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> Hello.
You mean 'HOWEDY Gang Of Pathetic Miserable Stinkin
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EVERY poster to this thread, other than vic33, is a PROVEN
LYIN DOG MURDERIN MENTAL CASE. Vic33, OTOH,
is simply a SPAMMER who's SELLIN the cesar millan 'Z dog
wheeesper' / adam katz webring MAFIA SCAM, where they
start you off BUYING a GUARANTEED training method and
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their $400.00 SHOCK COLLAR and HIRE WON of their web
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> I recently got a Female German Shepherd and Male Rottweiler
> both pure bread a week ago. They are both now 9 weeks old.
EXXXCELLENTE~!
I often recommend folks buy two same age puppys:
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: "BlueMoon" <martha.br...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 3 Oct 2006 10:51:17 -0700
Subject: Re: Anyone actually tried Jerry Howe's techniques?
I tried Jerry's techniques when we got 2 puppies, Lab/German
Shepard Mix, sisters, at 3 months old. I was really at a loss.
I'm not a dog trainer, and it had been years since I had a puppy to
train. My husband's Dad was a vet, so they had quite a few as he
was growing up. I downloaded the manual (it was free, what did
I have to lose?) and we were both surprised to see his methods
deliver results in just a few days.
Some methods took a bit longer, some showed immediate results,
but we've now got some of the best behaved and happiest dogs in
the neighbourhood.
It went against alot of pre-conceived ideas we had about how
to train a dog. It's been over 3 months now, and so far, so good.
I'm not saying other methods don't work, but I had no interest in
trying any of them after I saw the results from this. It worked for
us without having to bribe, scold, or get frustrated.
Praise and attention alone work wonders when done at the right moment.
If you just follow the manual, you'll find that he r
eally knows what he's talking about.
Bluemoon
SEE?
CONtraWIZE to the "advice" you've been given from HOWER
LYIN DOG ABUSIN MENTAL CASES, raising two same age puppys makes TRAINING
them twice as fast and effective.
LIKE THIS:
Here's an SAR trainer of twenty years EXXXPERIENCE:
From: Mike (m.bidd...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST
> > Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said.
> > Mike
>
> Ok Mike which part worked for you?
It helped clear problems from my dogs in the
field using the can penny distraction technique.
Works like a charm.
My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie,
retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did
I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team
Leader.
Sorry that slipped my mind.
I have read volumes of training books and don't
know where people get that Jerry copied others
work as I have NEVER come across his methods
before. I would like to see proof.
Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one
at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to
the way I wanted them but this is backward, you train
out the problems leaving what you want left over.
Funny part is the second dog who had the same
problems as the other didn't need correcting for
some of his habits after I cleared it from the
first dog.
Seemed he learned through osmosis.
Nice side benefit there.
It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party
trainer as they were not performing well. The
VAST majority of working dog trainers are
agressive in their actions with the dogs.
I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I
was at my "Whits End" then someone I new
turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history.
I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual
and all have had great results. Starting puppies
out on the distraction technique is especially
good because they never develop the habit.
I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down
stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home
following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and
put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after
2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG
FOR 6 HRS!
First night, that has never happened in all my days.
Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple.
Mike
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> I am curious if anyone has any tips
No, sorry dvalente4, The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely
Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, *****,
Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard
NEVER gives "tips" or "suggestions". HE TRAINS dog lovers
ALL OVER the WHOWEL WILD WORLD HOWE to pupperly
raise, train an handle ALL critters NEARLY INSTANTLY simply
by DOIN EVERY THING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE
of HOWE we been taught by the professional trainers and university
trained behaviorists whom I've IDENTIFIED EXXXPOSED and
DISCREDITED BY NAME based on their own words and the
results of their backwards, archaic, ineffective, useless, deranging
works AS CITED in their own posted case histories <{}: ~ ) >
> or knowledge on good ways to train them.
Oh, you mean, maybe sumpthin LIKE THIS?:
Date Oct 3 2005
Hi Jerry,
It is now 1:130 A.M. and I just finished reading your manual.
