HOWEDY paul e. schoen,
"Paul E. Schoen" <pstech@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>
> "SteveB" <toquerville@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Shelly" <shelly@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9B177478B3731shellycatsidhnet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> "SteveB" <toquerville@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in news:7k5pp5-jkt1.ln1
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>>>
>>>> Simply put:
>>>
>>> I could hardly expect anything else.
Yeah <{}'; ~ ) >
>>> --
>>> Shelly
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>> It is im****tant to be able to communicate.
INDEEDY~!
>> Even if one has to lower their vocabulary and presentation style to do
>> so.
Yeah. Unfortunately, HOWEver, a lotta folks can't seem
to ADAPT, therefore, like a child aggressive puppy, they
MUST perish <{}: ~ ( >
>> Steve
> You might as well give up trying to have a civilized discussion with
> Shelly, or Melinda for that matter, (and a few others).
Hmmm. Let's see... we got LOTS of paulie's fellHOWE
dog lover pals who've criticized SteveB for bein a dog
abusin coward, like themselves. Seems folks fear an hate
MOST in others what they fear an hate the most in themselves.
> They are basically unhappy women who do not like men
> very much, and get a kick out of making snide remarks.
Hmmm...
paulie knows ALL abHOWET women~!
Well then, paulie, HOWE COME you can't even talk
yourself into a pair of *(occupied) lady's panties?:
You single handedly destroyed the Baltimore Singles Network
while spending ten THOWESAND dollars on finding a woman
who'd put up with your BULL****:
From the news article "In Pursuit Of Love":
"In the pursuit of love, no one has been more devoted
than Paul Schoen.
He's attended singles hayrides, singles hikes, and singles
house parties. He's answered personal ads for athletic women
(his preference) only to discover they considered shopping
their most aerobic activity. He's hired a matchmaking company,
revealing to strangers his marital ideal: a woman (ages 21-42)
who loves nature, simple pleasures and friend****p. And he said
it again, while the camera rolled, after joining a video dating
service several years ago.
The grand total so far:
- Lasting romantic relation****ps: 0
- Cost: $10,000
"Maybe it's worth it to other people," says Mr. Schoen, 44,
a businessman who lives in Towson, "But at this point, it
hasn't been for me. It's expensive, and I'm still single"
--------------------
Baltimore Singles Network
Home Page
Updated February 14, 2004
NOTICE:
Baltimore Singles Network has been discontinued!
Due to lack of interest and member sup****t, I have
discontinued the Baltimore Singles Network. We have
been inactive for about a year, and I have not received
any offers to help with planning, organization, publicity,
or event sponsor****p.
It takes a group of dedicated people to make an organization
successful. We had quite a few good years starting in 1991,
when I took over leader****p, when others were involved actively
in the club. However, for the past several years, it has been a
frustrating and disappointing one-person project.
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> The "clique" of "mean girls" has identified you as a target, as you have
> not shown them proper homage and subservience
> to their perceived superiority, and most of the others will go along
with
> their proclamations.
Here's a particularly mean girl:
Groups: alt.sup****t.depression
Subject: Why do People seem to Have an Orgasm
making snide remarks?? It Makes my
skin crawl. Rosena
From: Michael A. Ball
Date: Mon, Mar 20 2006 11:15 am
Email: Michael A. Ball <Guard...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
On 19 Mar 2006 14:52:39 -0800, elystormbrin...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>...I know. It isn't the person, as much as the way
> humans in general can't resist making jabs at
> people if some op****tunity presents itself. I was
> talking about Claudia who I do not get along with
> anyway. And whenever she makes a remark in
> anything related to me it makes me livid. But . . .
> I am also antsy today.
Always consider the source. Whether they are written or
spoken words, negative or positive, always consider who
it was that wrote or spoke those words. Ask yourself if
that person is even worth listening to. Decide whether
or not their views are worth the time of day--much less
being upset about.
Personally, I don't mind snide remarks at all.
Whatever it takes.
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Newsgroups: alt.med.veterinary
From: Michael A. Ball <Guard...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:08:20 -0400
Subject: Euthanasia certification cl*****?
Who teaches euthanasia certification cl***** in most states? I live
in Tennessee. Are the cl***** usually open to anyone with the fee?
How much is the fee apt to be?
The shelter wants to keep me cleaning kennels the rest of my life,
but I would like to expand my capabilities. Thank you.
