HOWEDY ****rley chong you pathetic miserable stinkin
rotten lyin animal abusin BONDAGE / DISCIPLINE SADIST
CULTIST and active acute chronic life long incurable malignant
maliciHOWES manic depressive MENTAL CASE,
On Jun 8, 4:23 am, "M. ****rley Chong" <n...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Emale of the Species wrote:
>
> > We're padding. We fill out the numbers.
>
> > Among wolves the purpose of life is reproduction. Only
> > thealphamale gets to reproduce. But thealphamale is
> > just one wolf, and a wolf cannot hunt alone. So there
> > are recessive males to help pad out the hunting parties.
>
> Not up to date on research into wolf social structures?
No more than you are, ****rley.
> What you wrote is a pretty fair summary of the state of the
> art in the field--about thirty years ago. More recent research
> (which includes DNA studies) shows a very different picture.
What does DNA have to do with "pack leader****p" and alphalphaness?
> There's a whole variety of pack structures amongst wolves and
> coyotes, ranging from individuals who only come together at
> mating season to packs of 15+ individuals. It all depends on the
> environment and what it sup****ts.
Yaabut there's lots of information you never heard of and more
that you HAVE heard of but DISMISS on accHOWENTA it don't
fit in with your THEORIES and beliefs as a BD/***UAL SADIST /
DOMINATRIX <{}: ~ ( >
This article will interest you:
"EARLY CANID DOMESTICATION: THE FARM FOX EXPERIMENT
Published by American Scientist, Vol. 87 No. 2 (March-April 1999)
Article by Lyudmila N. Trut, Ph.D.
Foxes bred for tamability in a 40-year experiment exhibit
remarkable transformations that suggest an interplay between
behavioral genetics and development.
When scientists ponder how animals came to be domesticated,
they almost inevitably wind up thinking about dogs. The dog
was probably the first domestic animal, and it is the one
in which domestication has progressed the furthest - far
enough to turn Canis lupus into Canis familiaris.
Evolutionary theorists have long speculated about exactly
how dogs' association with human beings may have been
linked to their divergence from their wild wolf forebears, a
topic that anthropologist Darcy Morey has discussed in some
detail in the pages of this magazine, (July-August, 1994). "
> There is one universal: there's no such thing as "alphamales."
> The closest analogue would be dominant females.
CITES PLEASE?
> Yeah, I know, I'm boring about it--it's my field.
Is that a PUNISHMENT technique you employ as a SADO DOM?
<snip woolf THEORY>
> If all this were true, then you'd expect to see wolf packs ruthlessly
> culling out the weak, the ill, the injured and the aged.
And TURNING on an MURDERIN their abusive parents JUST
LIKE HOWE domestic dogs DO to their abusive human owners.
> That does sometimes happen.
Yeah, but that STILL won't change your SADISTIC methods of trainin.
> But what happens most times is that the pack as a whole sup****ts
> the pack members who are not able to hunt, either tem****arily
> (illness or injury) or due to old age.
Of curse. OtheWIZE they MURDER them. The dysfunctional
relation****ps are based on allelomimetic behavior moreso than
genetics. Research at Harvard and UCLA SEZ that aggression
is a LEARNED behavior, JUST LIKE HOWE you MENTOR other
***ual dominatrix's.
> Most often the leader of a pack is the oldest female, who retains
> leader****p even if she is unable to hunt. So much for thealphamale
> theory.
CITES PLEASE?
> Wolves are a lot more complex and a lot more interesting
> than the theories about them were 30 years ago.
Perhaps THAT'S HOWE COME them's was THEORIES?
> Yes, if you look at any social situation (amongst wolves,
> humans, horses, etc) it's all about reproduction.
Not necessarily.
> Or it's all about procuring food.
Not necessarily.
> Or it's all about avoiding fear.
Hmmm? Perhaps THAT's HOWE COME you HURT and
INTIMIDATE innocent defenseless dumb critters??
> Reductionist theories can give neat, tidy explanations for many
> things but the problem with those explanations is that they're
> wrong as often as they are right.
Naaaah?
> Or wrong more often than they are correct.
And we're to believe *you*, a dog abusin chronic life long
incurable manic depressive SADIST and DOMINATRIX,
"mistress ****rley"?