Of course I will need to read it many more times in order to
apply the techniques when I get a dog.
I found it even better than I thought it would be
and I had high expectations for it.
It is absolutely new , original, TOTALLY overdue for
the world to learn about to stop all the violence,
fear and abuse.
It is interesting how they have us in a SPELL (source
peoples emotional language legacy) and even with the
best of intentions while doing these awful techniques
that feel violent and inside the heart recoils from
doing them, there is the little voice that say's 'But
it is for the dog's good' and so I have to get tough
and not be a sissy and give in to the horror I am
seeing in the dog and feeling that in my moral compass
this feels wrong, and yet continue to betray myself
and the dog because all the "experts" who say they
love dogs ALL agree that I must do this and what do
I know, they say they love dogs they are "love covered
in fur" as Uncle Matty say's.
He loves dogs to say this so I must be too soft hearted
to recoil from what obviously is my duty toward the dog.
You really broke the spell for me.
It is ground breaking work and I am exited to absorb
it as in the first reading there are so many oh wow
moments that the exercises need to be studied at
another time as the impact of the first reading makes
it so mind altering that the emotional response of
FINALLY SOME SANITY is so strong that the details
of 'the how' to needs for me to be studied later many
times to internalize it so it is done correctly.
Thank you for the amazing manual.
Go jolly,
==========
Show Dog Bark Wrote:
Blue is doing fantastic. Thanks to his wonderful personality,
genetics and Jerry's help. I speak with Jerry a couple of times
a week about his progress and fine tuning his training. Blue
sits, heels, is totally toilet trained, comes, knows 'down', stay
and all kinds of things like 'lets go for a walk'.
He is pure joy and has made my heart glad and full of puppy love.
He loves walking in the forest trails and swimming in the cool and
refre****ng lake. His 'daddy' takes him for his final walk every evening
at 7 P.M. Then it is off to bed. He sleeps till 7 A.M.
It is nice to be able to sleep all night without getting up for a pee
pee a few times with him. In the first few weeks I had to take him
out at night, but now he is able to sleep all night. He is like a
tranquilizer.
I keep asking Jerry if Blue is a genius, as he is so clever and
obedient.
Her tells me this is the nature of a dog that has not been abused.
Blue is super good looking and so smart. He learned to sit weeks ago.
When he needs to go outside to relieve himself, he lets me know by
going to the door and woofing. One thing that I have noticed using
Jerry's methods is that Blue is very calm.
Most dogs are hyper and chew furniture and have bad habits. Blue
only plays with his toys. He knows the difference between his toys
and furniture and does not nip.
I was surprised that he does not want to go on the furniture. He likes
to play on the floor and outside. We sit outside together and he sits
by where I am reading. He may chew a toy or just hang out in the
shade. The whole town loves him and people are impressed with his
manners.
Show Dog Bark
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AND SUMPTHIN LIKE THIS?:
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: "TooCool" <larrym...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:56:16 GMT
Subject: Thinking Dogs
Using a proper training method, a method consonant with a dog's
nature, it is possible to enhance a dog's ability to think. If their
thinking faculty is not exercised and developed then dogs have a
tendency to bounce around, like a billiard ball, from one stimulus
to another.
But when a dog's thinking faculty is exercised and developed then
they enjoy using that faculty more and more. They begin to feel pride
in their accomplishments-you can observe their delight in the way
that they love to show off what they have learned.
As their thinking faculty develops you will begin to see them
improvise more and more, i.e., applying what they have learned
to new situations. Operant conditioning (clicker training) does
not exercise a dog's ability to think-it conditions a reflex like
reaction at the nervous system level.
If you desire to train a thinking dog, please read the Puppy Wizard's
Wits' End Training Method-it caters to the nature of our thinking dogs.
--Larry
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From: TooCool (larrym...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method
I have studied canine behavior and dog training for
years. I have a huge library that covers every system
of training.
The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training
Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced,
the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training
method yet discovered.
It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is
a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem
and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically
consistent manner.
Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to
understand the basis of his system and please follow
his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.
It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed
descriptions about why behavior problems occur and
how their solution should be approached.
One should not pick and choose from among his methods
based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is
not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system
for not only training a dog but for raising a loving companion.
When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for
you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it
produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.
You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle
with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you
praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you
will become the center of your dogs world, if you use
Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes
just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your
dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15
seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to
lie quietly and let me clip his nails).
Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction /
praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to
train you dog to respond to your commands.
What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old
puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would
carry him in response to my recall command-and he
comes running every time I call no matter where we are
or what he is doing.
At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon
his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and
his Family Pack Leader****p exercises.
Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you
scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him,
if you force him then his natural response is to oppose
you.
Is Jerry a nut?
It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not.
It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based
upon their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry
wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when
he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding or
hurting dogs.
More than that, he knows that force is not effective
and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems;
sometime problems so severe that people put their
dogs down because of those problems.
I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control
their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been
at our wits' end, haven't we?
Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific
literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs
respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind
to praise.
Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise.
You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will
dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate
along with their anxiety.
Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
Training Method as a scientific principle just as you
would the law of gravity and you will have astounding
success.
Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.
If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet
little Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little
gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?).
--Larry
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> I've had a two Shepherds and two Chiuahuahas both
> trained pretty well but am very open to any tips or advice.
Oh, you mean you had to repeat a "training" class for your second dog?
HERE'S HOWE COME:
Noted trainer and author LeeCharlesKelley:
>"LeeCharlesKelley" kelleymet...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> Puppy cl***** are, generally speaking, detrimental to the
>> learning process for both the puppy and the owner.
Leah:
> I'm speechless.
> And with this statement, any credibility you still had
> with me has been flushed down the toilet.
Okay, but if you're not still speechless, then explain why
more than 60% of Americans who take their dogs to a puppy
class re****t that the dog didn't learn anything and that
the experience was basically a waste of time and money?
LeeCharlesKelley
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From: "LeeCharlesKelley" <kelleymet...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:53:11 -0400
Subject: Re: Critical Socialization
> "LeeCharlesKelley" kelleymet...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> Okay, but if you're not still speechless, then explain why
> more than 60% of Americans who take their dogs to a puppy
> class re****t that the dog didn't learn anything and that
> the experience was basically a waste of time and money?
Leah:
> That one's easy. Because they didn't PRACTICE.
<snip>
> if they don't continue to use what they learned after
> class, of course the dogs are going to regress.
"Of course?" You have a pretty low opinion of a puppy's
ability to learn and remember, even though they do it all
the time with no repetitions and no regression.
Or just maybe they *didn't* regress. Maybe they didn't really
learn anything in class because the kind of training you use is
DETRIMENTAL TO THE LEARNING PROCESS, as I stated earlier.
If it were real learning then the dogs
wouldn't, "of course" regress, would they?
Maybe you remember the example I gave of a dog at the
dog run who instantly learned a new behavior WHILE PLAYING,
and never forgot it.
Or the example I gave about my dog learning the command,
"Up the stairs!", once, just once, and has never regressed
or forgotten the lesson.
He'll still do it every single time, eleven years after he
learned it. Hang on, I'm going to take him out in the hall
right now, where his expecation is to go DOWN the stairs,
not up, and I'm going to tell him, "Up the stairs!" to see
if he really does still remember it . . .
Yep, he went right up the stairs when I told him to, so nope,
he hasn't regressed. I wonder why that is.
But then, I forgot: you believe that learning can't take
place without repetition, so "of course" the puppy will
regress if the owner doesn't keep up with the lessons.
That's only natural, right? Wrong.
Maybe it's time to give credence to the idea that there's
another model of learning -- which comes naturally to all
animals -- and which doesn't require repetition or the
expectation that the learning will regress.
Just a thought . . .
From: "LeeCharlesKelley" <kelleymet...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:57:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Critical
>"LeeCharlesKelley" kelleymet...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> Yep, he went right up the stairs when I told him to, so nope,
> he hasn't regressed. I wonder why that is.
