HOWEDY jimmy,
I'm replyin to mary's imbecillic post directly to *you*
so's there'll be NO WAY you can miss it <{}: ~ ) >
You'll get used to the shame guilt humiliation
and embarrassment in due curse *(measured
in MINUTES, not days or months) <{}'; ~ ) >
"Mary Healey" <ameszoo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> Jim Manson <Jim@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> ... We can give him a treat but if his anxiety level is above "normal",
What level of anXXXIHOWESNESS is "NORMAL"?
>> such as with a leash, he will ignore it completely.
Oh well, LUCKY he don't BITE you for that <{}: ~ ) >
LIKE THIS:
"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING
THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT.
Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge,
demonstrated HOWE we escape the phenomenon that
an expected reward not received is experienced as a
punishment and can produce extensive and persistent
aggression (Azrin et al, 1966)."
>> Obviously the treats are a take or leave it thing for him.
No, "treats" offered to fearful dogs INCREASES fear behavior <{}: ~ ( >
> It's not so much that the treats are a "take it or leave it",
RIGHT~!
It's that dogs is SCAVENGERS who STEAL scraps of
food an run to HIDE to eat it with their back to the wall
in a heightened state of alert <{}: ~ ( >
> but that his stress level/anxiety is too high
On accHOWENTA his RESCUER got IT on a choke collar, mary <{}: ~ ( >
> for him to notice the treats.
You think jimmy's RESCUE dog don't notice the bribes, mary?
> Give it time (measured in months, not days).
You mean YOU GOT NO IDEA HOWE to TRAIN this dog, mary?
> As Janet said,
janet is a pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin animal
murderin MENTAL CASE, accordin to her own POSTED
CASE HISTORY, remember, mary??
> just you being the undemanding, dependable, ever-present
> body in the room is probably as much pressure as Bear can
> take right now.
That's INSANE, mary. jimmy has been TRAININ his RESCUE dog.
> Dogs, even very damaged dogs, are quite adaptable.
That so, mary? Here's a few of your own fear aggressive
hyperactive HOWETA CON-TROLL dogs:
"Sam ate the complete works of Charles Dickens, a heating pad,
a brand new pair of gl*****, a baggie full of metal staples,
and a 3'x3' chunk of the kitchen linoleum. And the plugs off
many of the electrical appliances. And various personal bits
out of every pair of jeans and underwear I possessed."
"Sam started chasing cars at 10 weeks and never did stop."
Maybe you got a case of the cobbler's shoeless kids,
eh, PROFESSIONAL DOG TRAINER mary?:
"I use him as a demonstration dog in obedience cl*****.
Sam started chasing cars at 10 weeks and never did stop."
"He did learn to control himself,"
"He did learn to control himself,"
"He did learn to control himself,"
Sam is why I'm "allergic" to puppies, but also why I
adore obnoxious adolescent dawgs. I dragged him to
obedience class when he was 6 months old, he dragged
me to obedience class (and agility class, and clicker
training class, and seminars, and show-n-gos, and fun
matches) for the next 4 years.
The world is a safer place now for dirty underwear and
plastic baggies.
I can go back to leaving the laundry basket on the floor.
And the trash cans. And I can remove my watch and set it
down without finding bits of its little crystal carcass in
Sam's crate. I won't have to flush Sam out from under the
dinner table, or eat with hot dogbreath steaming up my leg.
Heck, I still have an ACD who adores all people (also
not "normal" breed behavior!), but he's very breed-
typical in his attempts to control and "police" the
behavior of other dogs.
when Sam was injured in a scrap with Ranger I chose to
treat him at home - without veterinary care. Cost *was*
a consideration. He lost part of one ear, with the usual
impressive spattering of gore."
You mean he was DOG AGGRESSIVE, don't you, mary <{}: ~ ( >
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
"Left to his own devices, he'd be picking fights and
bossing everydoggy. That's why he's not left to his
own devices.
That's why he's not left to his own devices.
I wouldn't take Ranger to a dog park.
I have let him off lead, but only to play fetch
(he's ball obsessed) and never with strange dogs
around.
He can be a gentleman, but I can't depend on it."
Ooooooh! SCARY, ain't it, mary healey you
pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin dog
abusing mental case!
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>> It's going to be a long road for the little guy
Naaaaah?
>> but we'll make it together.
INDEED?
> Good for you!
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!:
HOWEDY mary healey, my MOST FAVORITE
Professional OBEDIENCE TRAINER to IDENTIFY
EXXXPOSE an DISCREDIT as a PATHETIC LIAR
DOG ABUSER COWARD FRAUD and MENTAL CASE,
"Mary Healey" <ameszoo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> ashley ross <oeiwfcpksnbq@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> It is easier to get two young animals to live in harmony
True, but ONLY if you don't understand and cannot apply
effective scientific Pavlovian and Ericksonian CONditioning.
