HOWEDY not so happy, not so handsome, not so gentle j
ackass, not even jack morrison, a.k.a. BIG DADDY a.k.a.
DOGMAN a.k.a. tommy sorenson of sorenson's Retriever
PUPPY MILL and SHOCK COLLAR and koehler book /
monkes of not so new skeete SALES,
"Handsome Jack Morrison" <handsomejackmorrison@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>
> http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/07/06/america/pets.php
>
Jack "The Unpalatable Barbarian" Morrison wrote:
> How dare they arrest this fine gentleman!
You mean, for makin his pet his beast friend?
> Surely some liberal judge somewhere can find
> in our constitution a man's right to have ***
> with an animal?
HOWE COME you think F'n a ANIMAL that WILLINGLY
PARTICIPATES is CRIMINAl, yet jerking choking shocking
and beating them with sticks is NORMAL?
IT AIN'T, tommy.
IN FACT, in some states beastiality is LEGAL, tommy.
Perhaps you should research it. You'll likeWIZE find
that DOG TRAINERS have been ARRESTED for DOIN
what YOU DO to dogs, tommy.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard is gonna see to it that
your viciHOWES abuse of dogs in the name of
"training" is HOWEtlawed in EVERY state, tommy.
> And then, of course, the state of Massachusetts
> will probably rush to become the first state in
> the union to allow marriage between a man and his palomino:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/
localnews/2002569751_horse***19m.html
espassing charged in horse-*** case
By Jennifer Sullivan
Seattle Times staff re****ter
KEN LAMBERT / THE SEATTLE TIMES
A TV cameraman was among those scrutinizing an Enumclaw-area
farm July 15, 2005. Authorities were investigating re****ts of bestiality
after the death of a Seattle man.
An Enumclaw-area man who authorities say helped run a farm where
people had *** with animals was charged with a misdemeanor yesterday
in connection with a Seattle man's death.
Police began investigating James Tait, 54, and another man who lived
at the rural Southeast King County farm after the Seattle man died of
injuries suffered during intercourse with a horse at a neighboring farm,
Enumclaw police said.
The criminal-trespassing charge stems from a July 2 bestiality session
involving Tait, the 45-year-old Seattle man and a horse in a neighbor's
barn, charging papers say. According to the King County Medical Examiner's
Office, the Seattle man died of acute peritonitis due to perforation of
the
colon.
Attempts to contact Tait yesterday were unsuccessful.
King County prosecutors say it's the most-severe charge they could
file; Wa****ngton is one of more than a dozen states that does not outlaw
bestiality.
"There is no evidence of injury to the animal to sup****t animal-cruelty
charges," said Dan Satterberg, the county prosecutor's chief of staff.
"This is the only crime we can charge."
----------------------
If that's their preference there shouldn't be no LAWS
against it, tommy. HOWEver, the PROBLEM would
be legal owner****p and inheritance, taxes etc.
Have you yet to see a DOG who PREFERS gettin
BRUTALIZED by you jerking choking beating and
shocking it to gettin some cootchie-chootchie, tommy?
> <sigh>
"<Sigh>", tommy? Just WON of the girls, eh tommy?
Here's sumpthin to "SIGH" abHOWET, tommy:
HOWE COME would not so handsome, not so gentle,
not so manly, not so happy jackass, not even morrison,
aka dogman a.k.a. BIG DADDY, a.k.a. tommy sorenson
set his INFORMATIVE POSTS to EXXXPIRE in six days
like matt a.k.a. rocky, elegy, montana, diddler, professora
melanie chang, cindy title moore of k9web.com, and not so
happy, not so handsome, not so gentle jackass, not even jack
morrison, a.k.a. BIG DADDY a.k.a. DOGMAN a.k.a. tommy
sorenson of sorenson's Retriever PUPPY MILL and SHOCK
COLLAR SALES??
Are they EMBARRASSED by their own words, the lyin animal
murderin punk thug coward mental cases frauds an SCAM ARTISTS?
matty aka Rocky EXXXPLAINS HOWE COME:
"Rocky" <2d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
For reasons I'll only explain privately, I've gone no
archive, and it's a shame. Once in a while, while
looking for something else, I'll run into an old post
of mine. What an idiotic response!
Whoops.
----------o------------
BWEEEAAAHAHAAAHAAHAAA!~!~!
Not so handsome, not so gentle, not so manly, not so
happy jackass, not even morrison aka dogman a.k.a.
BIG DADDY, a.k.a. tommy sorenson, sez:
"I don't know how big you are, kiddo, so this may
not be as easy for you as it is for me, but use
a little "knee action," that is, as the dog goes
charging by you, just give the dog a little bop
with your knee and ****n. Yep, really lean into it.