> A good theory should be usable to predict behaviour and yet
> reductionist theories have yet to predict behaviour with any
> great accuracy.
O.K. then, HOWE abHOWET we simply go by FORENSIC
SCIENCE of behavior, e.g. YOUR OWN POSTED CASE
HISTORY, mistress ****rley?
> Warning! Unless you cut me off, I am easily capable of continuing
> on about wolves (and coyotes and dogs) nearly endlessly.
Well then, LUCKY THING you won't DEFEND yourself when
I CITE your own POSTED CASE HISTORY of ABUSE, MYTHS,
FAERIE TAILS and INSANITY <{}: ~ ) >
> On one memorable occasion when I was jokingly lamenting
> that the only thing wrong with presenting seminars about dog
> training was that the participants gave out before I did, we went
> until 2:30 am and we were literally kicked out of the building.
Yeah? Let's see you DEFEND your ABUSE, mistress ****lrley?
> Be afraid. Be very afraid.
LikeWIZE <{}: ~ ) >
> ****rley
> <http://www.****rleychong.com/keepers/Lesson6.html>
Yeah? Your friend Mistress ****rley is a B&D/S&M SPECIALIST
who can't train the come command withHOWET her trusty SHOCK
COLLAR you pathetic lyin animal murderin ignorameHOWES:
Here's your PAL, MISTRESS ****rly chong,
crapHOWES CLICKER TRAINER:
"To be effective as a positive punisher, I set the level
of shock at a level high enough (in my best guesstimation)
to be unpleasant to the dog. I want the dog to startle a
bit and even yelp when they get shocked.
No, this is not pleasant.
After each shock, I call the dog again (because many
dogs tend to panic when something mysteriously reaches
out and stings them)."
But don't go away yet, my pretty flying monkey, there's MOORE:
"If the dog is still refusing the recall, then I escalate my
aversive a bit--usually, to taking two big handfuls of ruff
as I move backwards.
Some dogs do get "long line wise.""
No, some trainers are just long line stupid.
You can't force a dog to come.
"That is, they never refuse a recall while on the long line
but when the long line is gone, they are unreliable even if
the handler started with close recalls off lead in a familiar
(and safely fenced) area."
That's because you can't teach compliance with force no
matter HOWE gently you try to force. ANY force, even verbal
intimidation, will cause the opposition reflex to compel the
dog to do other than what you want.
Too bad you sharp trainers here don't understand that. It's
called positive thigmotaxis, and it's just as valid with a
choke collar as it is with a mental attitude. Force causes
the dog to not respond.
"IF the dog never ever refuses a recall while on the long
line, no matter what the distraction (and I am pretty good
at devising distractions for this test!), then I move to a
shock collar."
That's a competent clicker trainer, by golly!
Where do you people come off with that kind of crap?
Here's Miss ****rly, the CLICKER TRAINER you recommended to us:
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From: M ****rley Chong <eithne @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 02:16:30 -0500
Subject: Re: OT Big dog problem. Serious help needed
MasterofDelight wrote:
> Welcome back, and it sure did not take you long to pick up on
> the dog training thread. As you can see, you commentary was missed.
Thanks!
Yes, there's nothing more likely to lure me out of lurk
mode than a training question. I'd planned to lurk for
a couple weeks to get up to speed again but before I
knew it, the keyboard was rattling.
> OB:bdsm Do you give advice on "puppy training" too?
Sure! I may not have a clue as to what I'm talking
about but that never stops me.
****rley eithne @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.****rleychong.com
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From: M ****rley Chong <eit...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:48:53 -0500
Subject: Re: pregnancy and S&M?
dionysiangrrrl wrote:
> I just learned I'm pregnant, and while in most respects, I find it to be
> excellent news, I'm a little concerned about play time. I'm a fairly
heavy
> masochist used to frequent beatings and torture, and have held back from
> play so far until I get a little more advanced, just to be safe. But if
I
> make it healthily through the first trimester, does anyone have any
advice
> for pregnancy whompings? (Besides the fairly obvious "no more gut
> punches" rule :)
Congratulations!
