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Re: My dog keeps attacking my puppy

by <DelusionalDimensionsRecoveryDDR@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jun 6, 2008 at 09:14 PM

HOWEDY shelly you pathetic pathological lyin dog
abusin punk thug coward active acute chronic life-long
incurable malignant maliciHOWES mental case,

"Shelly" <scouvrette@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:Xns9AB5CCBC97ED4shellycatsidhnet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "~shady angel~" <shady@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in news:4849c9b1
> @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> Are your dog's both fixed?

Surgical ***ual mutilation CAUSES aggression.

> The puppy is 8 weeks old.  That's awfully young,
> even for pediatric spaying.

CITES PLEASE?

>> someone here who has more expeirence then
>> I should be able to help you.

Perhaps that'd be shelly??

> I think the sort of aggression the OP described is troubling,

What's troubling is that your own dogs have fear aggression issues.

> and that his best bet is to talk to a trainer or behaviorist.

You mean, LIKE THIS?:

"Linda" <llindaleedan...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote in message news:

        I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my
        dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age.
        I do not know what started the problem but he came
        aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and
        snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone
        and could play with any dog. He was well socialized
        ad I took him with me everywhere.

        At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
        Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
        clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but
        it was not working on his aggression problem.

        I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet,
        trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse.
        They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated
        and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then
        suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not
        working as he was becoming more aggressive.

        I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph. D. 400 miles
        away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book
        on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to
        use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.

        I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG
        ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE
        LEASH", ETC looking for help. We finally went to Purdue
        University Small Animal Behavior Clinic and they said he
        had fear aggression, punishment would not work, use the
        gentle leader and when out walking and he got stressed
        have the people stop until he could get in control using
        treats, and work on clicker training.

        At that point I knew more about clicker training and using
        the gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he
        would not come when I called him and would run away when
        I tried to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the
        neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and women
        who hasn't trained her dog"

        I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who
        were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two
        were so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one
        said I should give up on him and kill him but they would
        say "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are
        responsible for him."

        *(You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sun****ne
        DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.)

        As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on
        going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr
        Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do
        Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.
        He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could
        not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.

        The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End.
        I had been working for 18 months!

        Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes
        from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next
        I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three
        blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the
        can sound and he looked at me like uhn?

        I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
        -the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
        looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked
        on by.

        When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at
        me like "you must be out of your mind"

        The results can make a believer!!!

        Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training
        Manual program I walked him without the gentle leader
        in a busy shopping area with many dogs.

        He just seemed to not notice any one.

        When people talked to him or ask his name he would
        look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.

        I still can not believe the change in him--we can now
        enjoy life out in public.

        If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
        was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone
        Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his
        toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.

        My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that
        dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with
        out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!

        I know most people would have given up on him a long time
        ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ
        but only with the right approach-sound and praise.

        I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!

            ================================

        From: Linda Daniel
        To: Jerry Howe
        Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
        Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression

        Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
        to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
        save so many lives.  I know at times I was so frustrated I
        thought of giving up on Sun****ne but of course I never would
        have but many people would have.  The world just does not
        know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
        solve problems.

        We will be here until late April and we really have no plans-
        -just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time
        you could meet us would be great.  I drive so I would be
        happy to come to you anytime anywhere!

        We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
        right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
        scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people
        would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went
        to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.

        He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
        those on rollerblades!  I have always used a gentle leader
        in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
        grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!

        Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
        stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose.  He never
        pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
        a hard time getting him going--at times  I think he could
        smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.

        I can never thank you enough for giving Sun****ne back!!!!!

        I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
        walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
        a problem with other people and dogs.

        I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
        to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
        around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
        treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
        coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
        and not move until we backed away-

        - can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street
        until I get his attention with treats.

        They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
        but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
        him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
        sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
        to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
        heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.

                            ---------------------------------- 

> There may be things he can do to alleviate the problem, and
> there are for sure things he can do to make it worse.  One
> thing I do know is that no one here has seen what's going
> on, so offering training advice is, I think, irresponsible.