Leah
:> Duh. Because you USE the command regularly?
Who sez? I've gone years without using it at all.
And you're forgetting the fact that a day or two after I
taught him the command (inside the apartment building where
we lived at the time), I was walking Fred along a street on
the way to the park. I stopped in front of a brownstone, a
building we'd never been (and still haven't).
I gave him the command and he immediately obeyed it. The second
time in his life he heard it, he obeyed it, even though there was no
possible reason for him to do so, other than the fact that I told him
to.
Why?
I also taught him once, just once, not to cross a curb
without me. He hasn't forgotten that one either.
Why?
Leah:
> If the owner knows the method to stop the puppy from
> pulling on the leash, yet lets the puppy pull him all
> over the place, the puppy will not stop pulling on the
> leash.
> This is a no-brainer.
No, *this* is: If the puppy had actually been taught not
to pull on the leash, he would stop pulling on the leash.
I'm sure everyone here, if they thought about it, could
come up with their own examples (like the one I gave about
the dog learning a new behavior WHILE PLAYING in the dog
run) of dogs they've observed learning a new behavior once,
and never forgetting it.
It's the most natural form of learning there is.
But it requires that the dog be in a high-level emotional
state when the learning takes place, which is something
that *can't* be accomplished in a puppy class.
Puppy clases are, generally speaking, detrimental
to the learning process.
================
LeeCharlesKelley Wrote:
From what I've read of Jerry's method it incor****ates
a completely new model of learning, which is based
(in simplest terms) on the idea that all behavior is
the result of finding a way to relieve emotional tension.
This is true not just for dogs but all animals.
You don't believe in the validity of this particular model
of learning? You don't think it makes sense?
Fine, I guess.
But it makes total sense to me.
And it made sense to Pavlov, too,
though not many people know this.
"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement."
IOW, emotions, not outside rewards, are
what reinforces any behavior.
Finn once saw a small mouse come out of a hole
atthe base of a tree. Needless to say his prey
instinct kicked in BIG TIME and he chased it
back into the hole. This was 7 years before
he died. Up until the very last time he walked
through that section of the park (an hour before
he went) he checked the base of that tree.
He saw that mouse exactly *once*....he never
saw it again. Don't we all have stories like
that?
Especially those of us with dogs whose prey drives are pretty intense?
And there are lots of examples that may not
even require the prey drive to be active,
just a strong desire to do something: a dog
who wants to escape from the back yard will
learn how to do it once and never forget it,
a dog who wants to jump on the couch or the
bed doesn't need any repetitions to "reinforce"
or re-learn the behavior.
If something is im****tant to a dog, he'll
learn how to do it. Once he learns it, he
learns it. The trick to getting him to
"unlearn" it, is to give him a more
emotionally satisfying replacement behavior.
With Oscar and the cat, the more satisfying
behavior was relating to me instead of the cat.
(He's a Lab, with a strong need for social
connections, so that was pretty easy.)
I've been experimenting recently with Jerry
Howe's method of using a sound distraction,
then praising the dog, without any physical
contact, for 15 seconds.
My initial reaction to his technique was that
it was silly to keep praising the dog that long.
I mean, Jerry's a nut, right?
But in every case except one, when I've followed
the exercise exactly, I've seen a definite
physiological change take place in the dog -
- yawning or stretching have been the usual
indicators -- and after only a few repetitions,
the dog often relaxes, curls up, and goes to sleep!
I've tried this on barking, counter-surfing,
separation anxiety, even two dogs who live
together and fight constantly. I was pretty
amazed when I saw this little Boston give up
her aggression and start to yawn!
It's too early for me to be convinced that it
will work every single time with every single
dog, or that it will even have a lasting effect
on these dogs, but so far I think that it's
effective at reducing emotional tension, which,
as you know, I believe that all behavior comes
from the dog trying to find a way to reduce
emotional tension. If you give the dog a
replacement behavior that successfully reduces
emotional tension, the first behavior will no
longer be necessary and the dog will stop doing it.