OtherWIZE, gettin ANY two critters to be PALS is EZ <{}: ~ ) >
> than it is to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
Oh well, no WONder you're havin PROBLEMS. The
animal lovers here DON'T BELIEVE in G-D, Heaven,
or animal rights, human decency, morals, ethics, and
principles.
OtherWIZE, they'd NEVER DO what they DO and DENY
what they DO, to innocent defenseless dumb critters, like
jerking, choking, shocking, locking them in boxes and
ignoring their cries and surgically ***ually mutilating them.
WOULD THEY <{}: ~ ( >
> Or was that something about camels?
Perhaps, or perhaps it had sumpthin to do with a
pig's arse, mary. You'd know all abHOWET that.
> As I understand it,
You understand NUTHIN, you pathetic miserable
stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin mental case.
> young animals mature into adults.
NOT IF YOU MURDER THEM when they get to their
"adolescent rebelliHOWES stage," THEY DON'T.
> I've heard many horror stories about young animals,
> as they matured, deciding that, yes, their housemate
> Must Die NOW.
Oh, you mean YOUR OWN defenseless dumb critters, mary?
ALL aggression is FEAR. ALL FEAR is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
> Idiot spammers make good housemates!
You wanna see your own POSTED CASE HISTORY AGAIN, mary?
>> If you are getting your new pet from a shelter then you should
>> ask the staff about its behaviour towards other animals;
That's a EXXXCELLENT point~! If the so called SHELTERS
understood EFFECTIVE NON PHYSICAL SCIENTIFIC
behavior modification they WOULDN'T TAKE IN animals,
they'd REHABILITATE them in their original HOWESES.
The only critters endin up in "SHELTERS" would be STRAYS
and unplanned critters in need of loving HOWESES <{}: ~ ) >
WOULDN'T YOU AGREE, dog abuser??
>> does it have a history of aggression toward other animals?
THAT'S ABSURD.
> Don't believe a word they say.
POT. KETTLE. BLACK, eh, mary??
> They're caring for dozens or hundreds of animals at a time
AS STATED. They're MAKIN MONEY hand over fist, comin
an goin, RIPPIN PEOPLE OFF for their hard earned dough at
the EXXXPENSE of their beloved pet's lives <{}: ~ ( >
JUST LIKE HOWE YOU DO with your FRAUDULENT
OBEDIENCE TRAINING, mary, you dog abusin mental case.
> and you cannot expect them to spend the time
> to thoroughly evaluate each one.
No, mary, you can't EXXXPECT them to UNDERSTAND
the SCIENCE of BEHAVIOR <{}: ~ ( >
> You also cannot expect the average shelter worker or
> volunteer to have sufficient understanding of animal
> behavior to accurately recognize what they're seeing.
Oh, you mean, LIKE THIS "average shelter worker or volunteer", mary?:
Newsgroups: alt.med.veterinary
Subject: Euthanasia certification cl*****?
"Michael A. Ball" <Guardian@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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teaches euthanasia certification cl***** in most states? I
live in Tennessee. Are the cl***** usually open to anyone with
the fee? How much is the fee apt to be?
The shelter wants to keep me cleaning kennels the rest of my
life, but I would like to expand my capabilities. Thank you.
________________________
Whatever it takes.
Subject: Re: Euthanasia certification cl*****?
On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:15:30 -0400, sighthounds & siberians
<x@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>Anyway, Michael, for some reason I never get your posts, just see the
>responses. I don't know how things are done in Tennessee, but check
>with your regional HSUS office - that's who ran the cl***** in Ohio a
>few years back. Sorry, I don't recall what the fee was, can't even
>remember whether or not it was under or over $100. At that time, the
>cl***** were pretty much open to anyone who signed up and paid the
>fee.
Sally, I don't know why you don't see my posts, but I rarely post to
this particular news group. I will check with the regional HSUS office!
That's a great idea! Thanks!
I did find that CET cl***** are hold at many places. I just need to find
a close class, and pay the fee: about $220.00 or so. I have enough
chemistry, physiology and anatomy behind me, to make the class fairly
easy.
__________________________
When I count my blessings, I count my dog twice.
--------------------
"After Numerous Training Cl*****, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness. Either
she was going to kill Tasha, my Siberian with
the rock steady temperament, or Tasha was
going tokill her, right in front of us. My DH's
first dog, and still the canine love of his life,"
racetrack silly <{) : ~ ( >
"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.
I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia
tech at our local shelter for a while, and
I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted
animals.
This however has nothing at all to do with
responsible breeders, because responsible
breeders don't contribute to that problem,"
Mustang Sally.
"Michael A. Ball" <Guardian@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:27:35 -0400, "Sharon Too"
<askformyaddy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>...You think that euthanizing an animal does not require knowledge of a
>veterinarian? So many things can go wrong in a euthanasia not making it
>humane. And certain conditions only a doctor would be able to diagnosis
>could change the way a euthanasia is performed.
I did not make that claim; however, it is correct. Becoming a certified
euthanasia technician does require some veterinary knowledge, and some
chemistry is helpful.