           THAT'S ABSURD:

Nevyn writes:

Jerry I cannot even begin to tell you the success Ive had with
 your training manual! My two mutts have gone from out-of-
control psychos to obedient well behaved companions within
a matter of weeks! AND My friends have seen the success and
 have asked me to work on their dogs! I was working with a 5
month old Ridgeback female today and she was being an angel
 after like an hour of working with her!

It is AMAZING!!

I pity those fools who take their dogs to cl***** where the
"Trainers" abuse their dogs! (do they have a degree? A masters?
a Phd? by the way? NO they are average joes off the street who
think they know how to train dogs!)

Once again, Jerry, you are a genius!

NEVYN and my Dogs, Rizzo and Midget, My Grandparents
dogs, Dusty and Snoopy, and my friends pup, Jazz.

                ================

Val writes Monday, 6/3/02:

Well, for what it's worth, I am praising without physical
contact and she does seem to listen better than when I
would praise with it.   I agree that it is a distraction.

Anyway, no more aggressive behaviors from her since I
started the Witts End.

                     --------------------- 

From: BNTDOBES @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 jho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Saturday, July 27, 2002 10:26 PM

Subject: Re: THANKS ALISON! - "Owners Should Always
Be Given The Cold, Hard Facts: They Should NEVER FEEL
GUILTY For Having An Aggressive Dog Euthanized."

Dear Jerry,

It's Kay here. I don't know who these people are that
maligning you and your training manual but tell them
from me that it does work.

Hunter is just doing so well even the people who advocated
putting him down are impressed with him.

I even started using it with the neighbor's dog. I went over
there to help her cut his nails. She started yelling at him
for growling at me. I told her to tell him what a good boy he
is instead. Lo and behold he stopped growling and I could
do his nails.

All 4 feet.

My dog Hunter was trained with the old jerk and pull method
and my other dog was trained with treats. Hunter has gotten
his enthusiasm back for his training and I couldn't be more
pleased.

He even tried to kiss a child the other day.

Major break through.

This is the dog that a few months ago tried to eat the kids
through the fence. I can now take him in the car with me
again without him trying to chase cars through the wind****eld.

So Jerry tell these people that the first rule of dog training
is Do No Harm.

The 2nd rule is whatever works without breaking the first
rule.

Aggressive dogs don't need to be put down. Hunter was
diagnosed aggressive and he is going to stay alive and
by my side where he belongs.

Thank you so much.
Kay

                ----------------- 

From: jho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (The Puppy Wizard)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 06:07:52 -0000

Subject: "Your Method Takes Positive Training To The Next Level
And Should Really Be Used By All Tainers Who Call Themselves
Trainers,"

Kay Pierce.

From: <BNTDOBES @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
To: <jho>
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: Wits end Training

Jerry,

I started Hunter on his training using your manual
and training method. What a marked difference in
just a few hours.

I had him in my van and just using the sound with
his remote trainer and telling him he's a good dog
when he started looking like he was going to bark
at a car worked great.

He only barked 2 or 3 times. Then I took him to a
spot that we had used years ago to train, Jerry I
have hope that I can have my happy dog back soon.

And not this tense unhappy creature I live with now.

He was so happy today. I am looking forward to
getting the machine so that he can stay that way.

Thank you,

Kay Pierce

                ------------------- 


From: "Marisa" <mari...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002

Subject: one day

I started some of the simple techniques in
Jerrys manual today.

The family pack exercise.... come command.....
that's all so far though.

I did get the proper equipment as well.
20 foot leash, cans with pennies partially
crushed, flat collar, etc.

I have also stopped any negative reinforcment
such as loud "No" and "Bad girl Sonique!"
(Sonique is my Jack russell) and holding her
back, which I normally MUST do or she'll jump
and nip sometimes, but always jumping and barking.

Already tonight some has started working.
When someone came to the door, Sonique
went nuts as usual.

I said "Thank you Sonique!"
"It's o.k. girl, thank you!"

