HOWEDY paul e. schoen,
"Paul E. Schoen" <pstech@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "Handsome Jack Morrison" <handsomejackmorrison@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:19:28 -0800, "SteveB" <toquerville@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>>Biting a child in my house is a death sentence,
That's silly. No need to murder the kid on accHOWENTA
IT accidentally hurt, scared, or intimidated the dog <{}: ~ ( >
>>> and will be carried out within fifteen minutes.
Evidently SteveB FORGOT that kids an dogs don't
generalize a CORRECTION if it ain't done INSTANTLY.
They can't remember what they done wrong <{}: ~ ( >
OTOH, they CAN remember EVERY THING else <{}: ~ ) >
>> Hypothetical situation: Your child is ill-mannered and enjoys teasing
and
>> tormenting your dog.
That child would likely grHOWE up to be a
PROFESSIONAL DOG TRAINER <{}: ~ ( >
>> Your dog finally gets tired of the abuse and nips your
>> child in the hand, in the only way that a dog can really
>> communicate to its human tormentor to stop doing that.
THAT'D be on accHOWENTA the "trainer" didn't know
HOWE to teach the dog SELF CON-TROLL <{}: ~ ( >
>> So, because *you* can't properly teach your child how
>> to behave around your dog, you would just kill the dog,
HOWE abHOWET other children, like steve walker an his
DEAD DOG Sampson who HAD the SAME PROBLEM?:
From: Steve Walker <skwal...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 01:54:57 +0100
Subject: Sad news (Samson)
Hello everyone, hope you remember me. I've been quiet
here for ages, firstly because of a computer breakdown
that took ages to remedy, and then it's been difficult
to find the heart to write to the group again.
You see, on Sep 21, after much heart-searching, I took
Samson back to the RSPCA to be put to sleep. He was a
brilliant dog with his family, but was becoming more &
more fear reactive with people, especially small children,
and (apparently randomly) with other dogs, to the point
where we had to muzzle him when he went out and if we
had visitors (which is often), because we just couldn't
trust people to remember to leave him alone, so his
quality of life had become not much.
We put him through a rehab programme from John Rogerson's
practice - I gather he's pretty well-known, so some of
you might have heard of him - which did everything they
said it would (reliable recall, focused his attention much
more on us, etc - except reduce his tendency to react
suddenly and bite.
The vet had checked him and found nothing, but I'd still
have suspected a brain tumour or something if it hadn't
been for the fact that he was totally reliable with the kids
and us.
I called the RSPCA to let them know that the rehab programme
wasn't working, and they said that if we gave him back, they'd
*****s him but he'd almost certainly be put down.
I couldn't let him be alone among strangers for his last
moments, so I asked if they'd let me take him immediately
and stay with him while it was done, and they agreed.
It was a sunny day, and he was happy enough on the drive to
the centre, but I could barely hold myself together. He was
nervous of going into the surgery and I had to coax him in,
and I felt like an utter traitor.
I stroked him as they prepared him, crying and telling him
how sorry I was, and nearly panicked and ran out with him
when they brought out the needle.
But I knew if I did it would only be delaying the inevitable,
and I'd be risking someone, probably a child, being injured,
which I couldn't do. So I went through with it, and in a few
seconds it was over and I'd killed my dog, who trusted me
to look after him.
I told a mailing list I'm on straight away, and they've been
fantastically kind. I was in a daze for days afterwards, and
still have the occasional flashback to that day, but I'm coping
a lot better now, and would love to give a home to another dog,
but my wife doesn't feel ready yet.
Soon, though, I hope. I miss Samson terribly, but while I
feel a lot of guilt for the decision I made, I know there
wasn't another way out, and at least I could make sure I was
with him at the end.
I owed him that.
I know there are some here who will gloat over this email,
but all I can say is that their opinion, their existence,
is irrelevant to me. For the rest of you, the good, decent
majority who frequent this group, I didn't want to just
disappear, and not tell you what had happened, after you
gave me so much sup****t and help from the outset.
Samson was my first dog, and the help I got here made
life much better for him and us while we were together.
If the glad day comes when we do adopt another dog,
I'll let you know. I hope it's soon.
God bless,
--
Steve Walker
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Seems steevie is in DEEP DENIAL~!
From: Steve Walker <skwal...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 2000/10/09
Subject: Re: Sad news (Samson) = I'm GLAD You Killed Samson,
He Was A BAD GENETIC Choice. You Did The Right Thing. Turn
And Don't Look Back.
In article FJ6E5.62103$O95.4439...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Howe <jh...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes
> Nor can I. Nor can Marilyn. She does the same kind of
> work I do. We KNEW this was going to happen, based on steve's original
> posts here...
Jerry, you're still in my killfile, but somehow this one
made it through, so I'll respond before I ignore you again.
You obviously have a very short memory. Samson was not
trained using aggressive, confrontational or harsh methods.
John Rogerson's rehab programme was based entirely on using
kind methods to get Samson's attention even more fixed on us
(which wouldn't have worked if they were not kind), with the
intention that Samson wouldn't even be interested in other
dogs and people, until we had such good control that we
could start to introduce others under controlled cir***stances
that would persuade Samson it was great to have them around.
It worked, in so far as Samson became even more attached
to us, had a perfect recall etc. Unfortunately, this didn't
stop the fact that he might suddenly react aggressively to
even the proximity of a stranger or strange dog.
No aggressive methods were used in this programme. Not one.
But the problem was too deep-rooted, too instinctive, and
Samson just couldn't help himself.