Please, tell us some of those, "So many things can go wrong in a
euthanasia not making it humane." There might be one I'm not familiar
with. If you can't think of any, off the top of your head, just say so,
and I will tell you some of the things that can go wrong. I wonder, do
you think I'm clueless about this topic? LOL
The way things are done in a veterinarian's office are generally far
different from how they are done in the back of some shelter. I don't
intend to work in a vet's office!
>> In other words, I was scoffing at a statement I resented for wasting
the
>> second it took to read it.
>>
>> My sense of humor seems to be somewhat different from most folks.
>
>I wasn't laughing. Instead of being snarky to me, how about you ask me to
>clarify. I certainly wouldn't want somebody with your arogant attitude to
>euthanize my pet.
Okay, I've asked you to clarify now. Happy? "Arrogant"? LOL Silly, I am
one of the most humble people you'll ever encounter. However, I have
learned to always consider the source. And if you think I'm going to let
your silly little mind set bother me, you should reconsider.
Incidentally, whenever, I have a personal pet killed, it is done by
someone who has every bit of self confidence, [arrogance, if you
prefer], as I do.
I'll be looking forward to hearing about those
complications you mentioned.
________________________
LIKE THIS:
Newsgroups: alt.fifty-plus.friends
From: Michael A. Ball <Guard...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 18:52:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Superstitious?(sp)
On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 22:43:24 GMT,
**Dalin** <l...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Care to tell us why you feel that way?
> I won't try and argue with you or change
> your mind, but what happened to put you
> off cats above all other creatures?
I've never liked cats, because their movements are too
much like those of rats. Since childhood, I viewed cats
as no more than targets.
On 12-23-95, I killed a cat that my wife had allowed her
daughter to bring into the house, as a pet, several days
earlier. The cat was a stray and having it in the house
was contrary to our agreement for living here.
My wife moved out , permanently, that night.
Ten months later, she moved out of this county--deliberately
withholding her new address. I haven't heard from her since.
Thank you for not trying to change my mind. I won't argue
about this issue. Many people hate cats; perhaps most of
them are more discrete about voicing their opinions. I
try not to say much, but sometimes, I can't resist.
Michael
Whatever it takes.
------------------
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Subject: "Secret Cutting"
Groups: alt.sup****t.depression
From: Michael Ball
Date: Tues, May 30 2000 12:00 am
Email: "Michael Ball" <Guard...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
The movie, "Secret Cutting" airs tonight at
9:00 p.m. eastern, on USA Network.
-----------
Groups: alt.sup****t.depression
From: Michael Ball
Date: Mon, Dec 27 1999 12:00 am
Howard Hong wrote,
> "If I wanted more of this feeling, then
> it would probably be a pleasure, no?"
I almost replied, "WRONG!," and offered this explanation:
I sometimes makes little cuts under my watchband, with a
razor blade.
Although there is some physical pain, I feel triumphant
because Michael Ball is getting a little dose of what he
deserves. So, it is a pleasure.
How odd; even sensations that most people would rate as
bad, sick, horrible, etc., can be and are pleasures--if
we want them. I never thought of those insignificant
little cuts specifically as pleasures, but they are!
I love it when little streams of blood trickle down my arm.
And I like the reminder pain over the following couple of
days, during the healing process.
------------
Subject: Prozac
Groups: alt.sup****t.depression
From: Michael Ball - view profile
Date: Mon, Aug 14 2000 12:00 am
Prozac affects everyone differently. Please, don't allow
other's Prozac experiences to influence you too much.
I take another medicine that makes me tired; so, I can't
attribute fatigue to Prozac. FWIW, fatigue is a common
complaint. I don't believe Prozac has any effect on one's
immune system. In my humble opinion, Tabasco Sauce and
jalapeno peppers are far more effective than any flu shot!
:-) I haven't had a cold in years. :-)
Wait a minute! A cat lover!? Oh, well, I suppose someone has to...
(((K))) I hope you're doing well today.
Michael
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Groups: alt.sup****t.depression
From: Michael Ball
Date: Mon, Mar 13 2000 12:00 am
"Rage"? "Again"? I wonder if a lot of folks get angry
at their therapists, and why? My therapist used to try
to convince me that Michael Ball is not so bad. That
annoyed me so much! I'm not sure what bothered me most:
the fact that I couldn't seem to convince him of the truth;
or the thought that he was trying to trick me; or something
entirely different.
He was a nice guy, but I just couldn't get him to see the
real me. Ha! If I had, he might have stopped wasting his
effort! We eventually began working on his problems. :-)
Misplaced aggression? Is that why we tend to attack
some of those who want to "help" us?
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michael VOLUNTEERS at the shelter MURDERIN DOGS for
PLEASURE (and a little FREE dog food) and arbritrarily
and criminally MURDERS INNOCENT KATS on the street
(JUST LIKE HOWER OWN diddler does) for HIS OWN SADISTIC
PLEASURE when he AIN'T MURDERIN DOGS FOR HIS OWN PLEASURE at the
"SHELTER":
From: "Michael A. Ball" <Guard...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:35:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Ethical Dilemma (Son bitten by dog
in schoolyard) (long)
"AussieResc" <aussier...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote>
> I find this amazing that someone who posts on a
> board for rescue would have this attitude.