My advice is to ask your doctor. Because your doctor is the
one who knows your specific conditions, because there's a
lot of advice out there of varying quality (including this!)
and because it's im****tant to have peace of mind that you
are doing the right thing at a time like this.
Most doctors have heard it all. If they haven't heard it all,
they should have. <G> If you have reason to believe that your
doctor may react badly then maybe that's an indication this
isn't the doctor for you.
Better to find this out now rather than when you are in
labor and not in the mood to holler at some rank narrow
mindedness and unable to gather your dignity and march out.
Those hospital gowns just don't cut it for dignified exits
unless you back out the door and then there's the little
problem of who is out in the hall.
Much easier in the long run to tell the truth.
****rley
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From: redneckpai...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Joe Sergio)
Date: 17 Apr 2004 00:51:40 GMT
Subject: Re: OT Big dog problem. Serious help needed
JK said:
> Gee, let's see, why not take your dogs to a training school
> or ask your local police how they do it with their dogs?!
Ive already called the K9 officer in my town.
Left a message. He will get in touch with me.
> And I don't know do you think maybe slapping your dogs
> around so much and living with them, I mean all that
> attention you are giving them might just have something to
> do with why they like you and your family more than the
> neighbors?
I don't slap them around so much. I'll pop em, and all
when they do something wrong, and fuss at em. But I have
found something even better to make them stop what they
are doing.
A dustbuster. Just turn it on. Or show it to them. They
hate any type of va*** cleaner. It's worked about keeping
Jake out of the garbage. I sat in the kitchen a whole day,
and every time he went to the garbage can and went to stick
his head in, I turned it on. He stopped that.
Mainly I just pet them. They lay there by my chair and I
reach down and scratch them. They get up in the chair with
me. Tha'ts not easy when they are that big. But they still
think they are puppies. I do spoil them sometimes, but they
are my boys, and I love them.
> Hey, but this is the SSBB clearinghouse and you know the brain
> bucket is just outside and we do expect you to leave your brain
> there first before you post your problems here. Afterall, we all know
> that SSBB has all the answers you need for all your problems. Don't
> bother picking up your phone and calling around 'cause you got the
> good ole SSBB to help solve your problems.
You dumbass, I did call around and ask some advice from
other folks as well first. I posted it here because Miss
****rley trains dogs, and there are a few folks here who
know more about it than I do.
Why do you try to turn every post you reply to into a noncon
humiliation scene with you topping? Could it be that this is
the only action your getting? LOL
> Time to fetch your brain. Come on boy you can do it. There you go.
I'd ask you to fetch yours, but I don't think you can
see something that small without a microscope.
--
Joe
Suck a lifesaver today, put a fireman in your mouth.
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From: M ****rley Chong <eit...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004
Subject: Re: OT Big dog problem. Serious help needed
Katharine H. wrote:
> He does pretty well in his "walking gear" -- which is what the prong
> and leash are. When I put the prong collar and leash on, he still
shows
> other aggression behaviors to new men in the house but does not lunge
> (because he doesn't tighten his leash on the prong.) I think he does
> pretty well with the leash behaviors (given he's got a run-of-the-mill
> owner-type).
What other sorts of behaviours does he show?
> He is mostly fine when we are off the property. He still must stay
> leashed, but the only people he shows aggression to are fly fisherman
> (something about the gear freaks him out) and other dogs. Other people
> he basically ignores. My biggest issue are other dog owners whose dogs
> are off leash and want to come up and say hello. My beast will play
well
> with a dog who submits, but will fight with one who doesn't.
I have a solution for that one. When some clueless idjit
allows their dog to come up to mine, I call over sweetly
"don't worry, the vet doesn't think he's infectious anymore."
A carryover from my years showing horses when idjits leading
a horse down the aisle of a barn would let their horse poke
it's head into my horse's stall. I'd grab a bottle of Ring-Ex
(ringworm medication) and start spritzing ostentatiously. And
mention that my vet thought we had the infestation cleared up.
I never mentioned that the bottle was full of plain water. <G>
If I'm not in a nice mood, I just scare the bejeebers out
of the oncoming dog to send it away. When they say "but
he's friendly" I say "well, I'm not." My dogs never have
to defend themselves on leash. I think they sort of enjoy
seeing me chase other dogs away, there's a certain smugness
in the way they lean against me while looking at the other dog.