________________________
Whatever it takes.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
LIKE THIS:
Newsgroups: alt.fifty-plus.friends
From: Michael A. Ball <Guard...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 18:52:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Superstitious?(sp)
On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 22:43:24 GMT,
**Dalin** <l...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Care to tell us why you feel that way?
> I won't try and argue with you or change
> your mind, but what happened to put you
> off cats above all other creatures?
I've never liked cats, because their movements are too
much like those of rats. Since childhood, I viewed cats
as no more than targets.
On 12-23-95, I killed a cat that my wife had allowed her
daughter to bring into the house, as a pet, several days
earlier. The cat was a stray and having it in the house
was contrary to our agreement for living here.
My wife moved out , permanently, that night.
Ten months later, she moved out of this county--deliberately
withholding her new address. I haven't heard from her since.
Thank you for not trying to change my mind. I won't argue
about this issue. Many people hate cats; perhaps most of
them are more discrete about voicing their opinions. I
try not to say much, but sometimes, I can't resist.
Michael
Whatever it takes.
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Groups: alt.sup****t.depression
From: Michael A. Ball
Date: Sun, Mar 14 2004 6:25 pm
On 14 Mar 2004 13:48:35 -0800, crysal...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(crysalis) wrote:
> [...]Tomorrow I see the Dr. I hope they tell
> me something good. [...]
I hope he tells you "something good" too! If you were
asked to list the top three good things you'd like for
him to tell you, what would they be?
I put myself in your shoes for a minute and discovered
that question is not as simple as it sounds. We don't
always know how to heal the pain or even what is causing
the pain: we only know that we hurt.
Maybe your doctor will tell you that it is not your skin
that you want to escape, but everything inside of that
skin" your..."self"!
I'm reminded of a time in my life when I applied to enter
a *** reassignment program. Fortunately, during the initial
evaluation process, it was determined that I wasn't
trans***ual, and didn't want to be a woman: I just didn't
want to be Michael Ball.
That was a day of considerable relief, but also one of great
sadness and hopelessness. There would be no Andrea Beck,
and for the time being, no escape from MB.
Best wishes tomorrow. I hope you'll tell us how things went
Michael
A day without recoil is like a day without sun****ne!
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Subject: "Secret Cutting"
Groups: alt.sup****t.depression
From: Michael Ball
Date: Tues, May 30 2000 12:00 am
Email: "Michael Ball" <Guard...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
The movie, "Secret Cutting" airs tonight at
9:00 p.m. eastern, on USA Network.
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Groups: alt.sup****t.depression
From: Michael Ball
Date: Mon, Dec 27 1999 12:00 am
Howard Hong wrote,
> "If I wanted more of this feeling, then
> it would probably be a pleasure, no?"
I almost replied, "WRONG!," and offered this explanation:
I sometimes makes little cuts under my watchband, with a
razor blade.
Although there is some physical pain, I feel triumphant
because Michael Ball is getting a little dose of what he
deserves. So, it is a pleasure.
How odd; even sensations that most people would rate as
bad, sick, horrible, etc., can be and are pleasures--if
we want them. I never thought of those insignificant
little cuts specifically as pleasures, but they are!
I love it when little streams of blood trickle down my arm.
And I like the reminder pain over the following couple of
days, during the healing process.
------------
The MENTAL CASES wouldn't post here if you dog lovers
wouldn't enterTRAIN them and their LIES ABUSE IDIOCY
and INSANITY.
Oooops~!
Sorry, paulie <{}: ~ ( >
> They also have difficulty reading for actual content, and will often
just
> identify isolated parts of a post to criticise.
You mean like the part abHOWET HURTIN dogs, paulie?
> I do not fully agree with your method of correcting dogs for jumping,
That so, paulie?
> but in extreme cases it may be justified,
You mean when a dog abusin coward - mental case NEEDS
to HURT and INTIMIDATE a innocent defenseless dumb
critter like HOWE you PREFER, paulie?
> and in general, whatever works is OK,
No paulie, hurtin bribin an intimidatin innocent defenseless
dumb critters is CRIMINALLY INSANE <{}: ~ ( >
> as long as it does not cause more injury to the dog than what he might
> inflict on you.
Jumping is a BONDING behavior, paulie <{}: ~ ( >
> Paul and Muttley
Subject: Re: Update on the American Eskimo
HOWEDY paul e. schoen you pathetic miserable stinkin
rotten lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active acute
chronic life-long incurable malignant maliciHOWES MENTAL
CASE,
"Paul E. Schoen" <pstech@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>
> "Jim Manson" <Jim@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:itd6b49mbcdgjicq6rm47b6bqh19hggvbu@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>I forgot to mention that he is physically in great shape now and
>> extremely cute. He's a miniature and weighs about 16 pounds.