> Pat
This NG is specifically for dog rescue. I hate cats
and never give a cat an even break--unless they just
happen to break in the middle.
When I started to work at the animal shelter, cleaning
kennels, I was asked if I liked cats. I replied
enthusiastically, "Yes, if they are cooked right!"
I've never had to work with the cats! :-)
We're all different.
Michael
Groups: alt.sup****t.depression
From: Michael A. Ball
Date: Sun, Mar 14 2004 6:25 pm
On 14 Mar 2004 13:48:35 -0800, crysal...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(crysalis) wrote:
> [...]Tomorrow I see the Dr. I hope they tell
> me something good. [...]
I hope he tells you "something good" too! If you were
asked to list the top three good things you'd like for
him to tell you, what would they be?
I put myself in your shoes for a minute and discovered
that question is not as simple as it sounds. We don't
always know how to heal the pain or even what is causing
the pain: we only know that we hurt.
Maybe your doctor will tell you that it is not your skin
that you want to escape, but everything inside of that
skin" your..."self"!
I'm reminded of a time in my life when I applied to enter
a *** reassignment program. Fortunately, during the initial
evaluation process, it was determined that I wasn't
trans***ual, and didn't want to be a woman: I just didn't
want to be Michael Ball.
That was a day of considerable relief, but also one of great
sadness and hopelessness. There would be no Andrea Beck,
and for the time being, no escape from MB.
Best wishes tomorrow. I hope you'll tell us how things went
Michael
A day without recoil is like a day without sun****ne!
-------------
From: Michael A. Ball
Date: Sat, Apr 8 2006 3:51 pm
>"Andrew A. Nanton" <a.nan...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
>> What is the best way to perform home euthanasia on a dog?
>> I want to put down the family pet but I don't have a lot
>> of money and if there is a way to do it humanely and cheaply,
>> I will.
>
>> All replies appreciated.
>> Andrew Nanton
That's a lot of wisdom--for a "top poster".
$50.00 for euthanasia and cremation is a real bargain.
The same service would be about $120.00 for a 40# dog,
in this area.
You know, I don't believe in beating around the bush much.
I believe we ought to say what's on our mind. I see you
hold a similar view. Of course, having a small mind
complicates things. That was quite a generalization you
made: "Anybody that can't afford that ($50.00 to have
their pet killed) shouldn't have a pet in the first place!"
Andrew Nanton didn't mention that the family pet was sick
or aged. So, for all we know, the family is saying good
bye to their pet because they can't afford $50.00 to keep
it alive!
If that is the case, they probably don't have $50.00 to
kill their pet! Either way, they are trying to do the
right thing.
Because of money, my pet owner****p days are running out.
I hope you are never faced with that situation.
Whatever it takes.
----------
From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> -
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 18:52:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Symphony rests in Peace.
Hello michael,
"Michael A. Ball" <Guard...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> As expected, Symphony, the 12 week old puppy,
> bite case, was euthanized today.
No she wasn't euthanized, she was MURDERED,
because you do that stuff to dogs for a living for
yourself. You're part of the problem, michael.
> He won't be startled, terrified or confused anymore.
That IS reassuring, michael. Is that what your 'boss' told you?
> I like to believe he has perfect hearing now.
I'd prefer you'd take his place.
> Thanks to everyone who made recommendations,
> and offered insight, prayers and encouragement.
BWWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
YOU KILL DOGS FOR A LIVING, michael.
> I understood the liability issue long before meeting
> Symphony, but Lynn K.'s experience
Your pal lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn is a pathological
liar and notorious dog abuser, like yourself, you puke.
> with a $30K settlement was a sobering thought.
What would be sobering would be to THINK about what you're doing.
> Still, if there was anyway to nullify that liability and
> have this puppy adopted, I wanted to find it.
Sorry mikey, you just don't have the knowHOWE.
------------
> Also, some shelters seem to have the attitude that any placement
> is better than keeping the critter at the shelter, so they tend to be
> overly optimistic about potential adoptees, sometimes to the point
> of misrepresenting the animal.
Oh, you mean INSTEAD of MURDERIN 67% of their "RESCUES"?
LIKE THIS:
From: lucyaa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tues, May 24 2005 3:06 am
sighthounds & siberians wrote:
> On 23 May 2005 10:41:59 -0700, TheAmazingPuppyWiz...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> > HOWEDY racetrack silly,
> > sighthounds & siberians wrote:
> >> On 21 May 2005 19:23:51 -0700, dinglejingl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> >> <major snippage>
> >> I'm neither a trainer nor an expert,
> > RIGHT. But you ARE a mentally ill lying
> > dog abusing punk thug coward and president
> > of the GH RESCUE that MURDERS 66% of their
> > RESCUE dogs.
