HOWEDY tommy sorenson aka not so handsome,
not so happy, not so gentle, not so manly, jackass,
not even jack morrison aka joey finnochiarrio aka
howie lip****z aka BIG DADDY aka DOGMAN,
a.k.a. *****MAN, you pathetic miserable stinkin
anonymHOWES malignant maliciHOWES lyin dog
child an spHOWES abusing punk thug coward active
accute chronic life long incurable mental case and
paranoid homophobe, misogynist, puppy miller and
shock collar salesman,
"Handsome Jack Morrison" <handsomejackmorrison@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 18:44:51 -0600, FurPaw <furrealpawdog@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> wrote:
>
>>Handsome "Jack" Morrison wrote:
>>
>>> First, rock-solid recalls (and the immediate and correct response
>>> to commands) are directly related to how much time and effort a
>>> dog's owner is willing to devote to training,
You mean, you CAN'T TRAIN ANY behavior NEARLY INSTANTLY?
>>> including training with distractions.
Training *WITH* distractions facillitates learning, tommy.
PERHAPS THAT'S HOWE COME your "training" depends
on HOWE MUCH TIME you invest in jerking choking and
shocking dogs, eh, tommy??
>>> And how often everything is reinforced.
You FORCE behaviors and then you have to
RE INFORCE them ad nauseum, tommy.
>>> And second, how effective the training techniques employed are.
Oh, you mean OPERANT and CLASSICAL CONDITIONING, tommy?
>>What techniques do you use?
tommy sez:
At no time do the Monks *ever* advocate beating a
dog. A swat on the rump or a check to the chin does
*not* constitute a "beating."
And then he sez:
"I don't know how big you are, kiddo, so this may
not be as easy for you as it is for me, but use
a little "knee action," that is, as the dog goes
charging by you, just give the dog a little bop
with your knee and ****n. Yep, really lean into it.
Even knock her over, if you can, but make sure to
make her think twice about ru****ng past you again -
- which is exactly what you want her to do.
Don't bother with scolding her, she'll get the message.
If it happens again, just REPEAT the knee action.
When she steps on your toes, just pick up your foot
abruptly and ****ge her with your knee. Again, no
scolding is necessary here, so you don't have to
worry about her "over-reacting."
I don't think this is necessarily a lack of respect
for you, just a lack of training. That is, she just
needs *more* of it."
You mean like HOWE when you HOWEsbreak a dog an
you beat IT with a switch or heavy man's leather belt and
tie him next to his evil deed and return to BEAT HIM every
twenty minutes, tommy?
tommy SEZ:
"My objective is always to find a way that WORKS.
And if it is DANGEROUS behavior that I'm trying
to modify, behavior than can get the dog KILLED,
I will resort to ANYTHING to save him.
A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G.
Okay. Call me a cruel, inhumane, abusive bastard
if you want to, but it doesn't affect me at all.
When you've saved the lives of as many dogs as I
have, you'll learn that that's the only thing that
really matters. Saving lives and making dogs become
good citizens"
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> I'm a traditional trainer (training collar and leash),
"And second, how effective the training techniques employed are."
tommy wrote:
From: dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Dogman) Date: 1997/11/11
Subject: Re: Koehler's Usefulness--A Concluding *****sment
This, from a yellow-bellied coward who has TOTALLY refused
to engage me in debate, preferring mudslinging, hyperbole, distortion,
lies, exaggeration, and to take Koehler completely out of context,
instead.
What lying hypocrites these hand-wringers are!
The most consistent argument among Koehler's defenders is based
on a questionable assumption that such "drastic" measures are
effective in "extreme" cases where other methods fail.
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> and I use the e-collar, too.
If your effective training methods WORKED you
WOULDN'T NEED a SHOCK COLLAR, would
you, tommy?
> In other words, I'm a "dog-abusing thug".
No, tommy, you're a pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin
anonymHOWES dog abusin COWARD. I'm a THUG, tommy,
for PICKIN ON YOU pathetic lyin dog abusin cowards.
>>> It's really not a matter of the dog's age.
Of curse not.
>>To some extent it must be, no?
NOT AT ALL.
> A dog as young as a few months can have a reasonably reliable recall.
Any dog that's three weeks of age got all the brains IT needs to
HOWEtwit the cunning of any professional dog abusin coward
or university trained behaviorist.
>> Do you expect a rock solid recall (with the best
>> of techniques) in a 3 month old dog?