He'd shake if a small child even entered the room, and if
they approached him he'd try to bite them. Not as a reaction
to aggression, but just because he had some deep-rooted fear
issue going back to before we ever had him.
We could not risk that he would injure someone, especially
a child, so we made the decision we did - not lightly, but
with tears.
You, however, are an idiot. Don't bother replying, because
even if one of your posts makes it past the killfile again,
you'll just be binned with the rest of the garbage.
Goodbye.
--
Steve Walker
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From: Dogman <dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 2000/10/08
Subject: Re: Sad news (Samson) = ninnyboy
"JohnK" <jo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> It's too late. I already know what a disgusting, vile
> human being you are. You are to be ignored now.
Come on, John.
It didn't really take that Sampson post for you to know
that Howe is a disgusting, vile human being, did it?
I hope not.
--
Dogman
mailto:dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> essentially for behaving like a dog?
You mean for DEFENDIN HISSELF??
>> Hypothetical situation: Your dog is sleeping on the floor, and your
child
>> accidentally steps on its paw, causing the dog a great amount of pain,
>> and because it was startled,
If the dog FELT SAFE he WOULDN'T BE STARTLED
by a child's normal natural innate behaviors. WOULD HE.
>> blindly reacts by nipping your child on the leg.
Dogs would NEVER bite kids on accHOWENTA
they have natural maternal / paternal INSTINCTS.
>> So, because your dog reacted to pain
But you SEZ dogs DON'T FEEL PAIN just like HOWE we do <{}: ~ ( >
>> in the way that most dogs react to pain,
That's curiHOWES. Dogs ONLY attack when they're AFRAID.
>> you would just kill the dog, essentially
>> for behaving like a dog?
You mean JUST LIKE HOWE Robert Crim MURDERED
his own DEAD DOG Fritz an JUST LIKE HOWE steve
walker MURDERED his own DEAD DOG Sampson an
JUST LIKE HOWE kwbrown MURDERED her own DEAD
hunt trial / brood ***** candidate Teena an JUST LIKE HOWE
laura arlove MURDERED her own DEAD DOG Chewie an
JUST LIKE HOWE purple pony MURDERED her own DEAD
DOG Raggdoll an JUST LIKE HOWE all the other DEAD DOG
LOVERS MURDERED their own DEAD DOGS on accHOWENTA
jerkin chokin shockin bribin an cratin dogs MAKES THEM INSANE?
>> I could go on and on, but I think you get my point.
LikeWIZE <{}: ~ ) >
>> If your answer to any of these hypothetical situations
>> is yes, then you are one sorry SOB.
Perhaps tommy FORGOT his own PERSONAL REAL
LIFE PAL who's DEAD DOG attacked him when he put
IT into the back of his truck for a other SHOCK COLLAR
session at tommy's HOWES??
> That reminds me of the time when Dave Letterman was bitten
> by a dog on his show a few years ago. He does not seem to be
> a real "dog person",
Unlike *yourself*, paulie?
<snip Dave Letterman>
>> And I say that as someone who generally doesn't have a problem with
>> teaching a dog not to jump up on people
>> by using one's knee to push the dog back, etc.,
Of curse not <{}: ~ ) >
>> provided it's done correctly,
Oh, INDEEDY~!
>> which is why I didn't say anything before.
INDEED?:
From: dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Dogman) Date: 1997/11/11
Subject: Re: Koehler's Usefulness--A Concluding *****sment
This, from a yellow-bellied coward who has TOTALLY refused
to engage me in debate, preferring mudslinging, hyperbole, distortion,
lies, exaggeration, and to take Koehler completely out of context,
instead.
What lying hypocrites these hand-wringers are!
The most consistent argument among Koehler's defenders is based
on a questionable assumption that such "drastic" measures are
effective in "extreme" cases where other methods fail.
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>> Yes, there are ways to do that without endangering, or
>> hurting, the dog, and now I'm not so sure that you would even care
about
>> that.
Yeah. Probably not. BEAST to just FORGET abHOWET IT, eh, dog lovers?
>> In fact, you sound like the kind of guy who might actually
>> really *knee* his dog, and forcefully, simply because you enjoy
>> inflicting pain on your dog.
Oh, you mean, LIKE THIS?:
Here's the pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin
anonymHOWES coward, not so handsome, not so
gentle, not so manly, not so happy jackass, not even
morrison aka dogman a.k.a. BIG DADDY, a.k.a.
tommy sorenson:
"I don't know how big you are, kiddo, so this may
not be as easy for you as it is for me, but use a little
"knee action," that is, as the dog goes charging by
you, just give the dog a little bop with your knee
and ****n.
Yep, really lean into it.
Even knock her over, if you can, but make sure to
make her think twice about ru****ng past you again -
- which is exactly what you want her to do.
Don't bother with scolding her, she'll get the message.
If it happens again, just REPEAT the knee action.
When she steps on your toes, just pick up your foot
abruptly and ****ge her with your knee. Again, no
scolding is necessary here, so you don't have to
worry about her "over-reacting."
I don't think this is necessarily a lack of respect
for you, just a lack of training. That is, she just
needs *more* of it."
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>> I hope I'm wrong about that.
tommy wouldn't wanna SPOIL a PERFECT record, eh??
>>>I'm a conservative, not a liberal.
That's nice.
>> Me too. And what that might have to do with treating a dog with respect
>> and kindness, I have no idea.
BET YOUR LIFE ON IT, dog lovers <{}: ~ ) >
>>>Unruly pets get whatever they deserve.