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> Quick notes on both of them to give you an idea of what
> I am dealing with.
NOT NECESSARY, I KNOW what you're dealing with:
From: lucyaa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mon, May 23 2005 1:08 am
Email: lucyaa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Anyone else have an opinion?
I'm not a trainer and my experience is limited to my two dogs, so take
it for what it's worth. As someone who had to deal with a puppy who
had his own ideas about what was and what wasn't "proper behavior",
I was very happy to find The Amazing Puppy Wizard's dog training
method.
It is a method that is gentle to the dog, very easy to apply and it
has been working wonderfully with both my dogs, giving practically
instant results.
It was as if I had been given the "key" to understanding and
controlling my puppy's behavior: suddenly, he was listening
to me, doing what I was asking him to do, instead of constantly
opposing me.
It also worked with some issues my older dog had, too - her fear of
thunder, her barking and her aggression towards another female dog.
Don't let either the first impression about the "weirdness" of The
Amazing Puppy Wizard, or the regulars' negative opinion of him
(there's a long history behind it) deter you from at least reading
the manual and deciding for yourself if you want to try it or not.
I wish all the best to you and your dog.
Lucy
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"Ama...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
" wrote:
No, the dog learned that I would hold still the second she
began to pull. She would pull to go where *she* wanted.
Well if she wanted to stop and go in another direction...
say to sniff my neighbors yard.. she learned if she wanted
to do it I would stop walking and she could go.. and if there
wasn't enough slack on her lead she would just pull me.
Then when she got done doing *her* thing, she woudl heel..
smile at me and wait for me to say "let's go" and finish *my*
thing.
I would refuse to move .. i looked like an idiot.. freezing
mid walk for minutes waiting for *my* dog to heel and give
*me* permission to go again.
I did the treats and the let's go... she got to do her
stuff and get a cookie.. if she even wanted the cookie.
I wound up calling Jerry.. as I have a half red nose pit
and half amstaff.. who is incredibly protective.. we had
a new pup on the way.. and i needed help..
i followed petsmarts trainnign guides.. memorized them...
and they *did* work, don't get me wrong.. but only when my
pet wanted a cookie or felt the cookie was better than what
she wanted.. which was not often.
She quickly learned to ignore my commands if she could see
my hands were empty. So I called Jerry... he chatted me
for about an hour and a half.. gave me his link... and even
when i had probs intro'ing the pup he called me withn i5 mins
of my email for help at 10pm on a sunday night.
One.. singular.. uno family pack exercise after the hot
and cold exercise and i could zig zag down my street..
about face .. whatever.. and never had tension.
two men were acrossed the street and she walked right
by them... ordinarily she'd snarl and protect us.
And in two days.. my dog.. who bit the puppy if he even
looked like he was going near my husband or kids.. is
nursing him every hour.. cleaning him.. rough housing
gently.. and teaching him to go potty outside.. actually
watches him to make sure he doesn't go in the house...
and has milk.. which is awesome since she's 19 months old
and has never had a litter.
She also has stopped barking non stop at our neighbor's
dogs and pig.. does not bark at eveyr car that drives by
and has stopped jumping on people. she's even starting
to ignore our cat who has lived on her dome litter box
and our window sill (literally) for over a year and a half.
She also does her commands on cue..and doesn't look for a treat.
Amanda.
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Subject: PetsMart Puppy Playtime
Date: 2004-07-17 12:05:36 PST
From: "Larry"
To: "The Puppy Wizard" <thepuppywiz...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 2:48 PM
Subject: Kit rules PetsMart Puppy Playtime
Hello Jerry,
The experts say to take your puppy to puppy
cl***** to socialize them with other puppies.
Kit went to Puppy Playtime at PetsMart today.
I guess that I fail to see what Kit could learn
from those unruly puppies except perhaps some
bad behaviors.
Anyway he mostly lay there quietly and watched.
He wasn't scared or apprehensive and he didn't
mind approaching other dogs if they seemed willing.
