarily when the dog found another source
of emotional satisfaction, being praised. Praise works,
as both a reward and a "correction", because it
changes the dog's emotional state. Behavior is caused by
emotion. When you change a dog's emotional state, you
automatically change his behavior.
John: > What happens if that balance is disturbed. What
happens if the object your dog is going after means more
to them than your praise,
Then praise wouldn't have any effect on the behavior. In
order to use praise in this way you have to be able to "read"
the dog's emotions.
Although, I take that back. That's not necessarily true.
I once got an aggressive dog at the dog run to almost give
up her aggression by praising her every time she growled at
a dog who came too close. I wasn't doing it on purpose.
I was just trying to calm her nerves, but I noticed that
when I began praising her, her psychic buffer zone started
about fifteen feet away from where we were sitting.
But after praising her for ten minutes or so, she'd let a
dog get within five feet or less before the growls started
escaping from her throat. She even did the thing with her
nose, where she'd start to try and sniff the dog from her
perch on the park bench before the growl in her throat got
loose.
I thought she was very sweet underneath her swagger
and felt that with enough encouragement she might be
able to get off her ass and actually go play with some
of the other dogs, but her owner thought I was
"encouraging" her aggression and gave us both a good
scolding.
She was quite right to scold me. I hadn't been asked to
change her dog's behavior. But the dog hadn't been doing
a damn thing when the owner came over, grabbed her
roughly by the collar, held her snout and shouted in her face.
John:>or what happens if you do not praise them for a
while when they attempt to perform the undesired behavior?
I'm not sure I understand the question. Praising a bad
behavior, if done in the right situation, with the right
timing, and with four or five repetitions, should get the
dog to totally give up the desire to produce the behavior
ever again, at least in that location.
Remember, the desire to produce the behavior comes from
internal emotional tension. If that tension is resolved
through praise (or whatever tactic you use), the dog will
have learned that the behavior it had wanted to produce
didn't get a successful result, but that listening to you
(or responding to whatever tactic you used to relieve the
tension) *did*.
> > So, I used his "technique" on Pan's stick chewing.
Yeah, but NON VIOLENT METHODS DO NOT WORK
for DOG ABUSERS:
Re: Your Training Modality is Driving Your Dogs Crazy
Leah:>>Is there something wrong with being curious?
Morrison:>You're not curious, Leah. IMO, you're just wishy-washy.
Kelley: I don't have the same history that you seem
to have with Leah, but I hardly think being open to
exploring new ideas qualifies as being "wishy-washy".
To me it shows intelligence. But then, from what I've
seen, you've demonstrated a singular kind of black
and-white mentality and a highly ignorant closed-mindedness.
Morrison:>You keep thinking that there's some "new"
method out there that will VOILA!, magically transform
you into a great trainer, and overnight, too.
> It just doesn't work that way.
Kelley: Actually, that's *exactly* how it worked with me.
Within the first day of using these techniques I went from
becoming a run-of-the-mill dog trainer to being pretty damn
good, if I do say so myself, and all simply by testing the
techniques, just to see if they worked.
I've said from the beginning that if I can get the kind of
amazing results I do when I'm not really a dog trainer at
heart, but a writer, then someone who's really a dog trainer
at heart would become a far better trainer than I am instantly,
just by using these methods.
Somewhere along the line, however, I discovered a dirty
little secret about the mentality of most dog trainers: they
only *became* trainers because they liked the feeling of
power and control it gave them. If that's the case with
you, then you definitely wouldn't like natural dog training
because it ultimately teaches a dog how to control his own
behavior.
In fact in some ways, it forces you to turn your need for
control over to the dog because the method only works
when you put your trust in a dog's natural instincts
instead of fighting against them all the time.
That's because when you put yourself in alignment
with a dog's instincts, the dog will naturally obey
you under any and all cir***stances because group
harmony and cooperation, when properly nurtured,
are the most fundamental aspects of a dog's nature.
I came across the following quote recently, and though
I have no idea who Edward Hoagland is, I think what
he says here speaks volumes: "In order to really enjoy
a dog, one doesn't merely try to train him to be semi-human.
The point of it is to open oneself to the possibility of
becoming partly a dog." - Edward Hoagland
Leah:>>This "praise the dog when he misbehaves"
thing keeps coming up, and nobody has been able
to explain it to me.
Morrison:>That's because no one can.
Actually, Jerry Howe explains it pretty well.
And as for the incident I related where I praised my
dog when he found a juicy chicken breast and my praise
caused him to drop it, and subsequently got him to stop
scavenging altogether, merely by praising him everytime
he found something, the answer is pretty clear.
He didn't pick up that chicken breast because he was
hungry, he did it because he was looking for something
to do that would satisfy an inner emotional need, relating
to his instincts.
When I praised him, suddenly and very enthusiastically, he
dropped the chicken breast because the praise provided him
with more emotional satisfaction than the chicken breast
did at that particular moment.
You could look at this as being an example of pure
operant conditioning, if you like (though you'd be
wrong), but it would still mean that you would have
to give up your beliefs about what praise is and how
and why it works, and you don't strike me as someone
who's capable of even *questioning* your beliefs, let
alone capable of giving them up.
Morrison:>every single method out there is based on CC
and/or OC. That's a fact.
No, it's not a fact. The only reason it seems factual to
you is because the basic premise of behavioral science is
tautological in nature (and also because, IMO, you have a
tiny mind).
In my estimation it's more likely that there are little
green men on Mars than that what you think is operant
conditioning is what's really taking place when a dog
learns *anything*.
Dogs do not learn things by association or by repetition
or by trial and error, but through their emotions, pure
and simple.
Even Pavlov said: "Positive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective of its pragmatic
significance at a given moment, serve as the reinforcement."
Of course, even Pavlov got it wrong on the most basic
level, since there really is no such thing as a reinforcement,
but that's another story for another day.
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