Here again is pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin
anonymHOWES coward, not so handsome, not so
gentle, not so manly, not so happy jackass, not even
morrison aka dogman a.k.a. BIG DADDY, a.k.a.
tommy sorenson:
"My objective is always to find a way that WORKS.
And if it is DANGEROUS behavior that I'm trying
to modify, behavior than can get the dog KILLED,
I will resort to ANYTHING to save him.
A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G.
Okay. Call me a cruel, inhumane, abusive bastard
if you want to, but it doesn't affect me at all.
When you've saved the lives of as many dogs as I
have, you'll learn that that's the only thing that
really matters. Saving lives and making dogs become
good citizens
At no time do the Monks *ever* advocate beating a
dog. A swat on the rump or a check to the chin does
*not* constitute a "beating."
=====================
"Swatting a dog on the nose is
always the wrong thing to do."
SEE?
>> Unruly pets only become unruly because they're unlucky
>> enough to have doofuses and/or assholes for owners.
Oh, you mean LIKE THIS?:
From: qbt...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Dogman)
Date: 1997/01/24
Subject: Re: Over-Excited Lab
On a cold day in Hell, Fri, 24 Jan 1997 12:53:10
Teaching a puppy to stop biting and nipping people is
probably the very easiest thing you will ever do as a dog
trainer. Don't make such a big deal out of it.
It's E-A-S-Y, but it won't be done in just one or
two lessons. You must be C-O-N-S-I-S-T-E-N-T.
And P-A-T-I-E-N-T.
Whenever your puppy bites or nips you (or anyone else
in your family), do any one of the following:
1.) At the same time you say "NO BITE!" in a firm voice,
gently but firmly tap your puppy on its nose with your index
finger.
2.) At the same time you say "NO BITE!" in a firm voice,
gently but firmly grasp your puppy's lower jaw with your
right hand (if you are right handed), your right thumb stuck
down and under her tongue, your other fingers wrapped
under her jaw, and gently but firmly shake her jaw back
and forth a couple of times.
3.) At the same time you say "NO BITE!" in a firm voice,
gently place a couple of fingers into her mouth, trying to
touch the back of her tongue with them, initiating a gag
reflex.
Immediately after doing any one of the above,
stop playing with her for at least 15-20 minutes
and completely IGNORE her. Do not even make
eye contact!
I promise you, Phil, that if you will be consistent in
the application of the above, your puppy will soon stop
nipping and biting people. Just how soon this occurs
depends upon the puppy, how well you execute the
above, and how C-O-N-S-I-S-T-E-N-T you are.
And no one should be allowed to play with the puppy
who is not capable of doing any of the above. Not
until she has first learned not to nip and bite people.
"At the very FIRST nip, tap your puppy on his nose with
your index finger, sharply, but not very hard, your face in
his face, and say "NO BITE!" in a firm but not loud voice."
"With your index finger, tap the puppy on her nose firmly,
but not harshly, then, at the very same time, and nose to
nose with her, tell your puppy in a firm but not loud voice,
"NO BITE!"
"At the same time you say "NO BITE!" in a firm voice,
gently but firmly tap your puppy on its nose with your
index finger."
BUT NEVER HIT YOUR DOG~!
Swatting a dog on the nose is always
the wrong thing to do.
IMO, the *fastest* way to curb a mouthy puppy's
desire to bite hands (especially if other methods
have failed, because you don't want this habit to
become reinforced by too much success), etc., is
to take advantage of the pup's gag reflex:
Slowly reach over and around the pup's shoulder
(while you're sitting on the floor), coming up to
the pup's mouth from underneath it with your
right hand (that way he can't see your finger or
your hand), and stick your index finger into the
pup's mouth, at the very rear, then down the
pup's throat, and gently place some downward
pressure on the back of the tongue, until he starts
to gag. Use your left arm to hold him close to you,
while you're doing this.
Trust me, it's easier to demonstrate this technique
than to explain it, but it's fail-proof.
He'll quickly put 2 and 2 together. Biting hands = gag.
--
Handsome Jack Morrison
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SEE?
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>> Usually, whatever a dog is, or isn't, is the
>> direct result of what its owner is, or isn't.
Oh? Oh, you mean YOU GET the critter you TRAINED??
> I had no idea that Steve's method was a knee to the chest.
Yeah. LUCKY thing paulie asked an got the INFORMATION
so we can DISSCUSS it on HOWER forum, eh, paulie??
> Perhaps that might be necessary in extreme situations,
You mean, like if the dog was to jump on a
CONGENITAL CRIPPLE, like *yourself*, paulie?
> but it really seems like punching someone's
> lights out for giving you a hug.
Yeah? Well, some of us just AIN'T the *huggy* type <{}: ~ ( >
<snip self servin IDIOCY>
> But he does really enjoy going on his walks, and especially when I take
> him on the trail where he can meet other people
> and dogs.
LIKE THIS:
From: "Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 15:01:40 -0400
Subject: Re: i hate off-leash dogs.
I do miss the days of my childhood when we thought nothing
of walking our medium sized, very sweet and friendly dog
without a leash, although sometimes we did when we were
near a busy road. Yet I have a very vivid and terrible memory
of the time when my dog was viciously attacked by a larger
dog in the woods near our house.
The girl who owned the dog was beating it with a stick, and
I stabbed it in the neck. Both dogs survived, but after that, I
always carried a stout stick with me when walking our dog.
This was back in the 60s, when leash laws were very lax or
non-existent, and before everybody was lawsuit crazy, and
when the few drug dealers and thugs in the few bad areas of
town were deathly afraid of all big dogs.