Well paulie, seems jimmy got hisself a
RESCUE dog just like HOWE you done~!
> I am happy that things seem to be working out,
INDEED?
Hey paulie? jimmy?
HOWE does a lyin dog abusin mental case like paulie
arrive at: "I am happy that things seem to be working
out," when jimmy SEZ his dog is AFRAID and HOWETA
CON-TROLL and he's fixin to take IT to a BEHAVIORIST
*(JUST LIKE HOWE you done to your own RESCUE dog
Muttley) who offered IT an witheld bribes and jerked an
choked IT for you on a CUSTOM MADE PRONGED
SPIKED PINCH CHOKE COLLAR to EVALUATE ITS
temperament *(PRYOR to you GETTIN RID of your
second RESCUE dog Lucky whom you TURNED IN to
a KILL SHELTER for bein HYPERACTIVE, FEARFUL
and DOG AGGRESSIVE and was LUCKY enought to
have been "ADOPTED" within WON WEEK of you
signing the UNCONDITIONAL release to MURDER
IT at their DISCRETION, paulie??
> although I'm sure it will take some time, patience,
Oh, you mean on accHOWENTA "every dog is different," paulie?
> and lots of love, as you seem to be providing.
INDEED?
Oh, you mean JUST LIKE HOWE you done your
own DEAD RESCUE dog Lucky an your DEAD
RESCUE kitty kats Meshon an Photon, an like
HOWE you was fixin to do to your "HEART DOG"
Muttley, paulie?:
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
down (his appointment is next Wednesday),
-----------------------
> It is especially sad that someone bullied such a small dog,
Oh? Oh, you mean LIKE THIS, paulie, you pathetic miserable
stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin MENTAL CASE:
"Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
stern correction" --Janet Boss
Here's paulie's CUSTOM MADE pronged spiked pinch choke collar:
http://tinyurl.com/5m6ppt
"J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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He was next to me and I could see his neck
muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
Janet Boss
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> "J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:20040323173916.10096.00001938@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > dog like a Lab.
An INSENSITIVE DOG???
> > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> > I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.
Do you think the citronella collar is CRUEL
cause the SMELL LINGERS after the dog's
been sprayed in the face and the dog won't
know HOWE COME IT was MACED?
janet CONtinues:
> > My dogs are not human children wearing fur- they are DOGS.
> > I don't have anything against electronic bark collars, but they
> > should be used in conjunction with actually working at training
> > your dog(s).
They're DUMB ANIMALS these MENTALLY ILL LYING
DOG ABUSERS HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER.
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> and it is hard to fathom why a social worker would
> recommend such a pet and not follow up.
Oh, you mean like HOWE your PAL diddler FHOWEND
bruises on a child's arm who was COMPLAININ that his
daddy was kickin his doggy and DIDN'T RE****T IT to
the school authorities, paulie?
Seems mental illness TRAINscends the "mentally ill", eh, paulie?
> Please post some pictures when you get a chance.
I don't think jimmy will be postin to his newfHOWEND
punk thug coward active acute chronic life-long incurable
MENTAL CASE dog lover pals nodoGdameneD more, paulie.
> Good luck!
Dog trainin AIN'T LUCK, paulie, you pathetic piece of crap.
> Paul and Muttley
"LUCK is for SUCKERS. NEVER make a SUCKER'S
BET," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY <{}: ~ ( >
Re: Rejected for obedience training (even evaluation)
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message news:
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>
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> HOWEDY paule e. schoen,
> "Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:468dc6d8$0$11048$ecde5a14@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Now that my evaluation of Jerry's methods are complete
> You NEVER COMPLETED the first EXXXORCISE
It was unsuccessful when Muttley simply ignored
the constant praise and became confused. Maybe
that method works on high strung, needy dogs that
need to be calmed down.
> Yeah. HOWE COME you won't TRY using the NON
> VIOLENT methods I teach FOR FREE, paulie?
Your non-violent methods for dogs ring hollow
when you use verbal violence against other dog
owners, thus triggering their own opposition
reflexes. I will try other non-violent methods
that communicate what is expected of the dog.
