HOWEDY paul e. schoen, you pathetic miserable stinkin
rotten lyin animal muderin punk thug coward active acute
chronic life long incurable malignant maliciHOWES
MENTAL CASE,
"Paul E. Schoen" <pstech@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>
> "Phil Odox" <philodox@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:dnid449agcfsphbq71t22n4p7mavflmfj9@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:44:30 -0400, Janet Boss
>> <janet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>> Phil Odox <philodox@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>>> Don't blame yourself for that, Paul. Janet made you believe she was a
>>>> knowledgeable authority figure,
You knew IN ADVANCE that janet is a lyin dog murderin mental case.
>>>> and according to Stanley Milgram's research most if not all
>>>> who allow themselves to be put into a pupil/authority situation obey
>>>> that authority figure even if what they're told to do conflicts
>>>> with their personal conscience.
Well paulie, YOU PROVED Milgram DEAD WRONG.
You REFUSED to NOT jerk and choke your "RESCUE"
dog Muttley despite that he was learning to TRUST you
NOT TO HURT HIM by usin the Hot & Cold EXXXORCISE
I was TRYIN to teach you, you pathetic miserable stinkin
rotten lyin animal murderin mental case. But you let the
DOG MURDERING MENTAL CASE SHAME you into
HURTIN your dog an gettin your DEAD KAT Photon DEAD:
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
<snip>
If I did not have to worry about my cat, I would
probably keep him, and I am certain I could avoid
any more dangerous episodes. I probably would
not have taken him to obedience cl***** at this time
if that was not such a difficult issue, and if people
here had not essentially shamed me into doing so.
Then he would only be a bratty dog with a mind of
his own, but he would not have been identified as
dangerous.
--------------------------
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
>>> Or not. Paul didn't do crap and most definitely
>>> did not follow instruction.
That's NOT true. paulie was EAGER to JERK an CHOKE
Muttley on janet's custom made pronged spiked pinch choke
collar and bribe and lock IT in a box and IGNORE ITS cries:
"Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
stern correction" --Janet Boss
Here's janet's CUSTOME MADE pronged spiked pinch choke collar:
http://tinyurl.com/5m6ppt
"J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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He was next to me and I could see his neck
muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
Janet Boss
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> "J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > dog like a Lab.
An INSENSITIVE DOG???
> > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> > I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.
Do you think the citronella collar is CRUEL
cause the SMELL LINGERS after the dog's
been sprayed in the face and the dog won't
know HOWE COME IT was MACED?
janet CONtinues:
> > My dogs are not human children wearing fur- they are DOGS.
> > I don't have anything against electronic bark collars, but they
> > should be used in conjunction with actually working at training
> > your dog(s).
They're DUMB ANIMALS these MENTALLY ILL LYING
DOG ABUSERS HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER.
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THAT'S HOWE COME you couldn't train Muttley to be PALS
with your second "RESCUE" dog Lucky, whom you GOT RID
OF to a KILL "shelter". REMEMBER, paulie? Do you REALLY
believe they PLACED her within a week, with all the PIT BULL
BLOOD in her veins? OR do you suppHOWES they MURDERED
IT as a "owner surrendered" PIT BULL DOG JUST LIKE HOWE
janet's "shelter" does?
You KNOW they MURDERED her, don't you, paulie.
>> Good, because your instruction would most certainly result in cruelty.
That's ALL janet and her PALS here understand.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
down (his appointment is next Wednesday),
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
Hello everyone:
If you have followed some of my posts, you know
something about the ongoing story of Muttley, the
large GSD/Chow dog I have been trying to adopt
or place in a better home.
I will add a bit more history later in this post.
Last Tuesday, toward the end of Janet's obedience
class, Muttley and I had just finished fairly successfully
performing a sit/stay/come routine, and then he was
sitting by my side.
The final routine was to be a "down", which Muttley
has had some difficulty with, and frankly I have not
had the time to work with him much on that.
I was kneeling at his side, trying to hold his collar
while pu****ng his front legs down to the position,
while he resisted. Suddenly he lunged, knocking
me over onto the parking lot, and I lost grip of the
leash as I reflexively broke my fall.
Muttley took the op****tunity to attack a young black
male Lab to my left, and it was a very brutal attack.