And we got a total of about 6 barks and then
no jumping on guests, no biting, growling
or the worst, the continued barking she
normally does.

She accepted my praise, and trooted around,
still excited over guests, but she was WAY
more under control.

Even my roomates noticed this.

She repeated this same thing
without all her normal fuss later
when another two friends came over.

So I do need more time, going to keep with it
another day, another month whatever until I
know I am getting results, although I must say,
so far I am impressed with my dog.

She really responds to praise better than
she ever has responded to treats as distraction
from the guests and doorbell, or me yelling
"bad girl! go away now! shoosh up!" all the time.

I am also verbally praising her everytime
she makes eye contact with me. so hopefully
things will continue going well!-

- Marisa
                     ------------------ 

From: Nevyn (ali...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Date: 2002-03-01 03:15:50 PST

Hello

I have two mungrel females; the breeds exactly are Blue Heeler
(spots) x Kelpi (dominant genes) x American Pitbull (behavioural)
x Pug (don't laugh!).

They are gentle loving dogs when I'm at home with them, and they
are friendly with unknown people. They are sisters. One is obviously
dominant over the other, and I don't have a problem with that,
however;

Their behaviour is very odd. Some days they are very good whilst
I'm walking them, some days they are not. They are 3 years old
and have only been walking for about 12 months because my mom
didn't walk them and now I'm home so I walk them for about an hour
and half every afternoon.

I take them to the park where they chase birds and swim in the lake.

This is my problem :

The less-dominant dog viscously barks at every other dog we walk
past; I have tried using a stick and giving her a tap when she
does it, and treating her with treats when she doesn't, using a
choke chain, a muzzle and a thing that sprays stuff in her mouth
when she barks.

She won't stop! Does anyone know how I can stop her?

Also, the more-dominant dog seems to know this is WRONG, when
the other dog barks, she doesn't bark, but she nips at the other
dog as if telling her to cut it out, and then the barking one
attacks the more-dominant one and they fight on the leash... it
is quite disturbing to the people walking past.

And also the more-dominant one is okay around other dogs...
SOMETIMES... sometimes she completely ignores them, and yet
other times she will attack them, like yesterday. The less
dominant one I must keep on a leash if a person brings there
dog to the park.

How do I stop them attacking other dogs? I have tried all the
methods I have used above for 10 months every afternoon. Is it
just a pac k-behaviour thing?

It can really be quite embarrassing when your dogs attack
some old lady's or little girl's dog.

They are good dogs, when at home or when there are no other dogs
around. Today there were hundreds of sparrows flying around the park
and they were chasing them and jumping up trying to catch them for
more than 90 minutes (They went straight to bed when I bought them
home!). Can anyone help me? Email me at my emails address,
ali...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 coz this list is tooo crowded.

Thanks,
Nevyn

                           ---------------- 

Professora Daniel and Sun****ne was in Michigan and Nevyn was
 in Australia and Valerie was in UK and Kay was somewhere in
the US. They all had aggressive dogs and they all CURED their
dog's aggression NEARLY INSTANTLY simply by DOIN
EVERY THING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of
 HOWE you PREFER:

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Doggy advice

Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.

I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.

I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:

whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.

The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).

You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.

As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine you may find my resume
in Who's Who in Science and Technology I have been listed
 in Who's Who in the S & SE USA since 1982, and in the big
books, Who's Who in the USA, WW in the World, WW in
Medicine  etc, and WW in Science and Technology, since that date.

These are the Marquis Publications, the "real" WW, and
you can't get yourself into them.

               -------------------- 

Nevyn has since gone on to become a professional dog trainer:

HOWEDY Group,

Here some SUCCESS STORIES ive had using
JERRY'S MANUAL

1) My dogz, two *****es - Vicious, barking, aggressive,
pulled on leash, wanted to kill any dogs they saw, fought
between each other. TWO WEEKS using Jerry's manual,
they were calm, friends, my companions.

2) ADDED A BEAGLE PUPPY (male) to my "PACK", the
girls had -NO PROBLEMS- with him from the moment I
dropped him by their noses.