> Are you reading this, Lucy? The above is a flat-out lie.
From:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.pets.dogs.behavior/msg/b51f2b...
<<It probably wouldn't hurt, and a dose of reality might be helpful,
too. I'm president of the board of our local shelter. The new board
has almost succeeded in pulling the APL out of financial ruin, and
very soon now we'll be able to turn our attention to making
improvements in our shelter, increasing adoptions, etc. We are in the
largest county in our state, and it's also one of the poorest. We
take in around 3,000 animals a year and euthanize two-thirds of them.>>
Nope. No lie. Two thirds=66%. Actually, closer to 67%. IS that really
what "rescue" means, Sally? Killing 2 out of every 3 dogs one
"rescues"?
Geeez!
> Does that matter to you at all, or is it OK for Jerry to make
> up whatever **** he wants to 'sup****t' his lunatic claims?
What exactly was "made up" by Jerry, then? The part about your "mental
illness"? Why, you call him "lunatic", so you're both even on that.
Though I still can't help wondering how "sane" someone who loves dogs
can be when running a shelter that puts down two thirds of the dogs it
"rescues".
> Mustang Sally (disgusted)
Lucy (likewise)
From: sighthounds etc. <greypigho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:08:30 -0500
Subject: Re: Melinda/Sally
On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:45:21 GMT, Suja <spana...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>Gwen Watson wrote:
>> The family is giving the dog up because apparently
>> he killed the next door neighbors cat. Out of respect
>> to the next door neighbors these people have chosen
>> to find new home for their malamute. It is really
>> very sad story they have told. For one IMO it
>> is the neighbors fault that their cat got into Miko's
>> yard and was killed.
> I don't get it. How is it the dog's fault that a furry critter that got
> into his yard got killed? If I were in these people's shoes, I would
> very politely request that the neighbors keep their animals off my
> property, but that's just me.
That's what I would do too. There have been a number of cats killed
here in our yard, by sighthounds or Siberians or a combination of the
above. They are apparently strays (our neighbor two doors down feeds
the stray cats, putting the food in the yard between us, what a good
idea). I don't like it at all, as we love cats and have indoor cats
(which our dogs are fine with), but I can't prevent it and it's not
our fault or our dogs' fault.
>> Though I can also understand
>> the situation in some ways. Pretty rotten deal. I also
>> wasn't aware that Malamute rescue is so full. Seems
>> as bad as GSD and Lab rescue. Pretty sad.
> All the rescues are always full, Gwen. The problem with
> Malamute rescue isn't that there is an overwhelming number
> of dogs like there is with Labs and GSDs (271 as opposed to
> the thousands), but there are very few homes that are suitable
> for them. The local Mal rescue person was telling me that
> their rescue is basically run by 7 or 8 volunteers, and they
> end up turning down 1/2 to 2/3rds of the applicants.
>
> They have anywhere between 2 to 12 dogs in rescue at one time.
> They don't do adoption days (where the dogs are displayed in
> PetsMart or some such), because every single person who sees
> one of these dogs wants to go home with them without realizing
> what they're getting themselves into.
Same situation with Sibes, but even more people
want those pretty fluffy dogs with blue eyes.
Sally Hennessey
--------------------
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001
Subject: Re: shock collars
Sally Hennessey <greyho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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from being incredibly offensive and self-
righteous, this post shows and absence of knowledge
in the differences in dogs' temperaments, or perhaps
a lack of ability to perceive same.
The fact that you, Alison, have never met a dog to
whom corrections and discomfort, even pain, were
unim****tant does not mean that such dogs do not exist.
What it means is that you don't know as much about
dogs as you think you do, and you surely don't know
a damn thing about Harlan or anyone else's dog here.
I had a Dalmatian that would instigate fights with
one of her housemates; that dog had no fear or
anything, and pain incurred during a fight meant
nothing to her.
I know that that dog is not unique, and I'm sure many
people here can tell similar stories. The fact that
you, Alison, continue to say things to people such as
what you said to Theresa about causing her dog to
suffer (at least I guess that's what you meant by
"you cause your dog suffers" - - must be the King's
English you guys talk about over there) means that
you are an ignorant, arrogant, insensitive person
who is not worth further notice.
Sally Hennessey
"Sally Hennessey" <greyho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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Nope. No more than you'd convince Patch that
prongs and e-collars, in the right hands, are not
intrinsically abusive; or that dogs trained properly
with prongs or e-collars are not fearful, in pain, or
intimidated; or that any one of us here knows our
own dogs and their reactions better than someone
who has never seen them or us...hmmm.
I'm starting to see some similarities here.
Sally Hennessey
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Subject: Re: another eevil pit bull story
Date: 2003-10-08 09:12:56 PST
On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:33:44 -0500, Gwen Watson
<g...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>culprit wrote:
>> "sighthounds etc." <greypigho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
>> message news:f8b8ov46ctu1ds18oliq439g10rod03mto@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > ADD and OCD are mental illnesses?
>> oh, BTW...