Janet and the instructors tried to gain control, and as
soon as I could get to my feet I grabbed the leash and
pulled him off.
That was the end of the class, and the other dog,
Bernie, was taken to an animal hospital for treatment.
When everyone had left, Janet counseled me about
what should be done about Muttley.
She said this was more than ordinary aggression,
and only intensive (and expensive) one on one
training would have any chance at working, and
in any case, he was not suited to group training.
She advised me that Muttley could be dangerous,
and she recommended that he be euthanized.
"They can't all be saved".
<snip>
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> Yes, it's a good thing that I did not persist with the method I was
taught
> to make Muttley get down. Maybe he was confused because, in the 'hood
> where he grew up, "get down" means to
> jump up and dance! But, seriously, Janet should have recognized that,
for
> whatever reason, Muttley and I were having a problem
> keeping up with the rest of the class, and she should have told me to
try
> more basic commands away from the group, and come
> earlier so that Muttley would have more time to socialize and not be so
> stressed, or even just tell me that I must take another class and spend
> more time on homework.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
janet's ABUSIVE methods CONSISTENTLY make dogs GO INSANE:
Subject: Re: redirected aggression
Date: 4/11/07
"Janet Boss" <ja...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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seems I have been dealing with this a bit lately.
Dog to dog and dog to person,, with dogs who are
obviously overstimulated by what's in front of them.
What's in front of them varies from people at the door
to dogs in their path or directly in their face. The dogs
in question all have very poor self control.
I have dog(s) with not-so-great-natural self control,
so it's something we constantly work on. We don't
have redirected stuff going on, because we have enough
obedience to avoid it.
While I know that's the big answer for the dogs in
question as well, I'm curious what things people have
found useful to redirect/focus/gain attention from
drivey dogs or just very distracted of over-the-top dogs.
We're having success with my recommendations, but I'm
always open to something novel that may be the hot ticket.
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
BWEEEEEAAAAHAHAHAHHHAAAA!!!
HERE'S HOWE COME:
#2 - 6/05/07
>> When I was training him under Janet's supervision
>> I was instructed to give it a ? firm yank as a correction.
>
> I advised you to use a prong collar, not give firm
> yanks on a chain choke collar. I hate the things.
>
>> She was able to get his attention with
>> just a quick tug, but I had to yank on it
>> hard enough to lift him off his feet to get
>> him to respond. Looking back now, I think
>> it was based on his fear, which he had for
>> her (as an unknown), but not for me
>> (whom he had learned to trust).
>
> He wasn't afraid of me. He knew I was a
> confident trainer. Fear has no place in dog
> training, as I told you THEN.
> Janet
It seems to me that applying stern corrections, by
popping a choker chain, prong collar, or whatever,
is a way to ensure compliance by instilling a fear
of further punishment.
Sure, if it is administered very consistently
by a confident trainer, the dog soon learns
to obey. There was no positive reinforcement,
so what remains is negative.
Also, I recall the time you were going to show me
how I could get Muttley to take his rawhide treat
from me without lunging for it. When you offered
it to him, he refused to take it. This IMHO is likely
a fear behavior.
Things have changed a lot since then, and I have
learned a lot, and Muttley has settled down quite
a bit. I probably still give him too much freedom
to think on his own, but that's just my way of
doing things, and that's probably not going to
change much. He may never win an obedience
medal, but I don't think he is dangerously out
of control, either.
Paul and Muttley
"I thought I was told that the way to get the dog to go
down was to make him sit and then step onthe leash.
That was awkward and didn't seem to work.
I will confess that I only tried the "down" position
once or twice at home, and I also often used it
instead of "Off" when I wanted him to stop
jumping on me or elsewhere I didn't want him to be.
I had to give him corrections every few seconds,
and also just about kick him, to keep him at my
left side.
Muttley is really a very sweet and loving dog, but
he needs more socialization with other dogs. However,
it is very likely that I will have him put down in a week."
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
down (his appointment is next Wednesday),
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> It was very unprofessional of her to gloat while I struggled to make
> Muttley heel and walk around with so many other dogs, frantically
yanking
> on his lead and the prong/choker collar.
Did janet FORCE you to HURT Muttley, paulie?
> And it should have been obvious to her or at least one of her assistants
> that I was not implementing the "down" instruction properly, as I'm sure
I
> was struggling with that for at least a couple of minutes.