3) My FRIENDS dogs  2 MALES barking and jumping
at the fence all night 3 DAYS TRAINING WITH JERRY'S
MANUAL they were CALMED AND HAVEN'T BARKED ONCE!

Added a NEW MALE DOG (2 yrs old) AND
WELCOMED HIM WITH NO WUCKAS !

4) POODLE that ATE food from the KITCHEN BENCH -
lock him in a box? NO! USE JERRYS MANUAL! 4 DAYS
AND HES NEVER DONE IT SINCE!

5) ABUSED DOGS AT THE SHELTER I WORK AT -
HAD TO BE FED WITH A BUCKET ON  A STICK -
ONE WEEK ON JERRYS MANUAL, THE SUPERVISOR
TOLD ME TO PUT THEM IN THE PUBLIC KENNELS
FOR SALE !

Quite amazing to - I thought they were just dull coloured
dogs, but after I had removed the fear and anxiety their
hairs coloured up amazingly.

6) STAFFY FEMALE who would NOT DROP HER
BALL! She carried it around all day and night - 3
DAYS on jerrys MANUAL and she now DROPS
it when u ASK her to!

BWHWHAHAHAHAAHA !!!!

Nevyn

                  ============

Val writes Monday, 6/3/02:

Well, for what it's worth, I am praising without physical
contact and she does seem to listen better than when I
would praise with it.   I agree that it is a distraction.

Anyway, no more aggressive behaviors from her since I
started the Witts End.

Friday, 5/31/02:

HOWEDY Valerie,

"Valerie M. Holmes" <Holme...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:vVAJ8.14474$LC3.1002840@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I recently adopted a female, spayed 3 1/2 yr old dalmatian
> from a no-kill shelter.

Nice goin.

> She spent 2 years in the shelter and naturally she has some
> socialization issues to overcome.

Naaah not naturally, anyHOWE. Kenneling for a long time
shouldn't have problems associated with it if the facility
was reasonable, and if they're not killin dogs they couldn't
be as cruel as our dog lovers janet boss john richardson
and mikey ball who gladly help dogs DIE.

> My problem is I am not quite sure HOW to tackle these issues. . .

Don't worry about it! I got all the answers and none of the calories.
All ya got to do is agree to do anything Jerry sez and you get the
aluminum funnel hat, member****p card, secret password, secret
decoder ring, secret fan club privilidges, secret FREE Wits' End Dog
Training Method manual, secret FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method
member's benefits, and secret Contract Signed In Werewoof And Elf
Blood with a lifetime GUARANTEE NEVER to have a dog behavior
problem again and your dog will ALWAYS WANT to do as you ask.

IMPOSSIBLE? It gets EVEN BETTER! Stick around...

> 1.  She is aggresive toward **ALL** other dogs,

Ooops! WE got a TOUGH problem here. I hope you're fit,
dog training is a physical skill not easily learned through
books, the written word just can't SHOW you the precise
moves necessary for commanding a dog.

Every dog is an individual, and we got to SEE the behaviors
to even GUESS what's going on with your dog. THEN we got
to formulate a training program based on the individual dog's
requirements for physical and emotional PRESSURE and learn
the fine art of attrition and have the expertise to hurt your dog
PRECICELY, and ONLY WHEN NECESSARY.

But FIRST, a trip to the vet is in order. Any sudden changes in
behavior needs to be examined by the veterinarian and he'll be
able to give you a referral to such an expert who knows HOWE
and when to HURT your dog properly to make it friendly or
advise you when to KILL IT TO BE FAIR.

So, tomorrow morning call your vet and make an appointment
in 15 days to put your dog to sleep. Ask him HOWE MUCH.
Hang up the phone and SPEAK TO NO ONE!!!

SAY NOTHING TILL you put that money into an envelope
with your dog's name PRINTED on it in UPPER CASE thingys.
MAKE SURE you GO DIRECTLY TO THE BANK, SPEAK
NOTHING!, and withdraw ONLY NEW BILLS!