Even knock her over, if you can, but make sure to
make her think twice about ru****ng past you again -
- which is exactly what you want her to do.
Don't bother with scolding her, she'll get the message.
If it happens again, just REPEAT the knee action.
When she steps on your toes, just pick up your foot
abruptly and ****ge her with your knee. Again, no
scolding is necessary here, so you don't have to
worry about her "over-reacting."
I don't think this is necessarily a lack of respect
for you, just a lack of training. That is, she just
needs *more* of it."
"My objective is always to find a way that WORKS.
And if it is DANGEROUS behavior that I'm trying
to modify, behavior than can get the dog KILLED,
I will resort to ANYTHING to save him.
A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G.
Okay. Call me a cruel, inhumane, abusive bastard
if you want to, but it doesn't affect me at all.
When you've saved the lives of as many dogs as I
have, you'll learn that that's the only thing that
really matters. Saving lives and making dogs become
good citizens
At no time do the Monks *ever* advocate beating a
dog. A swat on the rump or a check to the chin does
*not* constitute a "beating."
=====================
From: dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Dogman)
Date: 1999/01/15
Subject: Re: Another mouthy lab
Get this book:
"The Art of Raising A Puppy," by the Monks of New Skete
If you can't find it locally, you can obtain it
through my Web site (see below).
You'll need it for more than just the usual puppy
"mouthing" problems, anyway.
And good luck with your Lab puppy!
--
Dogman
------------------------
From: osi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Michael Erskine)
Date: 12 Aug 2004 10:09:05 -0700
Subject: My GSD bit me.
The question:
I have a four year old male GSD. He growls
at me sometimes. When he growls at me he
stares me in the face and lays his ears back.
The New Skete books say that the dog should not be
allowed to do that. They suggest shaking down the
dog by grabing the dog on the sides of his neck and
picking him off his front feet, then giving the dog the
same sort of treatment the dog would give another if
it were challenging him.
Namely getting in the dogs face and letting
the dog know you are the alpha dog.
Well, my dog bit me clearly he felt that I was not
convincing enough or he bit me out of fear.
Anyone got ideas on what to do with this dog that might
help him to decide that he wants to follow and that he
has nothing to fear from me?
----------------------
From: Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:21:14 GMT
Subject: Re: My GSD bit me.
You need to improve your acting skills. Get a werewolf
suit with blood-drenched fangs and claw gloves and THEN
go after your dog.
Knock the **** out of him and don't be afraid to crack
some ribs. Then yank the mask off and shout "SURPRISE!
IT'S ME!" I guarantee you and your dog will have a new
relation****p based on mutual respect.
Keep in mind that the monks of New Skete
were pre-Lon-Chaney.
Charlie
-----------------------
Here's lyingdogDUMMY aka tommy soronson
beatin a dog to HOWEsbreak IT to save ITS life:
But FIRST, a little good KOEHLER trainin:
Koehler On Correcting The Housebreaking
Backslider.
"If the punishment is not severe enough, some of
these "backsliders" will think they're winning and
will continue to mess in the house.
An indelible impression can sometimes be
made by giving the dog a hard spanking of long
duration, then leaving him tied by the mess he's
made so you can come back at twenty minute
intervals and punish him again for the same
thing. (Dogs are REALLY stupid. J.H.)
In most cases, the dog that deliberately does this
disagreeable thing cannot be made reliable by the
light spanking that some owners seem to think is
adequate punishment. It will be better for your dog,
as well as the house, if you really pour it on him."
"Housebreaking Problems:
"The Koehler Method of Dog Training"
Howell Book House, 1996"
Occasionally, there is a pup who seems determined to
relieve himself inside the house, regardless of how
often he has the op****tunity to go outside. This dog
may require punishment.
Make certain he is equipped with a collar
and piece of line so he can't avoid correction.
When you discover a mess, move in fast, take him to
the place of his error, and hold his head close enough
so that he associates his error with the punishment.
Punish him by spanking him with a light strap or
switch. Either one is better than a folded newspaper.
It is im****tant to your future relation****p that you
do not rush at him and start swinging before you get
hold of him.
When he's been spanked, take him outside.
Chances are, if you are careful in your feeding
and close observation, you will not have to do
much puni****ng.
Be consistent in your handling.
To have a pup almost house-broken and then force
him to commit an error by not providing an op****tunity
to go outside is very unfair. Careful planning will
make your job easier.
The same general techniques of housebreaking
apply to grown dogs that are inexperienced in the
house.
For the grown dog who was reliable in the house
and then backslides, the method of correction
differs somewhat.