THAT IS the "down" COMMAND, paulie <{}: ~ ( >
> But they were handing out homework assignments, and not
> paying attention, especially to me and Muttley, because we were unworthy
> of their esteemed instruction because I was a naughty student and should
> be punished.
NO PROBLEMO~!
> Unfortunately, the young Lab was the one that suffered, along
> with her frightened owner, and Muttley almost lost his life as a result.
You mean as a RESULT of YOU HURTIN HIM.
>>>> I'm so glad to know that Muttley came through and found the
>>>> courage to bond with you after suffering Janet's cruel treatment.
>>>
>>>What cruel treatment would that be?
>>
>> Yours, of course.
>>
>>>> Your bond with Muttley is stronger than anything Janet will ever
>>>> experience with a dog
>>>
>>>Uh. no.
>>
>> Uh, yes, absolutely. Any relation****p you might think you
>> have with a dog would be built on fear, and that kind of
>> relation****p is always a bitter one with mistrust on one
>> side and delusion on the other.
>
> For some dogs, especially "soft" ones
The terms "soft" and "hard" dogs are ONLY used by DOG ABUSERS.
> like the Goldens Janet is so fond of, may respond quickly to
> the methods she was teaching, and there would not be so much
> fear involved.
Well THAT AIN'T TRUE, paulie. Just READ janet's POSTED
CASE HISTORY of her own hyperactive fearful neurotic deathly
ill dogs <{}: ~ ( >
> Muttley was (and still is) a bit fearful,
Naaaah? You mean HE DON'T TRUST YOU, paulie?
> although he is now much better after more than two years of
> socialization and gentle training. Muttley still pulls too much when he
is
> walked, but it is because
It's on accHOWENTA YOU CHOKE HIM, paulie.
> he is very focused on new sights and smells to explore,
You mean, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER DOG, paulie?
> and I can't walk fast enough for him.
That's ABSURD, paulie. Dogs PULL to ESCAPE their
ABUSER CHOKIN THEM, like HOWE you do Muttley.
Force "TRAINING" does NOT TRAIN dogs, paulie, it
FORCES CON-TROLL untill the DEVICE is REMOVED
an then the dog TRIES TO ESCAPE his ABUSER.
> The pronged collar and choker chain do not exert much of an influence on
> him because of his powerfully built neck,
That's INSANE, paulie. Your dog Muttley throws hisself to
the ground and rubs to try to relieve the PAIN in his throat.
> and I even bought a Halti,
The Halti is another PAIN FEAR FORCE and INTIMIDATION device.
> but Janet insisted on her own prong collar, which eventually was
shredded
> because Muttley scratched at it.
You mean DESPITE that: "The pronged collar and choker
chain do not exert much of an influence on him", paulie?
> Recently I tried an Easy Walk harness,
That's another PAIN FEAR FORCE INTIMIDATION
CHOKING DEVICE, paulie <{}: ~ ( >
> and Muttley did not pull very much with it, but it was
> awkward to use in the woods where I walk him. It also seemed a bit cruel
> to interfere with the normal functioning
> of his front legs.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> But it might have been useful for training if I had been told about them
> for the obedience cl*****. At least I would not have had to forcibly
yank
> him around to make him obey,
RIGHT. You'd have CRIPPLED him instead.
> which really just teaches him that force is an acceptable way to get
what
> you want.
Naaaah?
You mean INSTEAD of TRAININ your dog NEARLY
INSTANTLY simply by DOIN EVERY THING
EXXXACTLY OPPOSITE of HOWE you PREFER, paulie?
LIKE THIS:
"Greg M. Silverman" <gmsNOS...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
Hey, Mr. Wizard, or Alchemist or whatever your alias
of the day is, have to say that our dog heels much
better than she did. This is after reading and
implementing the bit in your "Wits End" treatise.
And she's a royal nutter (but then again, aren't they all?).
Cheers! Greg--
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AND LIKE THIS:
"Leprechaun" <Leprech...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> Jerry believes he's a dog trainer.
Fortunately, I happen to believe he is too.