And I don't believe that proper use of a prong
collar or choker chain are evil and physically
hurtful.
[snip verbal abuse]
So you think it is effective to withold praise,
but offer it as a bribe to get people to follow
your methods? Or promise you will stop beating
them if they obey your commands? Yet never do
it for a dog?
Paul and Muttley (almost fully recovered from
Arbitrary Praise Neurosis)
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From:
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Sat, 07 Jul 2007 06:24:51 -0700
Subject: Re: Rejected for obedience training (even evaluation)
HOWEDY paul e. schoen,
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message news:
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>
wrote in message
> news:1183778458.405615.146000@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> HOWEDY paule e. schoen,
>> "Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
>> in message news:468dc6d8$0$11048$ecde5a14@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Now that my evaluation of Jerry's methods are
>>> complete
>> You NEVER COMPLETED the first EXXXORCISE
IN FACT, you NEVER STUDIED The Manual AS INSTRUCTED.
You see paulie, I was EXXXPECTING folks like you to come in
here BULL****IN me and therefore The Manual was written
in such a way as to be able to DIAGNOSE the BULL****ERS
from the STUDENTS who simply have difficulty with their dogs.
You're a BULL****ER and a DOG ABUSER and a COWARD.
> It was unsuccessful when Muttley simply
> ignored the constant praise and became confused.
You mean, when Muttley became UN AFRAID
of you jerking choking and intimidating him and
was waiting for you to resort to jerking and chokin
him again like HOWE you had PREFERRED to
do pryor to TRY bein KIND to your dog?:
From: <>
To: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: Damned Family Leader****p Exercise -
Re: Am I expecting to much
Hi Jerry,
When I talked to you on the phone to order to machine
for daughter's new pup, I told you that I had an older
Chessie. I rescued him at 9 years old and have had
him for 3 years.
It's funny, but I thought I'd try some of your book
training with him. Where I used to say "come" and
then say "good boy" when he obeyed, I have reversed
it with a "good boy" first.
It really does work.
He was very confused at first, wondering
what he had done to get the praise.
But it really gets the attention and distracts him from
whatever he may have going through his brain when
he hears it.
Dogs are funny, but people are too. Can't wait to get
the Doggy do Right, etc.
Thanks,
N
> Maybe that method works on high strung,
> needy dogs that need to be calmed down.
The Method WORKS on ALL critters, even
wolves, children and ladies even better than
cookies and ****ny objects <{}: ~ ) >
>> Yeah. HOWE COME you won't TRY using the NON
>> VIOLENT methods I teach FOR FREE, paulie?
> Your non-violent methods for dogs ring hollow
> when you use verbal violence against other dog
> owners,
"Other dog owners", paulie? But not YOU.
You're gonna QUIT TRAINING Muttley withHOWET
HURTIN HIM on accHOWENTA I'm CRUEL to "other
dog owners" who JERK CHOKE SHOCK CRIPPLE and
MURDER their dogs?
> thus triggering their own opposition reflexes.
Seems you dislike "OTHER DOG OWNERS" being
verbally assaulted even more than Muttley dislikes
being jerked and choked, eh?
Would you be kindly enough to CITE where I was
CRUEL to you when you "STOPPED HURTIN your
dog", paulie??
> I will try other non-violent methods
There AIN'T NO "other non-violent methods"
unless you mean BRIBERY / clicker idiocy:
"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING
THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT.
Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge,
demonstrated HOWE we escape the phenomenon that
an expected reward not received is experienced as a
punishment and can produce extensive and persistent
aggression (Azrin et al, 1966)."
> that communicate what is expected of the dog.
<SNIP>
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
down (his appointment is next Wednesday),
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
Hello everyone:
If you have followed some of my posts, you know
something about the ongoing story of Muttley, the
large GSD/Chow dog I have been trying to adopt
or place in a better home.
I will add a bit more history later in this post.
Last Tuesday, toward the end of Janet's obedience
class, Muttley and I had just finished fairly successfully
performing a sit/stay/come routine, and then he was
sitting by my side.
The final routine was to be a "down", which Muttley
has had some difficulty with, and frankly I have not
had the time to work with him much on that.
I was kneeling at his side, trying to hold his collar
while pu****ng his front legs down to the position,
while he resisted. Suddenly he lunged, knocking
me over onto the parking lot, and I lost grip of the
leash as I reflexively broke my fall.
Muttley took the op****tunity to attack a young black
male Lab to my left, and it was a very brutal attack.