Paul, Muttley and Lucky
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> And most people enjoy meeting him and remark how well-behaved he is.
INDEED?:
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
90 From: Sionnach
Date: Mon, Oct 9 2006 1:19 am
Email: "Sionnach" <rhyfe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
*I* was thanking the Deity that the NCR trail
was not my choice of hiking area today!!!!
Sorry, Paul, but the gloves are now off, because if I HAD
chosen the NCR trail today - rather than another local trail-
you would have been putting ***MY*** beloved dogs at
risk of serious injury or death. ***MY*** DOGS.
What the ****ING HELL is **WRONG** with you???
Your dog, which you have repeatedly admitted you can't
control, just made a near-lethal unprovoked attack on
another dog in obedience class, and you TOOK HIM
OUT ON THE TRAILS WHERE THERE ARE OTHER
DOGS?????
You do that again, when my dogs are around, and he attacks
one of them, you won't have to worry about having him put
down - I will either break his spine or choke him to death
right then and there.
I'm dead ****ing serious, Mr. Schoen.
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SEE?
> He slipped away from me for a short time last week
AGAIN? Naaaaah??
> and he took his own walk along the other side of the stream, and ended
up
> at my neighbor's house. He has a little Papillon named "Bug", and also a
> cat, and I'm sure he was anxious to
> check them out.
Yeah?
Muttley made short work of your own DEAD KAT Photon:
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
<snip>
If I did not have to worry about my cat, I would
probably keep him, and I am certain I could avoid
any more dangerous episodes. I probably would
not have taken him to obedience cl***** at this time
if that was not such a difficult issue, and if people
here had not essentially shamed me into doing so.
Then he would only be a bratty dog with a mind of
his own, but he would not have been identified as
dangerous.
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BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
IS THIS your DEAD KAT Photon?:
http://tinyurl.com/2qr9ry
Did paulie's DEAD KAT run HOWET on
paulie an his RESCUE dog Muttley??
Hey! I think I FHOWEND him on the side of the
road JUST LIKE in the picture, but withHOWET
the sign.
Is he black an red?
If you don't want him back maybe I can keep him?
I think he's still good. He's up the road a piece from
here an there's a little on the other side of the road
there an some in the middle not far from me here.
You want him back to make sure he gets a good HOWES?
He still looks pretty good. A tad lonely maybe. Just like
in the pic, EXXXCEPT MOORE of him in MOORE pics.
Same profile, HOWEver.
BWEEEAAAAHAHAAHAHAAA!!!
> After I had Muttley back on his leash,
<snip self serving IDIOCY>
> Now I will have to be more careful with Muttley,
That so?
> as he seems to have enjoyed his freedom and I can
> sense that he wants to do it again if I give him a chance.
You could PERIMETER train Muttley in just a few
minutes if you knew HOWE, paulie <{}: ~ ) >
LIKE THIS:
From: misty (Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?
Date: 2002-01-23 07:46:16 PST
Beth wrote:
> So, jerry's techniques didnt' work for Peach?
Never had a chance to try them on her... I was still
using the e-fence and chains to keep her in the yard.
The suggestions I received here to keep Peach home
were: build a fence... wasn't going to happen.. we plan
on putting a modular home here within the next few years...
put more fence at the top of the pen I used so both dogs
could play bitey face w/o tangling, and similar suggestions.
Jerry was the only one to mention border training... but he
was kook supreme ;-P So I ignored him... no killfiles with
webtv.. at that time Jerry had his own troll, somewhat like
Candace, so the group was not very conducive to learning
anything. At one point I even b*tched about Jerry.
By the time I tried out Jerry's manual Peach had
already ran away.
Not very good at the google groups search but you'll find my
first post at "runaway dog message 30" within that thread is
mention of the dogs taking off and being gone for 2 days. I
stopped posting for a bit... my middle boy was devastated that
his dog was gone... Zelda came home but not her mom.
The next few posts from me were ones about/to Jerry.
Then Jerry made the WETM accessible for webbes, I put it in
my e-mail ( no storage otherwise on webby unless you put stuff
on a webpage) and read it, read it and read it.
Once I understood what the concept was, I implemented it on
Zelda. It worked and I now have a great housedog!
I only regret that my own distrust of Jerry caused me to lose
another wonderful dog. Peach was an absolute gem with little
kids. I and my boys still miss her. Sometimes I still look
to see if she came home when we get back from trips. Maybe
Peach would still have ran away... I don't know and never
will....
~misty
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"misty" <Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote in message
I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do
know she's not here with us. I really can't blame
anyone here for her loss.
I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it
because of how you write/wrote. I was unwilling
to accept the idea that my using a shock collar
could have any bearing on Peach not wanting
to stay home.
Up until I started using it my main concern had
been keeping my dogs in their own yard.
Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my
concern became how to keep them from running
off for days on end.
I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled
in the anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.
I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the
world now <g> A Wits End Trained dog, one who
is completely housetrained, doesn't chew up stuff,
stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all the time.
IOW a great companion and friend.
Thanks Jerry!
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misty" <Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:6946-3B6337A1-329@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring.
Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and
no collars.
Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want
to come back in the yard and would run for days.
The last time, Peach didn't come back home.
I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how
to train my dog. She is now border trained. A few
minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in
the yard.
She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop
her from chasing cats and she no longer cringes
when we walk around the yard.
I can not say loud or long enough how much I
hate the e-fence and its collars. If you can't get
a regular fence then you need to train your dog.
I will never rely on an electronic collar to
keep my dog in our yard again.