I took a rescued three year old beagle that
had been kept outside all of its life that didn't
even recognize or respond to its name to
Jerry's home (That ugly cinder block shack???
get real) and in just over one hour of working
with the dog, he was coming on command
(not a quickly as he does now, but still...) and
walking with us on a loose lead.
His "hot/cold" exercise and "come when called"
command and pack exercise WORK!
> and in all likelihood he's never even been near a dog.
Well, he's been near mine, and done wonders for him.
You don't have to like him. You don't have
to agree with his methods, but as far as I
am concerned, I've never seen any other
training approach that was as fast and easy.
<<<< Rest of original post deleted >>>>
Ron Flanagan
Orlando, Florida
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SEE?
AND LIKE THIS:
"Hennie van Dalen" <h.vandalen11***removethis...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote in message news:TlsCb.2895$7U1.7896@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
is age-old computer lingo.... It stands for "Read The
F***ing Manual" ;-) I used the manual and it works very good!
But it is a long text to read (76 pages printed on A4-size
paper) My lab is 1year old now, and teaching him something
new takes about 30minutes (depending on what to teach offcourse)
My other dog (a 7year old stafford****re terrier-mix) is a bit
slower in learning, but he is used to me calling him a "bad
dog"whenever he did something i didn't want him to do, or
it might be the age.
Sometimes it looks like Sam (the lab) WANTS to learn
something new: he wants me to bring along the can
filled with washers whenever we go for a walk. It is a
very "humane" way of teaching: the dog is allways a
"good dog", and never a "bad dog"
There is nu punishment or prong-collars involved.
For a fact i tought him to heel in 15min's without
beeing on a leach at-all !!! When he spotted a dog,
he used to run towards it, but now i tought him to "ask
permission" first, and to my surprise it worked!
My dogs never went to puppy-training (lucky for them),
maybe this helped too.
Manual can be found at http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html
-- Hennie van Dalen www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11
www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fotografie/doggy-pictures/
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SEE?
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"Ama...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
" wrote:
No, the dog learned that I would hold still the second she
began to pull. She would pull to go where *she* wanted.
Well if she wanted to stop and go in another direction...
say to sniff my neighbors yard.. she learned if she wanted
to do it I would stop walking and she could go.. and if there
wasn't enough slack on her lead she would just pull me.
Then when she got done doing *her* thing, she woudl heel..
smile at me and wait for me to say "let's go" and finish *my*
thing.
I would refuse to move .. i looked like an idiot.. freezing
mid walk for minutes waiting for *my* dog to heel and give
*me* permission to go again.
I did the treats and the let's go... she got to do her
stuff and get a cookie.. if she even wanted the cookie.
I wound up calling Jerry.. as I have a half red nose pit
and half amstaff.. who is incredibly protective.. we had
a new pup on the way.. and i needed help..
i followed petsmarts trainnign guides.. memorized them...
and they *did* work, don't get me wrong.. but only when my
pet wanted a cookie or felt the cookie was better than what
she wanted.. which was not often.
She quickly learned to ignore my commands if she could see
my hands were empty. So I called Jerry... he chatted me
for about an hour and a half.. gave me his link... and even
when i had probs intro'ing the pup he called me withn i5 mins
of my email for help at 10pm on a sunday night.
One.. singular.. uno family pack exercise after the hot
and cold exercise and i could zig zag down my street..
about face .. whatever.. and never had tension.
two men were acrossed the street and she walked right
by them... ordinarily she'd snarl and protect us.
And in two days.. my dog.. who bit the puppy if he even
looked like he was going near my husband or kids.. is
nursing him every hour.. cleaning him.. rough housing
gently.. and teaching him to go potty outside.. actually
watches him to make sure he doesn't go in the house...
and has milk.. which is awesome since she's 19 months old
and has never had a litter.
She also has stopped barking non stop at our neighbor's
dogs and pig.. does not bark at eveyr car that drives by
and has stopped jumping on people. she's even starting
to ignore our cat who has lived on her dome litter box
and our window sill (literally) for over a year and a half.
She also does her commands on cue..and doesn't look for a treat.
Amanda.
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"Paul B" <some...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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When I trained both my dogs to "heel" or walk close
to me I ended up going to the parks and teaching
them without a lead at all, that ensured I had to use
good communication and was unable to be tempted
to use the lead to correct them.