In this group of "backsliders" we have the
"revenge piddler." This dog protests being alone by
messing on the floor and often in the middle of a bed.
The first step of correction is to confine the dog
closely in a part of the house when you go away, so
that he is constantly reminded of his obligation.
The fact that he once was reliable in the house is
proof that the dog knows right from wrong, and it
leaves you no other course than to punish him
sufficiently to convince him that the satisfaction of
his wrongdoing is not worth the consequences.
If the punishment is not severe enough, some of
these "backsliders" will think they're winning and
will continue to mess in the house.
An indelible impression can sometimes be made
by giving the dog a hard spanking of long duration,
then leaving him tied by the mess he's made so you
can come back at twenty minute intervals and
punish him again for the same thing.
In most cases, the dog that deliberately does this
disagreeable thing cannot be made reliable by the
light spanking that some owners seem to think is
adequate punishment.
It will be better for your dog, as well as the house,
if you really pour it on him.
"Handsome Jack Morrison"
<handsomemorri...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
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> On 26 Jul 2003 22:14:29 GMT, dogstar...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (DogStar716)
wrote:
>
> >>>Never mind dogman :)
> >>
> >>You too? Some folks just never learn.
> >
> >Uh huh :)
>
> One of the signs of mental illness is to say "Uh
> huh" a lot.
>
> >>PS: If the "trainer" you were talking about isn't
> >>on this list, he (or she) is NOT an approved
> >>Koehler trainer, no matter how loud you scream
> >>otherwise.
> >
> >May I laugh again? LOL! One doesn't need to be on
> >a list to use Koehlers methods or teach his
> >methods.
>
> Let me be among the first (apparently) to tell you
> that not every trainer who uses a leash is a
> *Koehler* trainer.
>
> Sheesh.
>
> This person may call herself a Koehler trainer, but
> if she's hanging 12 week old puppies, she's about as
> far from a Koehler trainer as a dog trainer can
> possibly be.
>
> Again, this is just your IGNORANCE showing.
>
> I can call myself a devout Christian, but if I'm not
> adhering to the doctrine, I'm something else.
>
> >>http://www.koehlerdogtraining.com/patoflearn.html
> >Sorry, the very first sentences make me aware that
> >whoever wrote it knows nothing about PR based
> >training:
> >
> >"Amidst the current (and politically correct) trend
> >in Positive Reinforcement Only training systems"
> >
> >You cannot use PR only.
>
> Au contraire. Many, many posters to r.p.d.b. (and
> many other places as well) *claim* that they use
> nothing but R. You know, the PPers.
>
> And they do it quite loudly, too.
>
> Surely you aren't blind (and deaf), as well as
> ignorant?
>
> Those are hard handicaps to overcome, Dogstar.
>
> >And if you knew anything about PR BASED training,
> >you would realize that. It's not all cookies and
> >babytalk.
>
> There is no stronger sup****ter of R than Handsome
> Jack Morrison, but I also use every behavioral tool
> in my bag, including R-, P, and P-, because I know
> that even R has its limits.
>
> You'd know that too, if you didn't have your head in
> the sand.
>
> > But that seems to be the battle cry of the
> > Koehler-ites.
>
> The Koehlerites have no battle cry.
>
> They have behaviorism on their side, and that's more
> than enough.
>
> >I don't need instruction on how to give my dogs a
> >proper leash correction as I do not rely on a leash
> >to control or teach my dog.
>
> That may or may not be suitable for your needs, but
> it's not suitable for the majority of dog owners,
> especially since the advent of leash laws.
>
> Besides, after just a few weeks of proper Koehler
> training, Koehler dogs likewise are no longer in
> need of a leash.
>
> That you apparently don't know that, once again
> shows me just how ignorant of anything to do with
> Koehler you are.
>
> >My last two dogs have been trained offleash right
> >from the start, using rewards for what I like, and
> >nothing for what I don't like.
>
> Good for you, and if that level of training is good
> enough for you, fine. But it's not good enough for
> many of the rest of us.
>
> >Again, I'm not saying Koehler doesn't work.
>
> I really have no idea what you're saying anymore,
> because you apparently know so damn little about
> Koehler and behavioral principles in general that
> it's hard to have an informed discussion with you.
>
> PS: It boggles my mind at how stupid you must be to
> keep denying that those certain harsh methods are
> only for LAST RESORT situations, intended only to
> SAVE A DOG'S LIFE, even after I've repeatedly given
> you direct *quotes* from Koehler's book saying just
> that. It's like you don't even care how stupid
> people think you are, or how devious you are, etc.