Janet and the instructors tried to gain control, and as
soon as I could get to my feet I grabbed the leash and
pulled him off.
That was the end of the class, and the other dog,
Bernie, was taken to an animal hospital for treatment.
When everyone had left, Janet counseled me about
what should be done about Muttley.
She said this was more than ordinary aggression,
and only intensive (and expensive) one on one
training would have any chance at working, and
in any case, he was not suited to group training.
She advised me that Muttley could be dangerous,
and she recommended that he be euthanized.
"They can't all be saved".
<snip>
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> Yes, it's a good thing that I did not persist with the method
> I was taught to make Muttley get down. Maybe he was confused because, in
> the 'hood where he grew up, "get down" means to jump up and dance! But,
> seriously, Janet should
> have recognized that, for whatever reason, Muttley and I were
> having a problem keeping up with the rest of the class, and
> she should have told me to try more basic commands away
> from the group, and come earlier so that Muttley would have
> more time to socialize and not be so stressed, or even just tell me that
I
> must take another class and spend more time on homework.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
janet's ABUSIVE methods CONSISTENTLY make dogs GO INSANE:
Subject: Re: redirected aggression
Date: 4/11/07
"Janet Boss" <ja...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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seems I have been dealing with this a bit lately.
Dog to dog and dog to person,, with dogs who are
obviously overstimulated by what's in front of them.
What's in front of them varies from people at the door
to dogs in their path or directly in their face. The dogs
in question all have very poor self control.
I have dog(s) with not-so-great-natural self control,
so it's something we constantly work on. We don't
have redirected stuff going on, because we have enough
obedience to avoid it.
While I know that's the big answer for the dogs in
question as well, I'm curious what things people have
found useful to redirect/focus/gain attention from
drivey dogs or just very distracted of over-the-top dogs.
We're having success with my recommendations, but I'm
always open to something novel that may be the hot ticket.
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
BWEEEEEAAAAHAHAHAHHHAAAA!!!
HERE'S HOWE COME:
#2 - 6/05/07
>> When I was training him under Janet's supervision
>> I was instructed to give it a ? firm yank as a correction.
>
> I advised you to use a prong collar, not give firm
> yanks on a chain choke collar. I hate the things.
>
>> She was able to get his attention with
>> just a quick tug, but I had to yank on it
>> hard enough to lift him off his feet to get
>> him to respond. Looking back now, I think
>> it was based on his fear, which he had for
>> her (as an unknown), but not for me
>> (whom he had learned to trust).
>
> He wasn't afraid of me. He knew I was a
> confident trainer. Fear has no place in dog
> training, as I told you THEN.
> Janet
It seems to me that applying stern corrections, by
popping a choker chain, prong collar, or whatever,
is a way to ensure compliance by instilling a fear
of further punishment.
Sure, if it is administered very consistently
by a confident trainer, the dog soon learns
to obey. There was no positive reinforcement,
so what remains is negative.
Also, I recall the time you were going to show me
how I could get Muttley to take his rawhide treat
from me without lunging for it. When you offered
it to him, he refused to take it. This IMHO is likely
a fear behavior.
Things have changed a lot since then, and I have
learned a lot, and Muttley has settled down quite
a bit. I probably still give him too much freedom
to think on his own, but that's just my way of
doing things, and that's probably not going to
change much. He may never win an obedience
medal, but I don't think he is dangerously out
of control, either.
Paul and Muttley
"I thought I was told that the way to get the dog to go
down was to make him sit and then step onthe leash.
That was awkward and didn't seem to work.
I will confess that I only tried the "down" position
once or twice at home, and I also often used it
instead of "Off" when I wanted him to stop
jumping on me or elsewhere I didn't want him to be.
I had to give him corrections every few seconds,
and also just about kick him, to keep him at my
left side.
Muttley is really a very sweet and loving dog, but
he needs more socialization with other dogs. However,
it is very likely that I will have him put down in a week."
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
down (his appointment is next Wednesday),
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> It was very unprofessional of her to gloat while I struggled
> to make Muttley heel and walk around with so many other
> dogs, frantically yanking on his lead and the prong/choker collar.
Did janet FORCE you to HURT Muttley, paulie?
> And it should have been obvious to her or at least one of her assistants
> that I was not implementing the "down" instruction properly, as I'm sure
I
> was struggling with that for at least a
> couple of minutes.