> Bottom line though... this dog is killing my *** life because I can't
> introduce men into the house and I've been in the mood for men the past
> several months. I don't know what the hell I'm doing, so I've called a
> local trainer and she's going to teach me how to more effectively deal
> with the beast before I figure it's time to enter a monastary :-) This
dog
> is so docile with me... the contrast in behaviors is amazing.
Nooooo, not the monastary! Your scene re****ts are
incredibly good and would be a loss to pervkind.
****rley
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From: M ****rley Chong <eit...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 02:38:40 -0500
Subject: Re: OT Big dog problem. Serious help needed
I'm piggybacking from Nicole Diver:
> Katharine H. writes: "This is my new tactic -- my 3 yr old rottie/lab
mix
> has become *extremely* aggressive when new people, in particular men,
> come onto his territory. All people who are coming to my home for the
> first time are warned to expect aggression. They are then given the
option
> of dealing with the dog or not. If the new guests are not "dog people" I
> will make the choice for them and the dog will stay in the backyard
while
> I have people over. If they do want to make friends with the dog, then
the
> dog goes on a leash and prong collar when they enter the house.
> When I let them in, he is snarling, lunging, etc. As soon as the treats
> come out it's a whole new ballgame. The pup sits and wags his tail
> and is ready to make friends. It generally takes time for him to warm
> up to new men."
Katherine, I have nothing against the use of prong collars
and recommend them when I feel it is appropriate. Just like
any tool, there are situations when a prong collar is the
best tool for a job and there situations where a prong
collar is the worst tool for a job.
Prong collars do tend to magnify a dog's aggressive tendencies.
If the dog is at all inclined to bite unreasonably, the prong
collar will often send it right over the edge.
<snip BD/SM and proceed directly to MURDER>
Re: homer bit me :(
"elegy" <el...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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ago and far away, Mary Healey <mhhea...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> did say:
>elegy <el...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> i'm really disappointed in myself, because
>> i wigged out on him for it,
> I'm not sure you should be. Maybe it's because I'm used to dogs
> that'll keep pu****ng barriers just to find the limits (if any), but the
> bottom line is that Homer did something completely unacceptable
> (for whatever good and justified reason) and discovered that, yes,
> there is an upper boundary beyond which his new human gets a
> bit testy. That's a good thing for a dog of any age to learn.
i worry that he reacted out of fear
and i gave him more reason to fear.
luce is a huge barrier-pusher. i've wigged out
on her a few times, too, and that i don't think
was necessarily a bad thing. but with this guy,
because he's kinda timid and i think kinda
fearful, i feel bad about.
>> i put him in his crate until i calmed down enough to not do
>> anything else stupid.
> Well, see, you learned something valuable. Homer learned
> something valuable. It's all good. Neither of you will need
> to repeat this particular lesson. I hope so, anyway.
i put a harness on him and he seems much more
comfortable with having that held. he simply
cannot be handle-less until he learns things like
come, stay, and to go in his crate.
--
And now, each night I count the stars.
And each night I get the same number. (Amiri Baraka)
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Subject: i don't know what to do
From: elegy
Date: Monday, February 26, 2007
homer full-on attacked me tonight. multiple puncture wounds on my
hand, torn pants, dog that kept coming. he meant it tonight. he meant
to hurt me, not just to say "i don't like this".
i was trying to teach him to down using a lure and he totally and
completely wasn't getting it at all, so i was trying to physically
show him what i wanted. yeah. guess not.
i don't know what to do.
i have always said that i WILL NOT tolerate a dog who
bites, that i WILL NOT have a dog like that in my house.
it's easy to say when you're not faced with that, eh?
--
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And each night I get the same number. (Amiri Baraka)
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"diddy" <di...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> whittled the following words:
Subject: Re: brothers and sisters, i bid you beware
> of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
> i don't remember what the last update i posted on homer was
> and i'm too tired and flat-out drained to go back and look.
> he saw the vet yesterday and wigged out and tried to hurt him.
> i spent half an hour on the phone with a behaviorist who was
> recommended both by my trainer and whom we recommend
> at work. she felt his prognosis was pretty grim and that he's
> dangerous. most of what she does is work with aggressive dogs.