The price was too high:-(
~misty
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From: Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(misty)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:44:25 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: Anyone tried the Wits End Training manual?
I used the Wit's Ends Training manual to teach myself how
to interact with Zelda. The first read through made no
sense to me...the second time through, things clicked and
the little lightbulb glowed.
I trained Zelda to stay in the yard, not chase cats, to come,
sit ,down, stop chewing toys and to be quiet when she barks
at things she hears outside.
I don't care if 99% of the manual came from 99 other trainers...
I needed the info, it was offered free of charge and any questions
can be asked of Jerry.
One thing about his method, although you can "spot" train
with it, it works best by a pyramid approach.IOW start
at the beginning and go through the exercises in the order
he has them wrote.
The part about "non-physical praise" confused me until I
tried a little experiment. I petted Zelda and told her
what a good girl she was...she enjoyed it, tail wagging.
I then put my hand away from her (behind my back) and
praised her...she got very wiggly, ****ged me with her nose,
pawed at me and wanted more praise. Not very scientific,
I know, but it was interesting to me how excited she got.
I find that I'm starting to use Jerry's method to "train"
my kids as well:-)
~misty
My "daughter" http://community-2.webtv.net/Momisty/ZeldaAnneArensdorf/
My sons http://community-2.webtv.net/Momisty/Arensdorf14Acre/
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> Muttley is certainly treated with respect and kindness,
Oh, INDEEDY~!:
paulie wrote:
Your non-violent methods for dogs ring hollow
when you use verbal violence against other dog
owners, thus triggering their own opposition
reflexes. I will try other non-violent methods
that communicate what is expected of the dog.
And I don't believe that proper use of a prong
collar or choker chain are evil and physically
hurtful.
[snip verbal abuse]
So you think it is effective to withold praise,
but offer it as a bribe to get people to follow
your methods? Or promise you will stop beating
them if they obey your commands? Yet never do
it for a dog?
Paul and Muttley (almost fully recovered from
Arbitrary Praise Neurosis)
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"so now he accuses me of yanking and choking my
dog on a prong collar to force him into obedience,"
SEE?
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> and although he really should be more obedient,
> he does not pose any real problems for me in the house or in public, and
> that's good enough for me.
INDEED?:
"I thought I was told that the way to get the dog to go
down was to make him sit and then step on the leash.
That was awkward and didn't seem to work.
I will confess that I only tried the "down" position
once or twice at home, and I also often used it
instead of "Off" when I wanted him to stop
jumping on me or elsewhere I didn't want him to be.
I had to give him corrections every few seconds,
and also just about kick him, to keep him at my
left side.
Muttley is really a very sweet and loving dog, but
he needs more socialization with other dogs. However,
it is very likely that I will have him put down in a week."
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
Hello everyone:
If you have followed some of my posts, you know
something about the ongoing story of Muttley, the
large GSD/Chow dog I have been trying to adopt
or place in a better home.
I will add a bit more history later in this post.
Last Tuesday, toward the end of Janet's obedience
class, Muttley and I had just finished fairly successfully
performing a sit/stay/come routine, and then he was
sitting by my side.
The final routine was to be a "down", which Muttley
has had some difficulty with, and frankly I have not
had the time to work with him much on that.
I was kneeling at his side, trying to hold his collar
while pu****ng his front legs down to the position,
while he resisted. Suddenly he lunged, knocking
me over onto the parking lot, and I lost grip of the
leash as I reflexively broke my fall.
Muttley took the op****tunity to attack a young black
male Lab to my left, and it was a very brutal attack.
Janet and the instructors tried to gain control, and as
soon as I could get to my feet I grabbed the leash and
pulled him off.
That was the end of the class, and the other dog,
Bernie, was taken to an animal hospital for treatment.
When everyone had left, Janet counseled me about
what should be done about Muttley.
She said this was more than ordinary aggression,
and only intensive (and expensive) one on one
training would have any chance at working, and
in any case, he was not suited to group training.
She advised me that Muttley could be dangerous,
and she recommended that he be euthanized.
"They can't all be saved".
<snip>
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Here's janet's REAL LIFE IN PERSON "student" paul:
#2 - 6/05/07
>> When I was training him under Janet's supervision I
>> was instructed to give it a ? firm yank as a correction.
> I advised you to use a prong collar, not give firm yanks
> on a chain choke collar. I hate the things.
>> She was able to get his attention with just a quick tug, but I
>> had to yank on it hard enough to lift him off his feet to get him
>> to respond.
>
>> Looking back now, I think it was based on his fear, which he
>> had for her (as an unknown), but not for me (whom he had
>> learned to trust).
> He wasn't afraid of me. He knew I was a confident trainer.
> Fear has no place in dog training, as I told you THEN.
> Janet.
It seems to me that applying stern corrections, by
popping a choker chain, prong collar, or whatever,
is a way to ensure compliance by instilling a fear
of further punishment.
Sure, if it is administered very consistently
by a confident trainer, the dog soon learns
to obey. There was no positive reinforcement,
so what remains is negative.
Also, I recall the time you were going to show me
how I could get Muttley to take his rawhide treat
from me without lunging for it. When you offered
it to him, he refused to take it. This IMHO is likely
a fear behavior.
Things have changed a lot since then, and I have
learned a lot, and Muttley has settled down quite
a bit. I probably still give him too much freedom
to think on his own, but that's just my way of
doing things, and that's probably not going to
change much. He may never win an obedience
medal, but I don't think he is dangerously out
of control, either.