> That can't help your cause any. You'd think that
> you'd at least want to *appear* to be honest, even
> if you're not. -- Handsome Jack Morrison *gently
> remove the detonator to reply via e-mail
"Handsome Jack Morrison"
<handsomemorri...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
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> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:52:18 -0400, "Krishur"
> <kris_br...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> >Good books huh?
>
> Absolutely. Some are, in fact, classics.
>
> >Which idea was your favorite, the one where they
> >tell you to alpha roll a "dominant" dog,
>
> There's nothing inherently wrong with rolling a dog
>
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HOWEDY tomh antonoma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 11:30:25 -0500, Elizabeth Naime
> <ena...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >I'm trying to killfile [Jerry] and [eggplant] posts.
lizzy is a long term incurable mental case and
lying dog abusing punk thug coward, tommy.
> > Agent won't take the square brackets as normal characters.
So shove it. Just watch HOWET for the corners.
> > What's the proper way to add bracketed words
> > and phrases to an Agent (Version 1.8, if that's
> > relevant) filter?
Perhaps the freakin MENTAL CASE thinks she's
postin to a programming / IT forum? This is The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual Forum.
We DON'T DO off topic postin here abHOWETS.
> Two filters:
You can't filter a dog.
> subject: {ninnyboy} or {eggplant}
Oh? You mean, the sign of the LYING
DOG ABUSING PUNK THUG COWARD
LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL
CASE?
THAT was devised by ed w of PET LOSS
dot CON and seconded by professor lying
doc SCRUFF SHAKE dermer, the two most
likely dog abusing mental cases to suffer
financially by The Amazing Puppy Wizard
teachin people HOWE to train dogs withHOWET
HURTIN and MURDERIN them.
> author: thepuppywiz...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Amazing Puppy Wizard, if you please. <{) ; ~ ) >
> +TomH
> antonomasia-at-canada-dot-com
Thank you, tomh.
Perhaps you'd like to talk abHOWET dogs?
From: Rocky (mbon...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Leg Humper
Date: 1999/09/14
Bioso...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Jerry Howe) wrote in
<37D698CF.405B0...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>:
>By "sticking your knee up," I can only presume that you are
>suggesting that the people knee the dog in the chest. If
>that's what you meant, just say it, instead of beating around
>the bush to avoid criticism from people like me. That kind of
>crap has got to stop, and that's why I'm here, to help wean
>you guys off of the abuse and into the proper methods of
>dealing with behavior problems.
Jerry, I was appreciating your explanation
up until this last paragraph.
Why did you blow it?
--Matt
"Rocky" <> wrote in message
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> Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> > When you compare using sound and
> > praise to solve a problem with using
> > shock collars, hanging, and punishment
> > how can you criticize the use of sound?
> There's nothing more to be said, then.
> You've made up your mind.
> But you've impressed me by mentioning
> that you're a professor with 30 years of
> experience.
> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
BWWWAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
> > > Jerome Bigge writes:
> > > I do know that hitting, hurting your dog will often
> > > make the dog either aggressive or a fear biter,
> > > neither of which we want to do.
> > And neither does anyone else, Jerome.
> > No matter what Jerry Howe states.
> > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME
The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33
Years Experience.
You DO remember KILLFILING MARILYN for
her coment above regarding her success with
The Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy Separation
Anxiety / Bed Time Calming / Submissive
Urination Technique (STSA/BTC/SUT)?
Perhaps you likeWIZE recall a pediatrician, Dr. Z,
who commented that his bed time calming technique
was quite similar?
> > You're scary Marilyn.
> > Marilyn must be quite a disturbed individual.
> > I feel very sorry for her and her family.
"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry.
Your Method Takes Positive Training To The
Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All
Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank
You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce,
Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.
> > BUT, giving you the benefit of the
> > doubt, please provide a quote (an
> > original quote, not from one of Jerry
> > Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
> > shows a regular poster promoting or
> > using an abusive form of training.
> > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
Is that true, Marilyn?
Of course not~ but THIS IS:
"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap,"
professora gingold.
"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will
Seem Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe.
This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few Times
It Happens, But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth,
author: "Courteous Canine."
"I have heard advice stating that you should
pre-load your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work
as efficiently as possible. What does this mean?
When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first
time, spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth
and walk away. The dog won't be too thrilled with
this but just ignore him and continue your normal
behavior." --Mike Dufort author of the zero selling
book "Courteous Canines"
sinofa***** writes:
> >> What I have said- repeatedly - is that he took
> >> posts from two different people,
> >> took pieces of them out of context,
> >> cobbled them together,
> >> then added his own words:
"Neatly," and "Smartly."
> >>and a fake signature.