If you cannot obtain NEW currency KEEP GOIN! We need
CLEAN MONEY for this SACRIFICE. When you accept
this money DO NOT TOUCH! HAVE THE TELLER PUT
THE BILLS INTO THE ENVELOPE AND SEAL IT.

ASK HER TO PRINT YOUR DOG'S NAME ON THE BACK,

Ooops! DON'T! That's just an expression. Hand the teller a
note. DON'T SPEAK!

NOT THE FRONT. THE BACK OF THE SACRIFICIAL
ENVELOPE IN UPPER CASE THINGY'S.

Now you can speak, but don't, nobody will believe you. Trust me.
Take the envelope to your HOWES and put it inside your pillow
case and FORGET ABOUT IT. Don't need that for two weeks yet.

> even dogs that have shown that they are willing to be submissive.

Oooops? What's that mean? I don't understand doggietalkie.
You mean she attacks other dogs, boys, girls, puppys, all dogs?
Good. That tells me we consistency going for us to fix it.

When does she get an op****tunity to have a dog cower?

> Upon sight of a dog, she lunges and snarls.

O.K., that's GOOD! That tells me we can probably break the
lunging in a few minutes of work. Maybe five, but we'll need
to repeat it a few times to generalize the idea. And we'll need
to do a little work to learn to handle her properly, maybe an
hour over several 15 minute sessions and a half dozen 5
minute sessions. I hope your ciphering is keepin up with us.

> 2.  She is usually kind and affectionate toward her owner (me),

Well, usually? I don't like usually. I like always, consistent,100%,
that's what's good. Always consistent. Consistent behaviors
change to other, often seemingly un related, consistent behaviors.

Dogs like consistency too, but not repression. You'll see.

> but recently began turning sour

Ooops! That's good. That tells me the rest of the problem
is as I thought, JUST a little mishandling. I'll teach you
every thing you need to know. We're about half way
done training aready. WATCH!

> and for no apparent reason

All problem dog behaviors are a PREDICTABLE direct result
of our ineffective and inappropriate responses to our dog's
innate normal natural instinctive reflexive responses to
cir***stances of their environment WE create for them.

I'll teach you HOWE to train yourself to respond differently
to your dog's instinctive reflexes to you, which will cause
your dog to reflex differently to your CONDITIONED reflexive
responses and interactions towards him, compelling him
to NATURALLY WANT to do EVERY THING you ask,
cause THAT'S THE NATURE OF THE BEAST.

Once YOU have learned proper handling techniques
and appropriate non physical control through conditioned
distraction and praise *(ABOUT 2 HRS WORK, maybe
less,) you'll be able to negotiate any obstacle LIKE
MAGICK, relying on scientific conditioning and desensitization
techniques and demonstrated self control as explained in
our Contract.. err, your FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method
manual available for FREE at http://www.doggydoright.com
. Ahem.

Unless you got that one in a BAZILLION dog that's gonna
throw Jerry the dew claw. Don't let that happen. I'll work
you through the whole process and you'll see results
tomorrow. You'll have the behavior in pretty good shape
in a week, and in about ten days we should be ready to start
introducing her to a couple select dogs in about fifteen minutes
of work and then we'll repeat that again a couple times and
again with a couple moore dogs and then we'll be ready to start
with the first dog again for the off lead introduction and you're
DONE.

Oooops! PROBLEMO. My arithmetic sez we're gonna
need a couple moore days to work this introduction
business till the aggression is thouroghly and permenantely
extinguished. If we break our Contract, I'm err, shall we say
OUTTA HERE FOREVER?

Of course I could handle this a lot faster in person myself
cause I can control you and your dog to insure the result,
so nobody's got to do nothin noHOWE, but speak when I ask,
and hush as I speak and relish each word like candy you'd eat,
and jump when I say, ask HOWE HIGH and salute, and
tout tributes to Jerry's manual whenever you open your mouth...