Of curse.
> Rock-solid, no. Strong, yes.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>>What's the youngest age a dog you've trained has
>> achieved a rock-solid recall?
> 6 months.
Well tommy, THAT'S on accHOWENTA you don't beat
shock an choke your dogs till they're six months.
>>And at what age did you begin the training?
>
> Formal training starts at 7 weeks. Informal
> training starts even earlier than that
Ahhh, you mean, LIKE THIS:
tommy *(who AIN'T tommy sorensen) sez:
"IMO, the *fastest* way to curb a mouthy puppy's
desire to bite hands (especially if other methods
have failed, because you don't want this habit to
become reinforced by too much success), etc., is
to take advantage of the pup's gag reflex:
Slowly reach over and around the pup's shoulder
(while you're sitting on the floor), coming up to
the pup's mouth from underneath it with your
right hand (that way he can't see your finger or
your hand), and stick your index finger into the
pup's mouth, at the very rear, then down the
pup's throat, and gently place some downward
pressure on the back of the tongue, until he starts
to gag. Use your left arm to hold him close to you,
while you're doing this.
Trust me, it's easier to demonstrate this technique
than to explain it, but it's fail-proof.
He'll quickly put 2 and 2 together. Biting hands = gag.
--
Handsome Jack Morrison
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> Most dog owners make it much more difficult than it has to be.
That so, tommy? You mean, LIKE THIS?:
From: Becky (Becky...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Crate Anxiety
Date: 2002-04-04 12:56:23 PST
Try Jerry Howe's training manual and check out his Doggy
Do Right (And Kitty Will And A Rooster Did And A Cockatoo
Or Two Did Too) machine....it is for this.
Please do not listen to the others in here that don't like
him or his methods, they have never tried them....I have
and it works!!!!
I broke my dog from nipping almost 100% in 1 day and
she usually does this SEVERAL times a day and actually
makes my kids bleed!
Try it or contact him! The manual is at
the above website also, and it is free!
Becky
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SEE?
AND LIKE THIS:
"Ned" <komod...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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Hi !
Our black lab girl is 3 months old (she
will be 4 months on the 30th).
When we first brought her home she had
a bad habit of trying to nip our faces (including
my 3 year old twins) during playtime. It drove
everyone in the house nuts and it brought my
little girls to tears as you can imagine.
We tried saying no, and that would just get
her even more excited, so we would yell no
and that would just get her "scared" but still
excited. In short it just wasn't working.
So we finally did what Jerry has suggested
to you. We used a sound do distract her and
we would immediately praise her.
I have to say that it worked great. BUT she
then moved on to nipping at the feet LOL silly
little thing.
So again, we tried no, and then louder no,
but again it didn't work so we went for the
distraction and praise.
I must say that she is doing great!
I hope that helps.
Edyta aka Ned
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> They do silly things like chase after their puppy, they pick
> him up and take him inside when he comes, they repeat
> commands ad nauseam, etc.
And they jerk choke shock bribe crate an surgically ***ually
mutilate them to boot, don't they, tommy <{}: ~ ( >
> It's the most im****tant command that a dog will ever learn, it's
> relatively easy to teach, yet few dogs will ever have a rock-solid
> recall.
You mean, at least not till they're six months old, tommy?
Here's tommy soronsen aka lyindogDUMMY BEATIN
a dog to HOWEsbreak IT to SAVE IT'S LIFE:
"Handsome Jack Morrison"
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> wrote in message
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Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:52:18 -0400, "Krishur"
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> wrote:
Good books huh?
Absolutely. Some are, in fact, classics.
Which idea was your favorite, the one where they
tell you to alpha roll a "dominant" dog,
There's nothing inherently wrong with rolling a dog
(i.e., it *can* and *does* work in *some* situations).
Unfortunately, most people either do it incorrectly, do
it at the wrong time, etc.
or where they tell you that you didn't hit him hard
enough if he doesn't yelp or approaches you within
5 minutes of his punishment?
If physical discipline is deemed necessary (after careful
evaluation), it's much more cruel not to get it over with
quickly than it is to do it incrementally and half-
heartedly, which usually only invites the need for even
more discipline.
Maybe you liked when they recommend these
beatings for housebreaking accidents, chewing /
destructive behavior, stealing, trying to get on
your bed at night and dog on dog aggression.
At no time do the Monks *ever* advocate beating
a dog. A swat on the rump or a check to the chin
does *not* constitute a "beating."