Paul and Muttley
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
<snip>
If I did not have to worry about my cat, I would
probably keep him, and I am certain I could avoid
any more dangerous episodes. I probably would
not have taken him to obedience cl***** at this time
if that was not such a difficult issue, and if people
here had not essentially shamed me into doing so.
Then he would only be a bratty dog with a mind of
his own, but he would not have been identified as
dangerous.
--------------------------
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
down (his appointment is next Wednesday),
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> But perhaps I should start looking for a trainer who can show me some
less
> forceful and physical methods
Ain't you already done that, paulie?:
"Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
stern correction" --Janet Boss
Here's paulie's CUSTOME MADE pronged spiked pinch choke collar:
http://tinyurl.com/5m6ppt
"J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:20040324071828.07753.00000001@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
He was next to me and I could see his neck
muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
Janet Boss
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:20040323173916.10096.00001938@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > dog like a Lab.
An INSENSITIVE DOG???
> > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> > I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.
Do you think the citronella collar is CRUEL
cause the SMELL LINGERS after the dog's
been sprayed in the face and the dog won't
know HOWE COME IT was MACED?
janet CONtinues:
> > My dogs are not human children wearing fur- they are DOGS.
> > I don't have anything against electronic bark collars, but they
> > should be used in conjunction with actually working at training
> > your dog(s).
They're DUMB ANIMALS these MENTALLY ILL LYING
DOG ABUSERS HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER.
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> that might work to improve his leash pulling, and possibly instill some
> recall.
Oh, you mean LIKE THIS, paulie?:
From: <>
To: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: Damned Family Leader****p Exercise -
Re: Am I expecting to much
Hi Jerry,
When I talked to you on the phone to order to machine
for daughter's new pup, I told you that I had an older
Chessie. I rescued him at 9 years old and have had
him for 3 years.
It's funny, but I thought I'd try some of your book
training with him. Where I used to say "come" and
then say "good boy" when he obeyed, I have reversed
it with a "good boy" first.
It really does work.
He was very confused at first, wondering
what he had done to get the praise.
But it really gets the attention and distracts him from
whatever he may have going through his brain when
he hears it.
Dogs are funny, but people are too. Can't wait to get
the Doggy do Right, etc.
Thanks,
N
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AND LIKE THIS, paulie?:
"Greg M. Silverman" <gmsNOS...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
Hey, Mr. Wizard, or Alchemist or whatever your alias
of the day is, have to say that our dog heels much
better than she did. This is after reading and
implementing the bit in your "Wits End" treatise.
And she's a royal nutter (but then again, aren't they all?).
Cheers! Greg--
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"Leprechaun" <Leprech...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:m01Hc.20882$uK.16329@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Jerry believes he's a dog trainer.
Fortunately, I happen to believe he is too.
I took a rescued three year old beagle that
had been kept outside all of its life that didn't
even recognize or respond to its name to
Jerry's home (That ugly cinder block shack???
get real) and in just over one hour of working
with the dog, he was coming on command
(not a quickly as he does now, but still...) and
walking with us on a loose lead.
His "hot/cold" exercise and "come when called"
command and pack exercise WORK!
> and in all likelihood he's never even been near a dog.
Well, he's been near mine, and done wonders for him.
You don't have to like him. You don't have
to agree with his methods, but as far as I
am concerned, I've never seen any other
training approach that was as fast and easy.
<<<< Rest of original post deleted >>>>
Ron Flanagan
Orlando, Florida
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SEE?
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"Hennie van Dalen" <h.vandalen11***removethis...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote in message news:TlsCb.2895$7U1.7896@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
is age-old computer lingo.... It stands for "Read The
F***ing Manual" ;-) I used the manual and it works very good!
But it is a long text to read (76 pages printed on A4-size
paper) My lab is 1year old now, and teaching him something
new takes about 30minutes (depending on what to teach offcourse)
My other dog (a 7year old stafford****re terrier-mix) is a bit
slower in learning, but he is used to me calling him a "bad
dog"whenever he did something i didn't want him to do, or
it might be the age.
Sometimes it looks like Sam (the lab) WANTS to learn
something new: he wants me to bring along the can
filled with washers whenever we go for a walk. It is a
very "humane" way of teaching: the dog is allways a
"good dog", and never a "bad dog"
There is nu punishment or prong-collars involved.
For a fact i tought him to heel in 15min's without
beeing on a leach at-all !!! When he spotted a dog,
he used to run towards it, but now i tought him to "ask
permission" first, and to my surprise it worked!
My dogs never went to puppy-training (lucky for them),
maybe this helped too.
Manual can be found at http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html
-- Hennie van Dalen www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11
www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fotografie/doggy-pictures/
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"Ama...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
" wrote:
No, the dog learned that I would hold still the second she
began to pull. She would pull to go where *she* wanted.
Well if she wanted to stop and go in another direction...
say to sniff my neighbors yard.. she learned if she wanted
to do it I would stop walking and she could go.. and if there
wasn't enough slack on her lead she would just pull me.
Then when she got done doing *her* thing, she woudl heel..
smile at me and wait for me to say "let's go" and finish *my*
thing.
I would refuse to move .. i looked like an idiot.. freezing
mid walk for minutes waiting for *my* dog to heel and give
*me* permission to go again.
I did the treats and the let's go... she got to do her
stuff and get a cookie.. if she even wanted the cookie.
I wound up calling Jerry.. as I have a half red nose pit
and half amstaff.. who is incredibly protective.. we had
a new pup on the way.. and i needed help..
i followed petsmarts trainnign guides.. memorized them...
and they *did* work, don't get me wrong.. but only when my
pet wanted a cookie or felt the cookie was better than what
she wanted.. which was not often.