>> http://www.nami.org/Content/NavigationMenu/Inform_Yourself/Abou
t_M ental_Illness/About_Mental_Illness.htm
>> -kelly
> Yep there it is NAMI. And yes ADHD or ADD or considered
> as a mental illness in which one can apply for many different
> things even in the work force in which they are suppose to
> accomodate you to help improve your condition.
>But I don't care to go there so I am one of those untreated
>ADHD people in the world. Whatever I am nearly 50 and have
>gotten along just fine. Or so I feel fulfilled.
I guess this is just one of those instances in which I feel
that the US is turning into a nation of victims. And please,
don't anybody jump all over me, because I am not talking about
anyone personally. Everything seems to be a compensatable (not
sure if that's actually a word) disability. If 3/4 of the people are
physically disabled or mentally ill, what's 'normal'?
Terrible parents, painful childhoods, physical illnesses,
psychological problems, etc. are all part of who a person is,
and therefore how s/he sees the world and interacts in it. But
life isn't about who you are and what you've got, it's what
you do with it. For me anyway, the more I think of myself as
partially disabled, the more I am that way.
Sorry, I don't mean to sound like Dr. Phil.
Mustang Sally
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WHO'S THE MENTAL CASE, People??
> Observe the critter for yourself, keeping in mind that the shelter
> environment tends to be stressful and the animal's behavior under
> different cir***stances might be completely different.
That's ABSURD.
> Ultimately, the decision is yours. The responsibility is yours,
> whether the advice you receive is good, bad, or indifferent.
You also wrote:
> (Remember - Ignore the local lunatic!
Oh, you mean The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely
Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child,
*****, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And
Horsey Wizard, mary?
> You can't miss him.)
You mean, HE CAN'T MISS *YOU*:
"Sam ate the complete works of Charles Dickens, a heating pad,
a brand new pair of gl*****, a baggie full of metal staples,
and a 3'x3' chunk of the kitchen linoleum. And the plugs off
many of the electrical appliances. And various personal bits
out of every pair of jeans and underwear I possessed."
"Sam started chasing cars at 10 weeks and never did stop."
Maybe you got a case of the cobbler's shoeless kids,
eh, PROFESSIONAL DOG TRAINER mary?:
"I use him as a demonstration dog in obedience cl*****.
Sam started chasing cars at 10 weeks and never did stop."
"He did learn to control himself,"
"He did learn to control himself,"
"He did learn to control himself,"
Sam is why I'm "allergic" to puppies, but also why I
adore obnoxious adolescent dawgs. I dragged him to
obedience class when he was 6 months old, he dragged
me to obedience class (and agility class, and clicker
training class, and seminars, and show-n-gos, and fun
matches) for the next 4 years.
The world is a safer place now for dirty underwear and
plastic baggies.
I can go back to leaving the laundry basket on the floor.
And the trash cans. And I can remove my watch and set it
down without finding bits of its little crystal carcass in
Sam's crate. I won't have to flush Sam out from under the
dinner table, or eat with hot dogbreath steaming up my leg.
Heck, I still have an ACD who adores all people (also
not "normal" breed behavior!), but he's very breed-
typical in his attempts to control and "police" the
behavior of other dogs.
when Sam was injured in a scrap with Ranger I chose to
treat him at home - without veterinary care. Cost *was*
a consideration. He lost part of one ear, with the usual
impressive spattering of gore."
You mean he was DOG AGGRESSIVE, don't you, mary <{}: ~ ( >
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
"Left to his own devices, he'd be picking fights and
bossing everydoggy. That's why he's not left to his
own devices.
That's why he's not left to his own devices.
I wouldn't take Ranger to a dog park.
I have let him off lead, but only to play fetch
(he's ball obsessed) and never with strange dogs
around.
He can be a gentleman, but I can't depend on it."
Ooooooh! SCARY, ain't it, mary healey you
pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin dog
abusing mental case!
ALL aggression is FEAR. ALL FEAR is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
LIKE THIS:
HERE'S lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn talkin abHOWET
her evenin with dr.ian dunbar at his GRHOWEL class:
> > I spent this evening at a small group session on
> > dog-human aggression hosted by Open Paw. Ian
> > Dunbar was the speaker
That's DOCTOR ian dunbar, dog behavior fraudS.
> > and was very clear that he uses P.
You mean P as in PUNISHMENT or P as in PRAISE?
Or P as in POO POO?
We're gonna quit using CONfHOWENDING scrabble
terms and RELY on INTELLIGENCE and HONESTY,
things you've YET to learn abHOWET cause you'll
do and say ANY THING to defend your alleged right
to hurt and murder dogs as you PREFER.
> > The distinction he made, and I think it's at the
> > heart of the issue, is that he only uses what he
> > calls "instructive punishment"
IOW MOORE DHOWEble talk. lying "I LOVE KOEHELR"
lynn RE****TED his "METHOD" DIDN'T WORK for her
and her PALS who were at that "grHOWEL class":
Lynn K.:
In a talk on dog-dog aggression on 5/27.