I'm sorry if you don't agree.
And each of those behavior "problems" needs
to be looked at in its proper context.
A quote from the Monks:
"We repeat, these situations may merit physical
discipline. Since no book can pretend to analyze
every individual dog and situation, we feel obligated
to emphasize from the outset that discipline is never
an arbitrary training technique to be applied to each
and every dog for all offenses. We do, however, believe
that physical and verbal discipline can be an effective
technique.
The best policy if you experience any of the above
problems is to consult a qualified trainer or veterinarian
or evaluation of your individual situation....
"If discipline is decided upon as a training technique,
it should be the proper technique. We feel we have
developed several methods that depend less on violent
physical force than timing, a flair for drama, and the
element of surprise.
We feel an obligation, as responsible trainers, to map
out these methods, rather than simply skip the topic
because it is unpleasant. Dog owners want to know
what to do."
In other words, physical discipline is reserved for those
serious, special occasions when other methods have failed.
For example, they do not recommend using physical
discipline for *routine* housebreaking chores -- only
on those rare occasions when an already reliably
housebroken dog is (after careful evaluation) deemed
to be soiling the house on purpose, backsliding, etc.
I'll give you an actual example. Years ago, an adult dog
was brought to me as an *incurable* house-soiler. It
was either get the dog reliably housetrained or the dog
was going on a one way trip to the pound.
Being the kind, compassionate trainer that I am, I
was prepared to do whatever it took to get this dog
house-trained and save his life.
After several weeks of more or less traditional training,
and to poor result, I brought out the big guns -- physical
and verbal discipline. Whenever the dog soiled the house
(no, you don't even have to catch him in the act), I
immediately (but very calmly) tossed a leash on his collar,
dragged him to the scene of the crime, and (using a large
chair as a prop) tethered him to the leg of the chair, with
his nose about two inches away from the poop. After a
couple of swats on the rump, some loud vocalizing, and a
wait of about 20 minutes, I'd release the dog and then
ignore him for a while. I had to repeat this process *three*
times, I think -- and the house-soiling miraculously
stopped. The dog went home to enjoy a long and contented
life with his original owners, and I got to feel good about
myself.
So, yes, the Monk's books are good ones. Even for novices.
Yup, that's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.
-- Handsome Jack Morrison *gently remove
the detonator to reply via e-mail
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BWEEEAAAAHAAAAHAAAA~!~!~!
From: dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Dogman)
Date: 1999/01/15
Subject: Re: Another mouthy lab
Get this book:
"The Art of Raising A Puppy," by the Monks of New Skete
If you can't find it locally, you can obtain it
through my Web site (see below).
You'll need it for more than just the usual puppy
"mouthing" problems, anyway.
And good luck with your Lab puppy!
--
Dogman
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From: osi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Michael Erskine)
Date: 12 Aug 2004 10:09:05 -0700
Subject: My GSD bit me.
The question:
I have a four year old male GSD. He growls
at me sometimes. When he growls at me he
stares me in the face and lays his ears back.
The New Skete books say that the dog should not be
allowed to do that. They suggest shaking down the
dog by grabing the dog on the sides of his neck and
picking him off his front feet, then giving the dog the
same sort of treatment the dog would give another if
it were challenging him.
Namely getting in the dogs face and letting
the dog know you are the alpha dog.
Well, my dog bit me clearly he felt that I was not
convincing enough or he bit me out of fear.
Anyone got ideas on what to do with this dog that might
help him to decide that he wants to follow and that he
has nothing to fear from me?
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From: Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:21:14 GMT
Subject: Re: My GSD bit me.
You need to improve your acting skills. Get a werewolf
suit with blood-drenched fangs and claw gloves and THEN
go after your dog.
Knock the **** out of him and don't be afraid to crack
some ribs. Then yank the mask off and shout "SURPRISE!
IT'S ME!" I guarantee you and your dog will have a new
relation****p based on mutual respect.
Keep in mind that the monks of New Skete
were pre-Lon-Chaney.
Charlie
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"Handsome Jack Morrison"
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> On 26 Jul 2003 22:14:29 GMT, dogstar...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>(DogStar716) wrote:
> >>> Never mind dogman :)
> >> You too? Some folks just never learn.
>
>>>> Uh huh :)
>
>>> One of the signs of mental illness
>>> is to say "Uh huh" a lot.