She quickly learned to ignore my commands if she could see
my hands were empty. So I called Jerry... he chatted me
for about an hour and a half.. gave me his link... and even
when i had probs intro'ing the pup he called me withn i5 mins
of my email for help at 10pm on a sunday night.
One.. singular.. uno family pack exercise after the hot
and cold exercise and i could zig zag down my street..
about face .. whatever.. and never had tension.
two men were acrossed the street and she walked right
by them... ordinarily she'd snarl and protect us.
And in two days.. my dog.. who bit the puppy if he even
looked like he was going near my husband or kids.. is
nursing him every hour.. cleaning him.. rough housing
gently.. and teaching him to go potty outside.. actually
watches him to make sure he doesn't go in the house...
and has milk.. which is awesome since she's 19 months old
and has never had a litter.
She also has stopped barking non stop at our neighbor's
dogs and pig.. does not bark at eveyr car that drives by
and has stopped jumping on people. she's even starting
to ignore our cat who has lived on her dome litter box
and our window sill (literally) for over a year and a half.
She also does her commands on cue..and doesn't look for a treat.
Amanda.
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"Paul B" <some...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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When I trained both my dogs to "heel" or walk close
to me I ended up going to the parks and teaching
them without a lead at all, that ensured I had to use
good communication and was unable to be tempted
to use the lead to correct them.
Another part of the training I agree with is not using
the "policeman" approach, where you tell a dog "no"
or react with it in such a way that you become involved
in the behaviour (by trying to stop it), this approach
often results in a dog ceasing the behaviour when you
are about but doing it when you aren't (bin raiding,
counter surfing etc).
Basically you are taught to make your dog a good
friend who likes and wants to work for you for the
pleasure of working for you (setting the hierarchy
is included in this), teach it to recall reliably,
then to do everything else (sit, stay down etc etc).
Unwanted behaviours are addressed as they occur.
If you understand what you are trying to achieve and
are prepared to work with it you can get great results.
Paul
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AND LIKE THIS:
Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me!
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:33:36 -0500
Message-ID: uim43blqq1h...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I gotta speak up here... We've been using
Jerry's methods with our dog. We had the same
problem as the original poster has with Buzz.
One day working with the family pack exercise
and practicing the recall command with the family
and she'll now go out with hubby and daughter
instead of needing me to reassure her or even
refusing to go with anyone but me.
I really urge you, regardless of the negative
things you might hear about Jerry & Wits'
End here, to try the method and *judge the
results for yourself*.
Let's see what other areas she's improved in...
always comes when called, not chewing stuff
even if we leave it laying around, "re" housebroken
after long shelter stay, walks perfectly on leash,
doesn't try to steal food from our plates or beg...
probably a few more things I'm forgetting to mention.
*(Yeah, the kats lay off the koi and don't wander. jh).
That's in about a week's time.
Her overall demeanor has changed. When
we brought her home she was very untrusting
and ultra-submissive (except with her area/toys
where she was possessive and nippy).
She had been abused and beaten by previous
owners, then she was in a shelter for months.
They (most of them) wanted to give up and kill
her.
Now she's gained confidenceand trust with us.
Last night was another big breakthrough
(in my eyes). She barked! Big deal, she
barked just once when she heard the front
door. Great!
Anyway, you'll be told lots of nasty stuff about
Jerry or that the Wits' End manual is culled
from other sources. In my opinion, even if it
is, it takes only the good stuff and leaves
out the bad.
Works for me.
(And I suppose I gotta say this... I don't know
Jerry personally. I've emailed him and instant
messaged him. I have not bought a "Doggy
Do Right". He's offered help for free.)
M.
--
Ms. Mick Owen Crneckiy
http://www.crneckiy.com
& http://tarot.crneckiy.com
E-mail & MSN Messenger: m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
& Yahoo!: MickCrneckiy ~ ICQ: 72461227
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LikeWIZE I could give you a few dozen POSTED CASE
HISTORIES of folks who've learned how to install the come
command as a conditional reflex in just a few minutes using
EFFECTIVE NON PHYSICALSCIENTIFIC Pavlovian and
Ericksonian CONditioning <{}': ~ ) >
LIKE THIS:
ballzde...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> Well I am happy to reply that so far after 10
> minutes of work and the cans from mr Howes guide,
You mean The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual <{); ~ ) >
> I have instilled the "come" command to Riley.
Good. You mean INSTALLED the come command as
a conditional reflex. Be SHORE to perform the
EXXXORCISES four times in each of four locations.
> He is an extremley smart dog, I have never had
> to go to the third or fourth try.
Good. DON'T SKIP ANY THING in your FREE COPY
of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual <{); ~ ) >
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From: "BarbnBeau" <bdea...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:52:30 -0500
Re: Puppy Wizard's Website
Hi Buzzsaw
Not a Thing to lose ...But a Lot To Gain!!
I can only speak from my experience.. I have a 8 month
old miniature poodle, and although I had done some basic
training with him we had a few barking issues ..ugh
I am happy to tell you, I contacted Jerry at the email
addy I posted and he was so great! I wasn't following
the technique precisely but he helped me get back on track.
Beau is doing sooooo well it is really a thrill working
with him, and seeing the remarkable changes.
Now I can ask for "recall" (come) both on and off lead
and it is immediate!
the first time I ask.
Best of Luck to you,
Remember if you need help or explanation contact Jerry ..
he will be more than happy to help anyway he can.