That's all. Oh, and one other thing... I hope you don't faint
at the sight of blood. WE got to sign a contract. HOWE
MUCH do you want this dog to turn out PERFECT in
about two weeks? I'm willing to...shall we say STAKE
my ahahahahahaaaa, life on it???

BWWWWAHAHAHAAAA!!!

> and...

And NUTHIN

I REBUKE YOU IN THE NAME OF SATAN, DOG LOVER!!!

You'll do as I say and dance when I speak...and sing
for your breakfast and beg for your treat ...I'll stop at
at nuthin to save your dog's life, include sell the souls
of my dog and my wife, to prove there's no way to make
a dog lover right. I'll go with The Devil to save our dog's
lives, I'll fight tooth and nail with guns and with knives,
I'm droppin the hammer on dog trainer's careers,
and takin their eye teeth along with their rears. They
been jerkin and chokin the life outta dogs and now I
got them all by their balls in my jaws...

Now go ahead and pinch my ears..., or just make me laugh.

I just told you we figured out your dog's problem.

> snarls toward me!

Big deal. She won't do that noMOORE once you learn
to handle her like any of my students.

> This has completely destroyed the trust

What trust? The trust established with your choke collar
and corrections?

Don't worry about a thing. WE got a CONTRACT. Remember?

> we were building over the past month.

BWWWWAJJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAAAAA!!!
Got me laughin in Spanish and I don't even speak Spanish.

> 3.  She deals with visitors,

Deals? Sounds tentative. She's just a little shy.

Don't worry about it.

I'm the only game in town. I got the deal  and Jerry don't make no
deals... Well not no moore, since I'm tem****arily outta... mmm,
currency.

Jerry don't compromise with dog lovers who prefer to
hurt and kill dogs than spend a couple hours trying to show
the dog HOWE to live instead of forcing IT to choose the
degree of pain it prefers to tolerate in between spurts of life,
anxiety, and repression.

> but is very anxious around people she doesn't know.

Shy. The anxiety is a result of punishment for being aggressive
cause she's shy, or maybe just from back when a puppy jumpin
up onto a guest and gettin kneed in the chest or toes stepped
on or alphaphalpha rolled and growled into their throat pr just
SCRUFF SHAKE and screamed NO for 5 seconds or chin CHUKED
and bit on the ears till they piss themselves or jerked and choked
on a pronged spiked pinch choke collar or burned with a medical
grade static like stimulation device or containment system like
our dog lovers at k9 web and cindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooron recommend TO ENHANCE THE BOND between 'trainer'
and dog.

Our traditional training methods are what's making your dog
turn on you for hurting and scaring her during her meetings
with other dogs. Our pal lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn and
janet boss recommend pronged spiked pinch choke and shock
and citronella collars for training thiskind of dog... and they'd
rather not put IT through all that when there's SO MANY dogs
that are deserving of their HELP. And then they'll deny it, despite
it's archived FOREVER.

You see where WE're goin with all this? WATCH.

>  At first she would scream if a stranger petted her with 2 hands.

I'd probably come real close to dropping the hammer on them
myself. My dogs will bite you if a stranger meeting us put their
hands on us in a restraining manner. We don't like that. Trust me.
Strangers touching us means we got to run and find an adult or
a policeman. RIGHT? Either that or...

> I just don't trust her around anyone yet.

Me too. I never trust a dog. I only trust my training methods
and then we don't got to worry about what the heel the dog
cares... who the heel's the goddamned trainer, you or the
dog?

THE DOG!

You got to TRAIN YOURSELF to reflex to his needs properly
and then he'll reflex to his natural instinct and be able to use
his dog skills as part of your family pack, equally with you
and the other family members.

Every thing you've been taught about handling your dog
is DEAD WRONG and your dog is prima facia evidence
in Jerry's Giiihhhaaad against the dog behavior industry
for bringing us every dog behavior problem we've got.

> 4.  She lunged at my sisters 2 year old

$#!T! You're gonna try and make this hard for me aren't ya,
pullin the fear/guilt double high card trump tryin to make Old
Jerry roll over and piss himself with the 2 yo kid card???