>
>> PS: If the "trainer" you were talking about isn't on this
>> list, he (or she) is NOT an approved Koehler trainer, no
>> matter how loud you scream otherwise.
>
> May I laugh again? LOL! One doesn't need to be
> on a list to use Koehlers methods or teach his methods.
> Let me be among the first (apparently) to tell you that
> not every trainer who uses a leash is a *Koehler* trainer.
> Sheesh.
>
> This person may call herself a Koehler trainer, but
> if she's hanging 12 week old puppies, she's about
> as far from a Koehler trainer as a dog trainer can
> possibly be.
>
> Again, this is just your IGNORANCE showing.
> I can call myself a devout Christian, but if I'm not
> adhering to the doctrine, I'm something else.
> >http://www.koehlerdogtraining.com/patoflearn.html
> Sorry, the very first sentences make me aware
> that whoever wrote it knows nothing about PR
> based training:
> "Amidst the current (and politically correct) trend
> in Positive Reinforcement Only training systems"
> You cannot use PR only.
Au contraire. Many, many posters to r.p.d.b. (and many
other places as well) *claim* that they use nothing but R.
You know, the PPers.
And they do it quite loudly, too.
Surely you aren't blind (and deaf), as well as ignorant?
Those are hard handicaps to overcome, Dogstar.
And if you knew anything about PR BASED training,
you would realize that. It's not all cookies and babytalk.
There is no stronger sup****ter of R than Handsome
Jack Morrison, but I also use every behavioral tool
in my bag, including R-, P, and P-, because I know
that even R has its limits.
You'd know that too, if you didn't
have your head in the sand.
> But that seems to be the battle cry of the Koehler-ites.
The Koehlerites have no battle cry.
They have behaviorism on their side, and
that's more than enough.
> I don't need instruction on how to give my dogs
> a proper leash correction as I do not rely on a
> leash to control or teach my dog.
That may or may not be suitable for your needs,
but it's not suitable for the majority of dog owners,
especially since the advent of leash laws.
Besides, after just a few weeks of proper Koehler
training, Koehler dogs likewise are no longer in
need of a leash.
*(THAT'S HOWE COME tommy
SELLS SHOCK COLLARS)
That you apparently don't know that, once again
shows me just how ignorant of anything to do with
Koehler you are.
My last two dogs have been trained offleash right
from the start, using rewards for what I like, and
nothing for what I don't like.
Good for you, and if that level of training is good enough
for you, fine. But it's not good enough for many of the
rest of us.
> Again, I'm not saying Koehler doesn't work.
I really have no idea what you're saying anymore, because
you apparently know so damn little about Koehler and
behavioral principles in general that it's hard to have an
informed discussion with you.
PS: It boggles my mind at how stupid you must be to
keep denying that those certain harsh methods are only
for LAST RESORT situations, intended only to SAVE
A DOG'S LIFE, even after I've repeatedly given you
direct *quotes* from Koehler's book saying just that.
It's like you don't even care how stupid people think
you are, or how devious you are, etc. That can't help
your cause any.
You'd think that you'd at least want to
*appear* to be honest, even if you're not. -
- Handsome Jack Morrison *gently remove the detonator
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"Handsome Jack Morrison"
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> <sigh>
"Sigh", tommy? Seems your manic depression is re-emerging, eh?
Perhaps you need your anti-psychotic medications adjusted, tommy?
Well, at least your obsessive compulsive spittin has diminished <{}: ~ ) >
Seems the ONLY thing these dogs lacked was a CARING
DOG LOVER like yourself to jerk choke shock bribe crate
intimidate surgically ***ually mutilate to make them GOOD
CITIZENS, eh, tommy??
Oh, an THANKS for all the ADVICE!
Here, permit The Amazing Puppy Wizard to give
you a hand with that tricky little pin, tommy...
There. GOT IT! NHOWE HERE, HOWELD THIS, tommy.
That's FIXED. ENJOY!
Adios, tommy...
NHOWE START WALKIN THE WALK.
Oh, but don't trip over the puppy, tommy!
http://www.freewebs.com/thesimplyamazingpuppywizard
In Love And Light,
I Remain Respectfully, Humbly Yours,
The World's CRUELEST Trainer,
Jerry Howe,
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
M-A-J-E-S-T-I-C
G-R-A-N-D
M-A-S-T-E-R
Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Ferret, Goat, Monkey
SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard <{) ; ~ ) >
HOWE MAY I SERVE YOU <{}; ~ ) >
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