Another part of the training I agree with is not using
the "policeman" approach, where you tell a dog "no"
or react with it in such a way that you become involved
in the behaviour (by trying to stop it), this approach
often results in a dog ceasing the behaviour when you
are about but doing it when you aren't (bin raiding,
counter surfing etc).
Basically you are taught to make your dog a good
friend who likes and wants to work for you for the
pleasure of working for you (setting the hierarchy
is included in this), teach it to recall reliably,
then to do everything else (sit, stay down etc etc).
Unwanted behaviours are addressed as they occur.
If you understand what you are trying to achieve and
are prepared to work with it you can get great results.
Paul
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Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me!
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:33:36 -0500
Message-ID: uim43blqq1h...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I gotta speak up here... We've been using
Jerry's methods with our dog. We had the same
problem as the original poster has with Buzz.
One day working with the family pack exercise
and practicing the recall command with the family
and she'll now go out with hubby and daughter
instead of needing me to reassure her or even
refusing to go with anyone but me.
I really urge you, regardless of the negative
things you might hear about Jerry & Wits'
End here, to try the method and *judge the
results for yourself*.
Let's see what other areas she's improved in...
always comes when called, not chewing stuff
even if we leave it laying around, "re" housebroken
after long shelter stay, walks perfectly on leash,
doesn't try to steal food from our plates or beg...
probably a few more things I'm forgetting to mention.
*(Yeah, the kats lay off the koi and don't wander. jh).
That's in about a week's time.
Her overall demeanor has changed. When
we brought her home she was very untrusting
and ultra-submissive (except with her area/toys
where she was possessive and nippy).
She had been abused and beaten by previous
owners, then she was in a shelter for months.
They (most of them) wanted to give up and kill
her.
Now she's gained confidenceand trust with us.
Last night was another big breakthrough
(in my eyes). She barked! Big deal, she
barked just once when she heard the front
door. Great!
Anyway, you'll be told lots of nasty stuff about
Jerry or that the Wits' End manual is culled
from other sources. In my opinion, even if it
is, it takes only the good stuff and leaves
out the bad.
Works for me.
(And I suppose I gotta say this... I don't know
Jerry personally. I've emailed him and instant
messaged him. I have not bought a "Doggy
Do Right". He's offered help for free.)
M.
--
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I could give you a few dozen more POSTED CASE
HISTORIES of folks who've learned how to install
the come command as a conditional reflex in just a
few minutes using EFFECTIVE NON PHYSICAL
SCIENTIFIC Pavlovian and Ericksonian CONditioning,
but it'd maybe appear that I was actin like a RAPED
APE jumpin all over you, so I won't <{}: ~ ) >
> Now, I can just ask him to do things, and he will comply.
That so?
> Pulling on the lead while walking is more difficult to correct, because
it
> is, frankly, unnatural for a dog to be restrained while walking, and my
> pulling on his lead triggers the opposition reflex.
Naaah? Hey paulie? Did you know there was less than
three references to opposition reflex in all these forums
PRYOR to the MENTAL CASES here READIN it in
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, *****,
Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey
Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method
Manual?
Some of your fellHOWE MENTAL CASE PALS tried to
say I was MAKIN IT UP like all them CASE HISTORIES
I QUOTE IN FULL <{}: ~ ( >
> But he has a high prey drive, and he would run off in a flash
> if he saw a rabbit, squirrel, deer, cat, or possibly even another dog
or
> person.
Oh, you mean, LIKE THIS, paulie?:
From: Jeff Dege <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:58:22 -0500
Subject: Re: Squirrell chasing / Prey drive !!!!
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 19:06:57 -0400, buzzsaw wrote:
> A Loose Leash !?! Are you kidding me ... this
> dog is ready to go and the site of a squirell he
> is gone loose leash, tight leash, no leash.
> He can see them clear as far as 5 blocks,
> in fact when a leaf blows he is ready to bounce.
> He sees a empty water bottle, or a sprinkle head
> on the grass as approaching he is tensing up
> because it just may be rocky the squirell.
> I think the e collar is appropiate here?
> Although I never used one on him.
Won't make any difference.
I've been using an e-collar with my JRT, and it's
worked wonders for his recall. But the one time
he bolted after something small and furry, he paid
no attention to the collar until after he'd brought
it to bay.
Jeff Dege.