NOTHIN DOIN! Get the heel outta here!

IN THE NAME OF SATAN I REBUKE  YOU, DOG LOVERS!!!

> the same way she lunged toward other dogs, aggressively.

Duh-Oh! Spooooookey!!! BWWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

> I really really like this dog,

THAT'S GREAT! I do too. I like all dogs on general principle
and individual dogs on merit and don't like nobody no moore
than me...and mine. You got your copy of The Contract?
Don't worry about nuthin. Me an mine are comin through
this alive... sort of, in a sense.

> when she is calm and able to relax.

Vs what? I would like to know when she's not calm and able
to relax... tell us what she's doin. THOSE are the anxitey
relief mechanisms WE need to deal with so I can fulfill
OUR Contract and... finish you off, and that little dog too!

> I want to keep her,

LIKEWISE. WE got a long term Contract. Haven't we?

> but I don't really know what the best way to establish
> the necessary trust.

Yeah, as a matter of fact we got EXPERTS here. Let me
INTRODUCE you around?

> Any ideas out there?

Yeah. Our dog lovers were just on their way to another forum.
Weren't you, dog lovers? We'll introduce our new found friends
later. Right now our OP's got some studying to do before she
has an accident cause she won't know HOWE to handle her
lead to stop triggering her dog to pull if she's wastin time with
dog abusers who jerk and choke dogs. That's moore then half
of what gets IT angry.

Now if this sounds too unbelievable I'll just up the ante.

I'll PAY YOU $10.00 / hr to study with me, IF YOU FAIL.
Call or write for details and agreement: 1 888 WITSEND. Jerry. j;~)

                 ================================

     "The day may come when the rest of the animal creation
                  may acquire those rights
         which never could have been withholden from them
                    but by the hand of tyranny.
             The question is not can they REASON,
                       nor can they TALK,
                     but can they SUFFER?"  -
                      - Jeremy Bentham

           "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised
                 for the good of its victims,
                 may be the most oppressive.
           Those who torment us for our own good
                 will torment us without end,
             for they do so with the approval of
                   their own conscience." -
                       - C.S. Lewis.

         "Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny",
                  Aeschylus (525BC-456BC),
                        Agamemnon.

        "If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
                   and you will know each other.
         If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
                and what you do not know you will fear.

                   What one fears, one destroys."
                      Chief Dan George

             All truth p***** through three stages.
                     First, it is ridiculed.
               Second, it is violently opposed.
            Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
                    -Arthur Schopenhauer

             "Thank you for fighting the fine fight-- 
                  even tho it's a hopeless task,
                     in this system of things.
                  As long as man is ruling man,
                 there will be animals (and humans!)
                    abused and neglected. :-(
                    Your student," Juanita.

                "If you've got them by the balls
                    their hearts and minds
                        will follow,"
                         John Wayne.

                    ANY QUESTIONS, People?

                  "Ye shall know the truth,
              and the truth shall make you mad." -
                       ~Aldous Huxley.

      "Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens!"
      "Against stupidity the Gods themselves  contend in vain!"
                      -Friedrich Schiller.

                          INDEEDY.

       AND THAT'S HOWE COME THEY GOT ME NHOWE!

                        In Love And Light,
             I Remain Respectfully, Humbly Yours,
                The WORLD'S CRUELEST Trainer,
                           Jerry Howe,
         The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
                         A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
                      *M-A-J-E-S-T-I-C*
                         *G-R-A-N-D*
                       *M-A-S-T-E-R*
        Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Ferret, Goat, Monkey
              SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard <{) ;~ ) >

                HOWE MAY I SERVE YOU <{}; ~ ) >

Sincerely,
Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
Human And Animal Behavior
Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory,
BIOSOUND Scientific,
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St
Orlando, FL 32805
Phone: 1-407-425-5092 (Call ANY TIME)
http://www.freewebs.com/thesimplyamazingpuppywizard

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Re: My dog keeps attacking my puppy
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