Cheers
Barb
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SEE?
AND LIKE THIS:
From: Lindalee
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: dog aggression - Today Seemed Like A Miracle -
WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING!
Sun****ne is still acting like a new dog!
Saw a dog today and "good boy-" worked along
with calling him-came the first time every time.
Not even a sound out of him.
Think it is hard for him but he never even
seemed to think about going off-reacting.
The word come has no affect on him just
the phrase--Sun****ne come goodboy.
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SEE?
AND LIKE THIS:
Hi, Jerry.
I'm not sure that I'm a 100% convert, or that I agree with
(or even understand) 100% of what you say in this manual ...
BUT ... we had "come" down pat in a few reps and you
could have knocked me down when I tried the exercise
with "drop" and, after a few reps in different spots Darwin
practically *threw* the rubber ball at my feet on command.
He's still not perfect (just a pup, after all, and he's stubborn
enough to want to push and test me a little bit more).
For what it's worth, I can see (as no doubt you have) how
your usenet manner is likely to rankle a few folks, but that
woman who advocates ear pulling and beating with sticks
deserves everything she gets.
Even if that was the only method that would work, I'd live
with my dog not fetching rather than do any of that. (Darwin
fetches enthusiastically and instinctively, tho').
Best, ben
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AND LIKE THIS:
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:06 AM
Hello.
I never posted here (or anywhere) before.
I never trained or owned a dog before this
year.
I downloaded the Wit's End, read it, corresponded
with Mr. Howe and trained my dog to come and to
stop barking in a weekend.
Our dog, Jake, had been treated with kindness the
whole time we had him, about 10 months, but his
earlier life is unknown.
I worked on the hot-cold exercise for about 30
minutes when he suddenly "got it". After that
he came to me every time with no hesitation.
I used the cans filled with pennies to teach him
not to bark. If he now starts to bark, I go to the
door or window, say "Good Boy, its' alright" and
he usually calms down right away.
A couple of times I had to get the cans
out again to reinforce the behavior.
We feel a strong bond with this animal
and he is very eager to accept our love.
So with all the vitriolic spewing going on,
I have to believe Mr. Howe is right.
His method worked for us.
I don't know if it would have been quite
as effective if we had tried another method first.
Florence
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From: lucyaa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mon, May 23 2005 1:08 am
Email: lucyaa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> Anyone else have an opinion?
I'm not a trainer and my experience is limited to my two dogs, so take
it for what it's worth. As someone who had to deal with a puppy who
had his own ideas about what was and what wasn't "proper behavior",
I was very happy to find The Amazing Puppy Wizard's dog training
method.
It is a method that is gentle to the dog, very easy to apply and it has
been working wonderfully with both my dogs, giving practically instant
results. It was as if I had been given the "key" to understanding and
controlling my puppy's behavior: suddenly, he was listening to me,
doing what I was asking him to do, instead of constantly opposing me.
It also worked with some issues my older dog had, too - her fear of
thunder, her barking and her aggression towards another female dog.
Don't let either the first impression about the "weirdness" of The
Amazing Puppy Wizard, or the regulars' negative opinion of him
(there's a long history behind it) deter you from at least reading
the manual and deciding for yourself if you want to try it or not.
I wish all the best to you and your dog.
Lucy
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"Linda" <llindaleedan...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote in message
news:
I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my
dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age.
I do not know what started the problem but he came
aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and
snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone
and could play with any dog. He was well socialized
ad I took him with me everywhere.
At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but
it was not working on his aggression problem.
I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet,
trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse.
They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated
and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then
suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not
working as he was becoming more aggressive.
I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph. D. 400 miles
away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book
on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to
use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.
I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG
ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE
LEASH", ETC looking for help. We finally went to Purdue
University Small Animal Behavior Clinic and they said he
had fear aggression, punishment would not work, use the
gentle leader and when out walking and he got stressed
have the people stop until he could get in control using
treats, and work on clicker training.
At that point I knew more about clicker training and using
the gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he
would not come when I called him and would run away when
I tried to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the
neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and women who
hasn't trained her dog"
I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who
were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two
were so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one
said I should give up on him and kill him but they would
say "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are
responsible for him."
*(You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sun****ne
DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.)
As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on
going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr
Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do
Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.
He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could
not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.
The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End.
I had been working for 18 months!
Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes
from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next
I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three
blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the
can sound and he looked at me like uhn?
I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
-the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked
on by.
When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at
me like "you must be out of your mind"
The results can make a believer!!!
Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training
Manual program I walked him without the gentle leader
in a busy shopping area with many dogs.
He just seemed to not notice any one.
When people talked to him or ask his name he would
look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.
I still can not believe the change in him--we can now
enjoy life out in public.
If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone
Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his
toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.
My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that
dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with
out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!
I know most people would have given up on him a long time
ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ
but only with the right approach-sound and praise.
I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!
================================
From: Linda Daniel
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression
Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
save so many lives. I know at times I was so frustrated I
thought of giving up on Sun****ne but of course I never would
have but many people would have. The world just does not
know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
solve problems.
We will be here until late April and we really have no plans-
-just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time
you could meet us would be great. I drive so I would be
happy to come to you anytime anywhere!
We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people
would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went
to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.
He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
those on rollerblades! I have always used a gentle leader
in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!
Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose. He never
pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
a hard time getting him going--at times I think he could
smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.
I can never thank you enough for giving Sun****ne back!!!!!
I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
a problem with other people and dogs.
I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
and not move until we backed away-
- can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street
until I get his attention with treats.
They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.
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