THAT IS the "down" COMMAND, paulie <{}: ~ ( >
Here's janet's PARTNER who heelped nessa "train" her
fear aggressive hyperactive HOWETA CON-TROLL
PROBABLY DEAD dogs to DESTROY her HOWES
an TURN ON HER:
"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
sinofa***** writes:
> > What I have said- repeatedly - is that he took
> > posts from two different people,
Of curse THAT'S a lie.
> > took pieces of them out of context,
Of curse. QUOTED. You wanna see it in context?
> > cobbled them together,
No. There was WON DIRECT QUOTE.
> > then added his own words:
"Neatly," and "Smartly."
> > and a fake signature.
"sinofa*****" instead of sionnach.
> > Which is exactly what he did.
INDEEDY. That's HOWE COME you deny it.
> > The actual quote is misleading
That so?
> > when taken out of context,
We'd been talkin abHOWET beatin the dog with a shoe...
> > and Jerry's faked "quote"
The WON sinofa***** totally DENIES.
> > is downright meaningless.
Only if you're a MENTAL CASE.
> Here's Jerry's version
> "I Dropped The Leash, Threw My
> Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
> Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My
> Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
> Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into
> Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And
> Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofa*****.
>
> Here's yours;
>
> "I dropped the leash, threw my
> right arm over the Lab's shoulder,
> grabbed her opposite foot with my
> left hand, rolled her on her side,
> leaned on her, said "GRRRR!" and
> nipped her ear.
> --Sara Sionnach
"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
See?
> But they were handing out homework assignments, and not
> paying attention, especially to me and Muttley, because we
> were unworthy of their esteemed instruction because I was a naughty
> student and should be punished.
NO PROBLEMO~!:
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
90 From: Sionnach
Date: Mon, Oct 9 2006 1:19 am
Email: "Sionnach" <rhyfe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
*I* was thanking the Deity that the NCR trail
was not my choice of hiking area today!!!!
Sorry, Paul, but the gloves are now off, because if I HAD
chosen the NCR trail today - rather than another local trail-
you would have been putting ***MY*** beloved dogs at
risk of serious injury or death. ***MY*** DOGS.
What the ****ING HELL is **WRONG** with you???
Your dog, which you have repeatedly admitted you can't
control, just made a near-lethal unprovoked attack on
another dog in obedience class, and you TOOK HIM
OUT ON THE TRAILS WHERE THERE ARE OTHER
DOGS?????
You do that again, when my dogs are around, and he attacks
one of them, you won't have to worry about having him put
down - I will either break his spine or choke him to death
right then and there.
I'm dead ****ing serious, Mr. Schoen.
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SEE?
> Unfortunately, the young Lab was the one that suffered, along
> with her frightened owner, and Muttley almost lost his life as a result.
You mean as a RESULT of YOU HURTIN HIM.
>>>> I'm so glad to know that Muttley came through and found the
>>>> courage to bond with you after suffering Janet's cruel treatment.
>>>
>>>What cruel treatment would that be?
>>
>> Yours, of course.
>>
>>>> Your bond with Muttley is stronger than anything
>>>> Janet will ever experience with a dog
>>>
>>>Uh. no.
>>
>> Uh, yes, absolutely. Any relation****p you might think you
>> have with a dog would be built on fear, and that kind of
>> relation****p is always a bitter one with mistrust on one
>> side and delusion on the other.
>
> For some dogs, especially "soft" ones
The terms "soft" and "hard" dogs are ONLY used by DOG ABUSERS.
> like the Goldens Janet is so fond of, may respond quickly to
> the methods she was teaching, and there would not be so much
> fear involved.
Well THAT AIN'T TRUE, paulie. Just READ janet's POSTED
CASE HISTORY of her own hyperactive fearful neurotic deathly
ill an DEAD dogs <{}: ~ ( >
> Muttley was (and still is) a bit fearful,
Naaaah? You mean HE DON'T TRUST YOU, paulie?
> although he is now much better after more than two years of
> socialization and gentle training. Muttley still pulls too much when he
is
> walked, but it is because
It's on accHOWENTA YOU CHOKE HIM, paulie.
> he is very focused on new sights and smells to explore,
You mean, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER DOG, paulie?
> and I can't walk fast enough for him.
That's ABSURD, paulie. Dogs PULL to ESCAPE their
ABUSER CHOKIN THEM, like HOWE you do Muttley.
Force "TRAINING" does NOT TRAIN dogs, paulie, it
FORCES CON-TROLL untill the DEVICE is REMOVED
an then the dog TRIES TO ESCAPE his ABUSER.