Given his propensity for repeating himself
verbatim, I'll bet he's also written it somewhere :-)
My biggest take-home from that evening actually
came from a brief conversation with Tricia999 &
some co-workers afterwards.
They confirmed my experience that "growl cl*****"
don't have a lasting impact on the reactivity of dog
aggressive dogs.
Our common experience was that the desensitization
only lasted for the session and didn't carry forward.
As an aside, you might want to get a copy of the
little training manual they are using for shelter
volunteers at www.openpaw.org
The stuff on teaching people how to get into the
kennel and get an excited dog out for a walk is
excellent. Lynn K.
So you see DOG LOVERS, YOUR METHODS DON'T
WORK and YOUR EXXXPERTS ARE FRAUDS LIARS
DOG ABUSERS COWARDS and ACTIVE LONG TERM
INCURABLE MENTAL CASES and IT'S IN BLACK AND
WHITE and html.
But that's not the BEST part of havin you settin
right here on The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Forums,
DOG LOVERS. The BEST part is bein able to QUOTE
your own words of your SUCCESSES HURTING
INTIMIDATING and MURDERING your own DEAD
and DEATHLY ILL dogs.
> No corrections, no physical control, no commands -
"The distinction he made, and I think it's at the
heart of the issue, is that he only uses what he
calls "instructive punishment". "
Does "INSTRUCTIVE PUNISHMENT"
equate to PRAISE AS PUNISHMENT?
dr. ian dumbar is a lyin dog abusin FRAUD an SCAM
ARTIST like these lyin animal murderin mental cases.
LIKE THIS:
From: Lynn Kosmakos
Date: Fri, Nov 3 2000 1:41 am
Email: Lynn Kosmakos <lkosma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Lori wrote:
> There is no TEMPERMENT too good to ruin OR too bad to save.
> The dog's heart & soul become reflex reaction to it's treatment.
Lori, I sincerely wish that were true. (the too bad to save part)
There is innate temperament that is not shaped by treatment.
The dogs our rescue gets from horrible abuse cases quickly proves
that.
OTOH, I also see dogs that have never had a single triggering
incident who cannot be saved. I've got such a client right now,
a 9 month old GSD who we've been fighting to save for months.
He's been seen by Jean Donaldson and Leslie Nelson and a slew
of others, and has received nothing by loving care all his life.
His littermates are normal, his breeding excellent, and there
was no triggering event or medical cause. As much as it breaks
my heart, the dog cannot be saved.
Lynn K.
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: Lynn Kosmakos <lkosma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 2000/07/03
Subject: Re: To Jerry Howe
Marilyn Rammell wrote:
> However, those of us that have a real flair can adapt and
> improve wherever appropriate and then label it to ourselves
> accordingly.
I disagree, as do the US courts. There used to be a feeling in
some unethical segments of the art and craft communities that you
didn't have to credit a design or method and could label it as
your own if you made 3 or more changes. Not so. Black letter
law is consistent in finding that the central concept of a design
or method is what makes it original work.
But it's really a question of professional and ethical behavior
rather than a legal question, isn't it? There is a lot of good
original work being done and people who use that work as a spring-
board acknowledge it gratefully, both in print and in seminar
appearances. Consider Rogerson/Fisher, Spector/Pryor, Margolies/
Haggerty, King/Dunbar, Abrantes/Fox, Rice/Clothier, Hearne/Koehler,
etc.
Given the tone and nature of Howe's behavior here, I really wouldn't
expect him to behave any better than he has, but that certainly
doesn't mean that we shouldn't expect better from professionals.
Lynn K.
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"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.
lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to
it. When he barks, use the line for a correction.-
if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar," Lynn K.
"Training is not confrontation,"Lynn K.
<except when it is>
"Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
just to be able to handle the dogs. For example,
we need to crate train a dog immediately because
they are usually in need of medical care and they
are in foster homes with other dogs. It's a safety
necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.
"Training is not confrontation,"Lynn K.
<except when it is>
"So what? Whoever said that it's right to
always not confront? We sure can try, but
a dog who knows a command and growls when
given it is certainly being confrontational".
You can't simply walk away and pretend it
didn't happen or leave it for later work in
every situation." Lynn K.
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From: Lynn K. (java...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Free Feeding (Was Re: Repeating Commands)
Date: 2001-07-17 21:59:53 PST
dogstar...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(DogStar716) wrote in message
<news:20010717101836.26725.00004349@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>...
> For example, if one was to use the dogs regular
> kibble as a motivator in class, the dog will probably
> not be as motivated as he would be if a different type
> of treat was offered (say, a piece of hotdog).
Not necessarily. Remember that there is value added
to the treat by virtue of getting it from the handler as a
reward.
That's the reason I handfed Java for a week.
To add value to the food.
It isn't just another piece of kibble when it
comes from Mom as a reward.
Lynn K.
> Play, yes; food, no.
From: Lynn K. (java...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Kali gets her CDX!