"sinofa*****" instead of sionnach.
- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
> >> Which is exactly what he did.
> >> The actual quote is misleading
> >> when taken out of context, and Jerry's
> >> faked "quote" is downright meaningless.
> >Here's Jerry's version
> > "I Dropped The Leash, Threw My
> > Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
> > Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My
> > Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
> > Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into
> > Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And
> > Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofa*****.
> >Here's yours;
> > "I dropped the leash, threw my
> > right arm over the Lab's shoulder,
> > grabbed her opposite foot with my
> > left hand, rolled her on her side,
> > leaned on her, said "GRRRR!" and
> > nipped her ear.
> > --Sara Sionnach
BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!
That's INSANE. Ain't it.
"When you get bagged for lying you're MARKED
FOR LIFE," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY.
BWEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!
From: Mark Shaw (m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Fido-Shock
Date: 2002-04-10 14:12:18 PST
In article <gWLs8.203228$af7.101030@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
"Coleman Brumley" <clbrum...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>Has anyone had experience with this product (Fido-Shock).
>If so, what model number, voltage, etc.?
If you're talking about the pet-grade hotwire system, I have
one. It's to keep boarded dogs out of my flowers.
>I have a 1.5 year St Bernard who is scaling (not clearing --
>more like falling over) our 4 foot fence to visit with owners
>walking their dogs. I thought of raising the fence a foot or
>so, but don't think that'll solve the problem. I've tried
>watching her outside, and give a stern "NO" when she
>props on the fence for a peek over it. No avail.
>I've heard this product works after just a couple of tries.
I take it you're considering running the wire across the top
of the fence? I don't think I'd recommend that, although it
may be worth a try. Watch closely -- the one case where I saw
a hotwire used in this fa****on caused the dog undue stress and
frustration, and he tried even harder to get over the fence.
So be prepared to take it down right away.
That was a Dane, though. With a Saint things might be
different.
--
Mark Shaw
culprit's dogs MURDERED her kat for
standin behind their SHOCK FENCE
just like HOWE liea's dog attacked
her only friend and tried to attack two
little kids for standin in her SHOCK ZONE:
From: culprit (culp...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Video clip......."Nero" practicing bark alert,
while walking backwards
Date: 2004-06-05 18:53:50 PST
"micha el" <spam_yurs...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> Anyway, contrary to your PR, this is what
> it felt like to me when I got shocked by
> Hope's collar.
> It felt like a bomb going off in my
> hand and forearm.
--------------------------------
"Tricia9999" <tricia9...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> >> how effective are these electronic fences in
> >> keeping a dog on a property????
> Some run through it. Others get shocked and become
> too scared to go out in the yard anymore.
> Just heard of a guy that has to rehome his dog,
> because the dog got caught right in the path of
> the shock and will now not go near his person,
> won't go outside.
> Just hides under a desk in the house.
BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHHAAAA!!!
"I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
Humane is one of those hot words that people
can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
There are people who would call a regular chain
link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.
"I know this is a hard subject to bring up without starting the
whole cruelty thread again so I'll state my opinion once and
won't defend it further: any method can be cruel for some
dogs.
Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at the
beginning, but w e'vecomealongwaysincethen.Shetrusts
us now as I mentioned in a recent post. Point is, she's been
rewarded for coming, but she's never been punished, even in
the mildest way, for not coming.
Is it time for that?
What might I look for to tell?"
"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> After talking with the vet yesterday and watching
> Cubbe all day today, I'm convinced that the shaking
> is behavioral, not physical. Naturally I'll continue
> keeping an eye on her, but when I add everything
> up, I don't see symptoms of anything neurological--
> and
....
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HOWEDY liea,
"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> Elizabeth Naime wrote:
> > Guess I can live without Jerry as Subject, but I love
eggplant!
> > Still, you've given me A Plan. So long as ninnyboy
> > doesn't start spamming gardening and recipe newsgroups...
NINNYBOY has been there and done that
on accHOWENT of liea post to them.
> "Ninnyboy" started as an insult
By ed w of PET LOSS dot COIN and seconded
by professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer, HOWER
ANAL-ytic behaviorist from UofWI department of
behavior... the two most likely to SUFFER from
NOT HURTING DOGS to train them.
> and became a tag line, something no one
> was likely to use unless they were talking
> about usenet annoyances.
You mean, The Amazing Puppy Wizard. Your
posting history has THOWESANDS of WARNINGS
to KILLFILE The Amazing Puppy Wizard.
REMEMBER, liea?
> Some regulars didn't like the idea of the insult
CITES PLEASE?
> and wondered if it made the annoyance worse.