> Jeff Dege <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said in
> rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>> So my dog is going to decide that sitting beside me is more
>> interesting than chasing the squirrel across the street
>> because he _trusts_ me?
>
> In a convoluted way, and in part, Lucy is right. As Mary wrote,
> dogs put up with our human idiosyncrasies because we've built up
> a bond of trust. And *not* chasing a squirrel is certainly a
> strange thing from a dog's POV.
>
> Lucy, though, thinks that every dog is a dog, and that my Aussie
> will react to a squirrel the same way a hound or a Huskie will.
> In my house, "trust" with a prey-motivated dog involves a leash.
Near [sic] is a Jack Russell. And I trust that when he's
in prey-drive, he'll not even hear me call him.
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THAT'S INSANE, AIN'T IT, paulie:
Subject: The Amazing ***** Hunter <{}: ~ ) >
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"lindalee" <llindaleedan...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: 21 Jan 2006 18:34:10 -0800
Subject: Chasing squirrels
I have not posted to the group for awhile but
want to share my success of teaching my dog
Sun****ne, who has a very high prey drive, to
not go after squirrels when on a walk. It
took a few trials but he can now walk right
past squirrels running up a tree or in a yard.
Using Jerry Howe's approach I used a sound to
get his attention when he saw a squirrel and
then praised him and kept on walking past the
squirrel. Where we live in Michigan we lots of
squirrels and he was always wanting to chase
them up a tree. Jerry's approach of sound
and praise really works.
I think the people who discount his methods
have never tried the method because it works
everytine. Sometimes it takes a little practice
to get the sound from different directions but
I was able to change Sun****ne's behavior in
just a week after we moved back to Michigan.
Sun****ne is a very sensitive dog so any physical
corrections just won't work but using sound and
praise he is a really great dog who opens doors,
picks up things I drop, and and helps me a lot.
If you have a behavior problem with your dog get
a copy of Jerrry's manual and solve your problem!
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Date: 5/22/03 11:24:35 PM Eastern
Daylight Time
From: p...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Witsend...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, let me tell you, your Wits' End
Dog Training Method works.
My dog, Dasie, Loves to chase chameleons
around the barbecue on the patio. I
used this system on four different occasions.
When she went out today, she looked
everywhere else but the barbecue.
Amazing, just amazing.
I will write to Amanda about the video.
I am really excited to learn more, and
understand. Maybe just a little reassurance
that I am going about it the right way.
Thanks again
Paul
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> Thanks for your understanding. I think Jerry is right about many of the
> people in this forum enjoying the assertion of dominance
> over their dogs by using forceful methods.
You mean, like HOWE you PREFER, paulie?
> But he is totally wrong about me, and he continues to prove his
> own mental instability and hypocrisy by heaping abuse at those who
> question him or choose touse their own methods.
You mean, HURTIN your dog, paulie? I AIN'T gonna FAIL
to teach decent folks HOWE to pupperly handle train an raise
their dogs an children on accHOWENTA bein NICE to you
pathetic MENTAL CASES, like HOWE all the rest of the
"non violent" trainers have failed to do, paulie. I'm gonna
IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE an DISCREDIT you and your PALS.
From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<ThePuppyWiz...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.
You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts to
alert the world to animal abuse.
We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and sup****t your valuable
work.
Have you thought of establi****ng a nonprofit
charity to fund your im****tant work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?
In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.
--Marshall Dermer
> If he would use unconditional praise, as he preaches, he might
> have more success in convincing people to try his methods.
Praise DON'T WORK on MENTAL PATIENTS, SADISTS,
COWARDS an LIARS, paulie <{}: ~ ( >
> But he is certifiably deranged and angry, even though his heart is in
the
> right place when it comes to dogs.
INDEED? Awww, did I hurt paulie's SENSITIVE FEELINS?
> Paul and Muttley
Re: Rejected for obedience training (even evaluation)
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message news:
468f2c62$0$21031$ecde5...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote in message
news:1183778458.405615.146000@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> HOWEDY paule e. schoen,
> "Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:468dc6d8$0$11048$ecde5a14@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Now that my evaluation of Jerry's methods are complete
> You NEVER COMPLETED the first EXXXORCISE
It was unsuccessful when Muttley simply ignored
the constant praise and became confused. Maybe
that method works on high strung, needy dogs that
need to be calmed down.