Date: 2003-10-26 13:49:37 PST
"KrisHur" <kris_br...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
<news:vpnufuisi9pve2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>...
> THANKS!
You deserve it! You have my empathy on the heeling
problem. 2 of 29 qualified in Open A & B this morning
at Sacramento - ring fouled overnight by conformation
people exercising their dogs.
A Borzoi vomited on the spot, a Rottie peed on it, and
almost every other dog (including Java) dropped their
nose to the spot and started tracking.
ARRRGH!
Lynn K.
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SEE?
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
"You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said
Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar
Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House
Cats? Don't bother. The answer is never," lying "I
LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.
lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs:
"This Article Is Something We've Put Together
For SF GSD Rescue
From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats
Date: 1999/11/20
ginge...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> How can I get him to quit chasing the cats.
Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong - Lynn K.
"Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don't
forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works
better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in
this situation.
Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but
should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how
to instruct the owner in their proper use. Electronics can
take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars. At that
time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or
whatever other reward system was being used."
8) Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.
Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong
works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the
dog in this situation. Have the dog in a sit-stay next to
you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat
walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is
why you have the dog muzzled).
If the dog makes an aggressive move towards the
cat, it must be corrected strongly with both your
voice and the collar.
This is im****tant - the correction must be physically
very strong - not a nag. (PS: not many dogs need
to be corrected at all)."
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SEE?
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: I read rec.pets.dogs.behavior yesterday. Yikes!
Date: 2001-01-03 22:31:57 PST
Woodlawn412 wrote:
> I'm sorry if I made you feel defensive--any of
> you--but it was such awful stuff to read.
What you have to realize is that it is all of the
same people - except the looney. He sticks to
.behavior, and we're grateful for that.
Don't take his **** seriously. He likes to scream
at imaginary demons.
Lynn K.
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HOWEDY lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn,
"Lynn K." <java...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> "Juanita" <JJMo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message news:
> > Well, dawgy, we're still waaaaiting . . . !!!
> > Please show us this proof. Or at least give
> > us a time frame in which to expect it--it's
> > been almost two days, so a week? Two
> > weeks? A month? What? I have other
> > things to do with my life
>
> And the rest of us don't have better things to
> do than waste time answering your demand
> for proof about Jerry's libelous statements?
Right. You're too busy working your SELECTIVELY
BRED HAND PICKED and TESTED SAR dog JIVE.
> FWIW, my dogs aren't crated and don't wear
> electronic, prong, chain or any other form of
> training collar and have never been struck or
> hurt in any way.
Of curse not!
"Granted That The Dog Who Fears
Retribution Will Adore His Owner."
> (Java had an e-collar on at a
> s****-proofing clinic 6 years ago.)
That's QUEER, ain't it. You can't shock collar
s**** proof a dog unless the dog has been
conditioned to the collar for a week or two
before and after the "training."
> Java doesn't "earn top scores" in the obedience ring.
That's right. He balks at directed retrieves
and rushes for the first object so he won't
get hurt somMOORE.
> though I'm happy with his titles there, as elsewhere.
You're real prHOWED of his SAR work too,
despite his early retirement before ever working.
> That includes his herding titles, which Jerry
> seems to think he somehow failed at.
QUEER AIN'T IT that you've never posted them.
Last we seen of little bo peep she was trying to
get JIVE under CONtroll in the field when he was
HOWETA REACH of gettin jerked and choked.
He KNOWS he ain't wearin his shock collar so
he don't gotta FEAR that. You and Master Of
Deception blankman have the same problems
with your HOWETA CON-TROLL dogs scaring
sheepses.
> Just as he thinks my decision not to put a
> dog that faded in the heat into active SAR
> duty was somehow questionable.
That so? Seems JIVE don't fade at
sheep trials, IN FACT, he's HOWETA
CON-TROLL. Ain't he.
> I've never run a shelter,
"My last paying "job" was as Exec. Dir.
of the local Humane Society,"
"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.
And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.
Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."
Lynn K.
"I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed
every adoptable dog on intake. I frankly felt that the
effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition.
Should I have refused to groom them?
Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who
had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."
Lynn K.
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Baghdad Bob <Baghdadbob> wrote in message
<news:04591a2c5d469ef78d35c89ed4ed58f7@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>...
Lynn, looks like he got you there if these
quotes are true.
In the posts below you take responsibility for
making those calls.
In your post above, you state you do not
make those calls.
Which one is it?
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SEE?
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
HERE'S HOWE COME:
WORDS OF WISDOM
From Our Own lynn kosmakos
1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day
For Twenty Years
I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT
LITHIUM
"I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-
depression) requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50
mg of Zoloft every day.
I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to
learn more, while happily sharing pertinent
information I have learned. But if I were ever
to post such sh*t, I would hope that every other
reader of this group would be rightfully outraged."
"Community is an evolutionary thing that we
earn the right to participate in by observing
the easily understood rules and contributing
to in constructive ways." Lynn K.
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SEE?
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
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