> The pronged collar and choker chain do not exert much of an influence on
> him because of his powerfully built neck,
That's INSANE, paulie. Your dog Muttley throws hisself to
the ground and rubs to try to relieve the PAIN in his throat.
> and I even bought a Halti,
The Halti is another PAIN FEAR FORCE and INTIMIDATION device.
> but Janet insisted on her own prong collar, which eventually
> was shredded because Muttley scratched at it.
You mean DESPITE that: "The pronged collar and choker
chain do not exert much of an influence on him", paulie?
> Recently I tried an Easy Walk harness,
That's another PAIN FEAR FORCE INTIMIDATION
CHOKING DEVICE, paulie <{}: ~ ( >
> and Muttley did not pull very much with it, but it was
> awkward to use in the woods where I walk him. It also
> seemed a bit cruel to interfere with the normal functioning
> of his front legs.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> But it might have been useful for training if I had been told about them
> for the obedience cl*****. At least I would not have had to forcibly
yank
> him around to make him obey,
RIGHT. You'd have CRIPPLED him instead.
> which really just teaches him that force is an acceptable way to get
what
> you want.
Naaaah?
You mean INSTEAD of TRAININ your dog NEARLY
INSTANTLY simply by DOIN EVERY THING
EXXXACTLY OPPOSITE of HOWE you PREFER, paulie?
LIKE THIS:
"Greg M. Silverman" <gmsNOS...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
Hey, Mr. Wizard, or Alchemist or whatever your alias
of the day is, have to say that our dog heels much
better than she did. This is after reading and
implementing the bit in your "Wits End" treatise.
And she's a royal nutter (but then again, aren't they all?).
Cheers! Greg--
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AND LIKE THIS:
"Leprechaun" <Leprech...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:m01Hc.20882$uK.16329@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Jerry believes he's a dog trainer.
Fortunately, I happen to believe he is too.
I took a rescued three year old beagle that
had been kept outside all of its life that didn't
even recognize or respond to its name to
Jerry's home (That ugly cinder block shack???
get real) and in just over one hour of working
with the dog, he was coming on command
(not a quickly as he does now, but still...) and
walking with us on a loose lead.
His "hot/cold" exercise and "come when called"
command and pack exercise WORK!
> and in all likelihood he's never even been near a dog.
Well, he's been near mine, and done wonders for him.
You don't have to like him. You don't have
to agree with his methods, but as far as I
am concerned, I've never seen any other
training approach that was as fast and easy.
<<<< Rest of original post deleted >>>>
Ron Flanagan
Orlando, Florida
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SEE?
AND LIKE THIS:
"Hennie van Dalen" <h.vandalen11***removethis...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote in message news:TlsCb.2895$7U1.7896@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
is age-old computer lingo.... It stands for "Read The
F***ing Manual" ;-) I used the manual and it works very good!
But it is a long text to read (76 pages printed on A4-size
paper) My lab is 1year old now, and teaching him something
new takes about 30minutes (depending on what to teach offcourse)
My other dog (a 7year old stafford****re terrier-mix) is a bit
slower in learning, but he is used to me calling him a "bad
dog"whenever he did something i didn't want him to do, or
it might be the age.
Sometimes it looks like Sam (the lab) WANTS to learn
something new: he wants me to bring along the can
filled with washers whenever we go for a walk. It is a
very "humane" way of teaching: the dog is allways a
"good dog", and never a "bad dog"
There is nu punishment or prong-collars involved.
For a fact i tought him to heel in 15min's without
beeing on a leach at-all !!! When he spotted a dog,
he used to run towards it, but now i tought him to "ask
permission" first, and to my surprise it worked!
My dogs never went to puppy-training (lucky for them),
maybe this helped too.
Manual can be found at http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html
-- Hennie van Dalen www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11
www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fotografie/doggy-pictures/
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SEE?
AND LIKE THIS:
"Ama...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
" wrote:
No, the dog learned that I would hold still the second she
began to pull. She would pull to go where *she* wanted.
Well if she wanted to stop and go in another direction...
say to sniff my neighbors yard.. she learned if she wanted
to do it I would stop walking and she could go.. and if there
wasn't enough slack on her lead she would just pull me.
Then when she got done doing *her* thing, she woudl heel..
smile at me and wait for me to say "let's go" and finish *my*
thing.