Seems you was WONderin if your daily and
weekly occasional warnings was EMBARRASSIN
HOWER DOG LOVERS instead of The Amazing
Puppy Wizard.
> (Nothing I can see accounts for the minor ups and
> downs in how often the annoyance posts or how
> annoying those posts are.)
You'll notice the postings this week have been
the lowest in five years... the trend in daily posts
corrosponds to The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual Students testimonials
and the content of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
Posts.
> Since Jerry infects every thread,
Your dog bit your only friend and tried to attack
two kids when they stepped into her SHOCK
ZONE. Your dog ESCAPES your HOWES
and turned on you and bit your vet on accHOWENT
of you HURT HER and LIE abHOWET it.
> the "Jerry" tag was suggested as a
> way letting everyone know that the
> post was an argument.
People do not argue with The Amazing
Puppy Wizard they call HIM a LIAR and
tell people to KILLFILE HIM so you don't
get EMBARRASSED you lying dog abusing
mental case.
> That way regulars could kill the offending posts
> without killing the whole thread or a particular sender.
You can't post here abHOWETS nodoGgamenedMOORE.
> The trouble with that a new person might have a
> dog named Jerry! No one wanted to miss those posts.
Or a mHOWES named Jerry like disciple cris
who doesn't post here abHOWETS noMOORE:
From: Chris Williams (k9ap...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Howe
Date: 2002-03-26 08:16:19 PST
Engrossing account, Anthony. Our best to Angel
and your family.
A friend, who socializes the kittens I've taken
from a feral cat colony, is using the DDR.
She re****ts far fewer panic problems than
she's had before.
============================
Chris Williams writes:
"The FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual
I do find valuable. Much of it I recognize as what
I've always done without thinking of it as "training".
New stuff, I've used. His anchoring technique erased
the last of Mac's fireworks trauma,"
====================
> Thus the brackets were born. Either [ninnyboy]
> or [Jerry] was to be used to signal that the thread
> had devolved into the old argument.
You mean the OLD ARGUMENT abHOWET HURTING
and MURDERING dogs and LYING abHOWET it, liea?
"I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
Humane is one of those hot words that people
can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
There are people who would call a regular chain
link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.
"I know this is a hard subject to bring up without starting the
whole cruelty thread again so I'll state my opinion once and
won't defend it further: any method can be cruel for some
dogs.
Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at the
beginning, but w e'vecomealongwaysincethen.Shetrusts
us now as I mentioned in a recent post. Point is, she's been
rewarded for coming, but she's never been punished, even in
the mildest way, for not coming.
Is it time for that?
What might I look for to tell?"
"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> After talking with the vet yesterday and watching
> Cubbe all day today, I'm convinced that the shaking
> is behavioral, not physical. Naturally I'll continue
> keeping an eye on her, but when I add everything
> up, I don't see symptoms of anything neurological--
> and the vet agrees.
> --Lia
"Things are beginning to get much worse day
by day and the vets seem unable to help.
http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusMed.WMV
http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusSmall.WMV"
THAT'S AN OCD. His owner CAUSED IT by
MISHANDLING and ABUSING his dog according
to the BEST advice of HOWER Gang Of Lying
Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE
LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES and
ASYLUM ESCAPEES.
From: culprit (culp...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Video clip......."Nero" practicing bark alert,
while walking backwards
Date: 2004-06-05 18:53:50 PST
"micha el" <spam_yurs...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> Anyway, contrary to your PR, this is what
> it felt like to me when I got shocked by
> Hope's collar.
> It felt like a bomb going off in my
> hand and forearm.
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"Tricia9999" <tricia9...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> >> how effective are these electronic fences in
> >> keeping a dog on a property????
> Some run through it. Others get shocked and become
> too scared to go out in the yard anymore.
> Just heard of a guy that has to rehome his dog,
> because the dog got caught right in the path of
> the shock and will now not go near his person,
> won't go outside.
> Just hides under a desk in the house.
BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHHAAAA!!!
> I'm particularly proud of the [eggplant] tag.
Yeah, but you're a MENTAL CASE.
> It is a bit of over the top silliness on my part.
Not when you don't take your anti psychotic meds.
> Every now and then, a new person gets on
> agreeing with or professing to agree with Jerry.
Yeah. The 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Students all over the Whole Wild World
whom you call LIARS and FORGERIES by The Amazing
Puppy Wizard.
> Once again, regulars would get drawn into
> trying to talk rationally with the insane.
You mean SUCCESSFUL dog handlers who
don't HURT INTIMDATE BRIBE CRATE and
MURDER DOGS like you and your pals do?