> Yeah. HOWE COME you won't TRY using the NON
> VIOLENT methods I teach FOR FREE, paulie?
Your non-violent methods for dogs ring hollow
when you use verbal violence against other dog
owners, thus triggering their own opposition
reflexes. I will try other non-violent methods
that communicate what is expected of the dog.
And I don't believe that proper use of a prong
collar or choker chain are evil and physically
hurtful.
[snip verbal abuse]
So you think it is effective to withold praise,
but offer it as a bribe to get people to follow
your methods? Or promise you will stop beating
them if they obey your commands? Yet never do
it for a dog?
Paul and Muttley (almost fully recovered from
Arbitrary Praise Neurosis)
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From:
Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laborat...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sat, 07 Jul 2007 06:24:51 -0700
Subject: Re: Rejected for obedience training (even evaluation)
HOWEDY paul e. schoen,
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message news:
468f2c62$0$21031$ecde5...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote in message
> news:1183778458.405615.146000@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> HOWEDY paule e. schoen,
>> "Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
>> in message news:468dc6d8$0$11048$ecde5a14@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Now that my evaluation of Jerry's methods are
>>> complete
>> You NEVER COMPLETED the first EXXXORCISE
IN FACT, you NEVER STUDIED The Manual AS INSTRUCTED.
You see paulie, I was EXXXPECTING folks like you to come in
here BULL****IN me and therefore The Manual was written
in such a way as to be able to DIAGNOSE the BULL****ERS
from the STUDENTS who simply have difficulty with their dogs.
You're a BULL****ER and a DOG ABUSER and a COWARD.
> It was unsuccessful when Muttley simply
> ignored the constant praise and became confused.
You mean, when Muttley became UN AFRAID
of you jerking choking and intimidating him and
was waiting for you to resort to jerking and chokin
him again like HOWE you had PREFERRED to
do pryor to TRY bein KIND to your dog?:
From: <>
To: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: Damned Family Leader****p Exercise -
Re: Am I expecting to much
Hi Jerry,
When I talked to you on the phone to order to machine
for daughter's new pup, I told you that I had an older
Chessie. I rescued him at 9 years old and have had
him for 3 years.
It's funny, but I thought I'd try some of your book
training with him. Where I used to say "come" and
then say "good boy" when he obeyed, I have reversed
it with a "good boy" first.
It really does work.
He was very confused at first, wondering
what he had done to get the praise.
But it really gets the attention and distracts him from
whatever he may have going through his brain when
he hears it.
Dogs are funny, but people are too. Can't wait to get
the Doggy do Right, etc.
Thanks,
N
> Maybe that method works on high strung,
> needy dogs that need to be calmed down.
The Method WORKS on ALL critters, even
wolves, children and ladies even better than
cookies and ****ny objects <{}: ~ ) >
>> Yeah. HOWE COME you won't TRY using the NON
>> VIOLENT methods I teach FOR FREE, paulie?
> Your non-violent methods for dogs ring hollow
> when you use verbal violence against other dog
> owners,
"Other dog owners", paulie? But not YOU.
You're gonna QUIT TRAINING Muttley withHOWET
HURTIN HIM on accHOWENTA I'm CRUEL to "other
dog owners" who JERK CHOKE SHOCK CRIPPLE and
MURDER their dogs?
> thus triggering their own opposition reflexes.
Seems you dislike "OTHER DOG OWNERS" being
verbally assaulted even more than Muttley dislikes
being jerked and choked, eh?
Would you be kindly enough to CITE where I was
CRUEL to you when you STOPPED HURTIN your
dog?
> I will try other non-violent methods
There AIN'T NO "other non-violent methods"
unless you mean BRIBERY / clicker idiocy:
"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING
THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT.
Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge,
demonstrated HOWE we escape the phenomenon that
an expected reward not received is experienced as a
punishment and can produce extensive and persistent
aggression (Azrin et al, 1966)."
> that communicate what is expected of the dog.
<SNIP>
You and your MENTAL CASE DOG ABUSIN COWARD PALS
CAN'T POST YOUR LIES IDIOCY INSANITY AND ABUSE
HERE abHOWETS nodoGdameneD more, paulie <{}: ~ ( >
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