I would refuse to move .. i looked like an idiot.. freezing
mid walk for minutes waiting for *my* dog to heel and give
*me* permission to go again.
I did the treats and the let's go... she got to do her
stuff and get a cookie.. if she even wanted the cookie.
I wound up calling Jerry.. as I have a half red nose pit
and half amstaff.. who is incredibly protective.. we had
a new pup on the way.. and i needed help..
i followed petsmarts trainnign guides.. memorized them...
and they *did* work, don't get me wrong.. but only when my
pet wanted a cookie or felt the cookie was better than what
she wanted.. which was not often.
She quickly learned to ignore my commands if she could see
my hands were empty. So I called Jerry... he chatted me
for about an hour and a half.. gave me his link... and even
when i had probs intro'ing the pup he called me withn i5 mins
of my email for help at 10pm on a sunday night.
One.. singular.. uno family pack exercise after the hot
and cold exercise and i could zig zag down my street..
about face .. whatever.. and never had tension.
two men were acrossed the street and she walked right
by them... ordinarily she'd snarl and protect us.
And in two days.. my dog.. who bit the puppy if he even
looked like he was going near my husband or kids.. is
nursing him every hour.. cleaning him.. rough housing
gently.. and teaching him to go potty outside.. actually
watches him to make sure he doesn't go in the house...
and has milk.. which is awesome since she's 19 months old
and has never had a litter.
She also has stopped barking non stop at our neighbor's
dogs and pig.. does not bark at eveyr car that drives by
and has stopped jumping on people. she's even starting
to ignore our cat who has lived on her dome litter box
and our window sill (literally) for over a year and a half.
She also does her commands on cue..and doesn't look for a treat.
Amanda.
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AND LIKE THIS:
"Paul B" <some...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:3edc57c5@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
When I trained both my dogs to "heel" or walk close
to me I ended up going to the parks and teaching
them without a lead at all, that ensured I had to use
good communication and was unable to be tempted
to use the lead to correct them.
Another part of the training I agree with is not using
the "policeman" approach, where you tell a dog "no"
or react with it in such a way that you become involved
in the behaviour (by trying to stop it), this approach
often results in a dog ceasing the behaviour when you
are about but doing it when you aren't (bin raiding,
counter surfing etc).
Basically you are taught to make your dog a good
friend who likes and wants to work for you for the
pleasure of working for you (setting the hierarchy
is included in this), teach it to recall reliably,
then to do everything else (sit, stay down etc etc).
Unwanted behaviours are addressed as they occur.
If you understand what you are trying to achieve and
are prepared to work with it you can get great results.
Paul
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AND LIKE THIS:
Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me!
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:33:36 -0500
Message-ID: uim43blqq1h...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I gotta speak up here... We've been using
Jerry's methods with our dog. We had the same
problem as the original poster has with Buzz.
One day working with the family pack exercise
and practicing the recall command with the family
and she'll now go out with hubby and daughter
instead of needing me to reassure her or even
refusing to go with anyone but me.
I really urge you, regardless of the negative
things you might hear about Jerry & Wits'
End here, to try the method and *judge the
results for yourself*.
Let's see what other areas she's improved in...
always comes when called, not chewing stuff
even if we leave it laying around, "re" housebroken
after long shelter stay, walks perfectly on leash,
doesn't try to steal food from our plates or beg...
probably a few more things I'm forgetting to mention.
*(Yeah, the kats lay off the koi and don't wander. jh).
That's in about a week's time.
Her overall demeanor has changed. When
we brought her home she was very untrusting
and ultra-submissive (except with her area/toys
where she was possessive and nippy).
She had been abused and beaten by previous
owners, then she was in a shelter for months.
They (most of them) wanted to give up and kill
her.
Now she's gained confidenceand trust with us.
Last night was another big breakthrough
(in my eyes). She barked! Big deal, she
barked just once when she heard the front
door. Great!
Anyway, you'll be told lots of nasty stuff about
Jerry or that the Wits' End manual is culled
from other sources. In my opinion, even if it
is, it takes only the good stuff and leaves
out the bad.
Works for me.
(And I suppose I gotta say this... I don't know
Jerry personally. I've emailed him and instant
messaged him. I have not bought a "Doggy
Do Right". He's offered help for free.)
M.
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http://www.crneckiy.com
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CAN'T POST YOUR LIES IDIOCY INSANITY AND ABUSE
HERE abHOWETS nodoGdameneD more, paulie <{}: ~ ( >
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