> Once again, boring discussion would ensue that
> some people seemed to enjoy and that others
> wanted to kill.
You HURT dogs, liea.
> More boring discussion would follow
> about whether the new person was a
> troll or not.
All depends on if they DON'T HURT DOGS, lieah.
> The [eggplant] tag was born to signal those posts.
By you, liea?
> "Eggplant" in this context, means absolutely nothing.
That so?
> I just think it is a funny vegetable.
In Italian it's name might have a FUNNY CONtext in English.
> Ninnyboy has already begun spamming the
> non-dog related newsgroups including the
> food and cooking ones.
Pretty EMBARRASSIN, ain't it, liea. LUCKY thing
so many of them are likeWIZE on the CRAZY
PERSONS groups with culprit aka kelly aka metta
who's dogs just recently MURDERED her DEAD
KAT when she FORGOT to put her SHOCK COLLARS
on them... and like your dog liea, RUNS HOWET
on her and into a neighbor's HOWES for PROTECTION.
> It is easy enough to google on any
> regular's name, find out where that
> regular also posts and spam there,
> thus causing more ruckus.
You mean IDENTIFYING EXXXPOSING and
DISCREDITING you as a lying dog abusing
mental case in front of your quilting pals?
> Luckily, folks outside the dog groups catch
> on a lot faster to what's going on.
Yeah. Many of them are mental cases like yourself:
"Birds of a feather," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY.
> So for what it's worth, this is for our latest eggplant:
> Whenever I say something you don't agree with, I'm
> being facetious or ironic, not wrong. Whenever I say
> something you do agree with, I'm being brilliant.
You're a lying dog abusing mental case liea
and your sez so here abHOWETS ain't credible.
> You'll notice that I'm always right.
You're a lying dog abusing mental case who's
own dog attacked your only friend and an old
dog on the street and tried to attack two children
on accHOWENT of you SHOCK and CHOKE her
and you can't even keep her CONtrained behind
your SHOCK FENCE:
> --Lia
"J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> He was next to me and I could see his neck
> muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
> Janet Boss
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> "J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:20040323173916.10096.00001938@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > > dog like a Lab.
An INSENSITIVE DOG???
> > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> > I had apointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.
Here is a video from Fred which I have a few concerns
about (and maybe Fred can weigh in if he sees fit), THE
SAME "FRED" that johnny would invite to heelp his
shelter dogs learn RESPECT.
This is a video about Nero being taught to get on
a skateboard.
http://www.studioonline.com/playvideos.asp?crypt=A7E284B9ABDFCE0F
or http://tinyurl.com/389al
In this video, the dog is constantly jerking his
head all around. I'm not SHORE why he's doing that.
If he's doing it because he is being shocked repeatedly
into getting onto that skateboard, then it is my
opinion that Fred Hassen is a dog abuser in the
extreme. As would anyone be, no matter how much
"experience" they had shocking dogs, nor how
nationally "respected" they are/were.
If, ...
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From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 04:51:15 GMT
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HOWEDY Master Of Deception blankman,
<T...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:56:56 GMT Julia Altshuler
<jaltshu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> whittled these words:
> > What can I say?
liea got NUTHIN to say here abHOWETS.
> > Quilts have a mind of their own.
Stiff competition, eh?
> > I just do what they say.
Yeah...
"If you talk with the quilts, they will talk with you
and you will know each other.
If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
and what you do not know you will fear.
What one fears, one destroys."
Chief Quilting Bee
> Good thing you are such a good "go with the flow"
> kind of gal.
Your pal liea is a lying dog abusing mental case
like yourself, Master Of Deception blankman:
"I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
Humane is one of those hot words that people
can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
There are people who would call a regular chain
link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.
"I know this is a hard subject to bring up without starting the
whole cruelty thread again so I'll state my opinion once and
won't defend it further: any method can be cruel for some
dogs.
Even the slightest punishment was wrong for
Cubbe at the beginning, but we've come a long
way since then.
She trusts us now as I mentioned in a recent post.
Point is, she's been rewarded for coming, but she's
never been punished, even in the mildest way, for
not coming.
Is it time for that?
What might I look for to tell?"
"It is by muteness that a dog becomes so utterly
beyond value. With him, words play no torturing
tricks.........., " John Galsworthy.
Like a confessor Priest? Don't bet your dog won't
tell on you... Their behaviors reflect our words,
actions and training quirks. Jerry HOWE, The
Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >
"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> After talking with the vet yesterday and watching
> Cubbe all day today, I'm convinced that the shaking
> is behavioral, not physical. Naturally I'll continue
> keeping an eye on her, but when I add everything
> up, I don't see symptoms of anything neurological--
> and the vet agrees.