>
> the only thing he has on his side in this is that he's on the small
> side. everything else about his biting is seriously bad news.
> i worked a half day today and spent the rest of it spoiling him,
> snuggling him, feeding him cookies and mcdonalds french fries.
> everytime he moves his head quickly i jump, in case he's planning
> on biting me.
> tomorrow morning i'll hold him close and whisper in his ear how
> much i love him and how sorry i am that his life was what it was,
> and send him on to a better place.
>
> and then i'll cry some more.
>
> i feel like i've been crying for two solid days.
> --
> And now, each night I count the stars.
> And each night I get the same number. (Amiri Baraka)
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You meant so well. I'm so sorry
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From: elegy <e...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 23:09:44 -0400
Subject: Re: A question about pit bulls.
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unknown history has less to do with the
possibility of fighting than genetics.
you can take the pit bull out of the pit but
you can't take the pit out of the pit bull.
personally i am not willing to risk my dogs'
lives by leaving two fighting breed dogs alone
together no matter how well they get along when
i'm there.
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Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 09:36:24 -0400
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On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:49:57 -0400, elegy
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> wrote:
any *good* vet will take the dog at face value
and not muzzle or notmuzzle based on breed alone.
most pit bulls are actually fantastic at the vet
because they're such a people-loving and stoic
breed. i actually haven't yet had a bad experience
with a pit bull working in a veterinary environment,
even ones that were bad torn up from fights.
i know there are nasty pit bulls out there, and
fear-biters as well, but thankfully they're they
minority.
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From: "Russ" <dontmailmeillmail...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 20:01:09
Subject: Re: A question about pit bulls.
L Alpert,
It's unknown how a just graduated from highschool 17
year old male will act in the Summer holidays at the
local hang out, when confronted by the bully that
bullied and tormented him throughout the last 5 years
of highschool.
He may fall in line or he may react. Your dog is just
maturing, he may decide to be lower in the pack for
his entire life. Especially if you sup****t the alpha.
BUT, if the pit decides in his own mind that it is
enough and decides to challenge for the top spot.
Your lifestyle will most likely change. All we are
trying to tell you is, be ready, be prepared, and
take precautions.
I don't know if you have seen a pitbull in its
virgin fight, but I can tell you they don't need
to taught to win against 99% of the other breeds
like rotties, gsd's, labs, etc. they will kick
ass and you will be mopping up.
Cleaning wounds and sticking your fingers into 1
inch deep gashes and punctures is not fun. And this
happened when I was there to break it up.
Imagine if you are not there to intervene. I am so
glad my dogs don't hate each other. Otherwise I would
have have a serious dilemma:) "X's fingers and thanks God"
===================
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
"The day may come when the rest of the animal creation
may acquire those rights
which never could have been withholden from them
but by the hand of tyranny.
The question is not can they REASON,
nor can they TALK,
but can they SUFFER?" -
- Jeremy Bentham
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised
for the good of its victims,
may be the most oppressive.
Those who torment us for our own good
will torment us without end,
for they do so with the approval of
their own conscience." -
- C.S. Lewis.
"Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny",
Aeschylus (525BC-456BC),
Agamemnon.
"If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
and you will know each other.
If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
and what you do not know you will fear.
What one fears, one destroys."
Chief Dan George
All truth p***** through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
-Arthur Schopenhauer
"Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
even tho it's a hopeless task,
in this system of things.
As long as man is ruling man,
there will be animals (and humans!)
abused and neglected. :-(
Your student," Juanita.
"If you've got them by the balls
their hearts and minds
will follow,"
John Wayne.
ANY QUESTIONS, People?
"Ye shall know the truth,
and the truth shall make you mad." -
~Aldous Huxley.
"Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens!"
"Against stupidity the Gods themselves contend in vain!"
-Friedrich Schiller.
INDEEDY.
AND THAT'S HOWE COME THEY GOT ME NHOWE!
In Love And Light,
I Remain Respectfully, Humbly Yours,
The WORLD'S CRUELEST Trainer,
Jerry Howe,
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
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SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard <{) ;~ ) >
HOWE MAY I SERVE YOU <{}; ~ ) >
Sincerely,
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Human And Animal Behavior
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Director of Training,
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