> --Lia
"Things are beginning to get much worse day
by day and the vets seem unable to help.
http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusMed.WMV
http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusSmall.WMV"
THAT'S AN OCD. His owner CAUSED IT by
MISHANDLING and ABUSING his dog according
to the BEST advice of HOWER Gang Of Lying
Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE
LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES and
ASYLUM ESCAPEES.
> --
> Diane Blackman
> http://dog-play.com/
> http://dogplay.com/Shop/
Here's MOORE:
"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.
From: sionnach (rhyfe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Correct use of prong collar
Date: 2001-05-05 13:03:14 PST
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> And Sally responded:
> >Who said that? I would never do or recommend
> >that, and neither would most of the regulars on here.
> >Sally Hennessey
> I've posted my entire quote, since Patch failed to do so.
> Take it out of context and you'd think I was flinging puppies
> across the room!
> here's what I said (keep in mind that we're talking about a
> 12 week old ~25# FCR puppy):
> A small scruff shake is appropriate if he's
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> very persistant.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Um, may I suggest a re-wording that might make
it clearer- given that "scruff shake" is too easily
misinterpreted as "pick the puppy up by the scruff
of the neck and shake the puppy in the air"?
I think I'd phrase it something like "if the puppy is very
persistant, it can be appropriate to take hold of the
loose skin at the back of the neck and give a slight
shake to the *skin*".
Janet's not talking about actually shaking
the puppy, which I think we ALL agree is
abusive."
THAT'S INSANE. AIN'T IT.
"J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> He was next to me and I could see his neck
> muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
> Janet Boss
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> "J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:20040323173916.10096.00001938@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > > dog like a Lab.
An INSENSITIVE DOG???
From: culprit (culp...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Video clip......."Nero" practicing bark alert,
while walking backwards
Date: 2004-06-05 18:53:50 PST
"micha el" <spam_yurs...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:yIydnZpPsIzg6l_d4p2dnA@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Anyway, contrary to your PR, this is what
> it felt like to me when I got shocked by
> Hope's collar.
> It felt like a bomb going off in my
> hand and forearm.
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"Tricia9999" <tricia9...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:20021117101433.10365.00000067@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> how effective are these electronic fences in
> >> keeping a dog on a property????
> Some run through it. Others get shocked and become
> too scared to go out in the yard anymore.
> Just heard of a guy that has to rehome his dog,
> because the dog got caught right in the path of
> the shock and will now not go near his person,
> won't go outside.
> Just hides under a desk in the house.
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From: Rocky (mbon...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Leg Humper
Date: 1999/09/14
Bioso...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Jerry Howe) wrote in
<37D698CF.405B0...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>:
>By "sticking your knee up," I can only presume that you are
>suggesting that the people knee the dog in the chest. If
>that's what you meant, just say it, instead of beating around
>the bush to avoid criticism from people like me. That kind of
>crap has got to stop, and that's why I'm here, to help wean
>you guys off of the abuse and into the proper methods of
>dealing with behavior problems.
Jerry, I was appreciating your explanation
up until this last paragraph.
Why did you blow it?
--Matt
"Rocky" <> wrote in message
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> Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> > When you compare using sound and
> > praise to solve a problem with using
> > shock collars, hanging, and punishment
> > how can you criticize the use of sound?
> There's nothing more to be said, then.
> You've made up your mind.
> But you've impressed me by mentioning
> that you're a professor with 30 years of
> experience.
> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
BWWWAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
> > > Jerome Bigge writes:
> > > I do know that hitting, hurting your dog will often
> > > make the dog either aggressive or a fear biter,
> > > neither of which we want to do.
> > And neither does anyone else, Jerome.
> > No matter what Jerry Howe states.
> > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME
The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33
Years Experience.
You DO remember KILLFILING MARILYN for
her coment above regarding her success with
The Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy Separation
Anxiety / Bed Time Calming / Submissive
Urination Technique (STSA/BTC/SUT)?
Perhaps you likeWIZE recall a pediatrician, Dr. Z,
who commented that his bed time calming technique
was quite similar?
> > You're scary Marilyn.
> > Marilyn must be quite a disturbed individual.
> > I feel very sorry for her and her family.
"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry.
Your Method Takes Positive Training To The
Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All
Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank
You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce,
Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.
> > BUT, giving you the benefit of the
> > doubt, please provide a quote (an
> > original quote, not from one of Jerry
> > Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
> > shows a regular poster promoting or
> > using an abusive form of training.
>
> > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
> --
> Jack "The Unpalatable Barbarian" Morrison
> *gently remove the detonator to send me e-mail
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