But it was a mad house-a beagle sounding off, a
boxer jumping on everyone, a bull dog pu****ng his
way around, a Great Dane tripping over everyone,
a little pug barking and poor little Kit getting
trampled because he was so much smaller than
everyone else.
Once, he got a bit defensive and snarled and yipped
when this one bigger terrier kept picking on him
(scratching him hard).
Several people commented to me how calm Kit
seemed to be. They wondered if it were a breed
characteristic.
I told them that it was my training method, but
most of them seemed to just get that look in
their eye that says "Yea, yea".
But this one lady seemed interested so I referred
her to your web site. She had a rescued dog which
she held in her arms and it would snap at other
dogs when she gave them any attention.
She would immediately grab her little dog's muzzle
and squeeze it tightly. She finally confided in me
that it did the same to her husband and to her 25lb
cat.
I told her that it was going to get worse and
worse if she didn't address it immediately.
I know that carrying that dog around like she
does and tucking him tight under her arm
when another dog approaches is exasperating
her dog's behavior. I told her so. She said that
she would immediately go to doggydoright.com.
I hope she does.
--Larry
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> Female German Shepherd :
> Taught her how to sit and go up / down stairs.
> She taught herself to climb extremely well.
> Affectionate, playful.
> Shes starting to understand her name lately.
That's curiHOWES. Dogs learn their names nearly instantly.
My method teaches the owner HOWE to install the come
command as a 100% CONSISTENTLY RELIABLE Pavlovian
conditional reflex in just a couple of minutes.
LIKE THIS:
> ballzde...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> Well I am happy to reply that so far after 10
> minutes of work and the cans from mr Howes guide,
You mean The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW
Wits' End Training Method Manual <{); ~ ) >
> I have instilled the "come" command to Riley.
Good. You mean INSTALLED the come command
as a conditional reflex. Be SHORE to perform the
EXXXORCISES four times in each of four locations.
> He is an extremley smart dog, I have never had
> to go to the third or fourth try.
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SEE?
AND LIKE THIS:
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: dog aggression - Today Seemed Like
A Miracle - WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING!
Sun****ne is still acting like a new dog! Saw a dog
today and "good boy-" worked along with calling him-
came the first time every time. Not even a sound out
of him. Think it is hard for him but he never even
seemed to think about going off-reacting. I would
love to write a testimonial but can not seem to find
the site--please send the address--
The name of the method was right I was at my Wits
End. I had been working for 18 months!
Using the can sound three time he came, and still
comes from anywhere with the command-
"comegoodboy" Next I tried the can when walking
him--when he saw a dog three blocks away he went
off-lunging and snapping-I used the can sound and
he looked at me like uhn?
I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
-the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
looked at me like why are shaking that can but just
walked on by.
When ever I try to explain about the sound people
look at me like "you must be out of your mind"
The results can make a believer!!!
Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training
Manual program I walked him without the gentle
leader in a busy shopping area with many dogs.
He just seemed to not notice any one.
When people talked to him or ask his name he would
look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.
I still can not believe the change in him-
-we can now enjoy life out in public.
If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone
Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his
toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.
The word come has no affect on him just the phrase-
-Sun****ne come goodboy.
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SEE?
AND LIKE THIS:
Hi, Jerry.
I'm not sure that I'm a 100% convert, or that I agree
with (or even understand) 100% of what you say in this
manual ... BUT ... we had "come" down pat in a few
reps and you could have knocked me down when I tried
the exercise with "drop" and, after a few reps in
different spots Darwin practically *threw* the rubber
ball at my feet on command. He's still not perfect
(just a pup, after all, and he's stubborn enough to
want to push and test me a little bit more).
For what it's worth, I can see (as no doubt you have)
how your usenet manner is likely to rankle a few
folks, but that woman who advocates ear pulling and
beating with sticks deserves everything she gets. Even
if that was the only method that would work, I'd live
with my dog not fetching rather than do any of that.
(Darwin fetches enthusiastically and instinctively,
tho').
Best, ben
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SEE?
AND LIKE THIS:
From: "BarbnBeau" <bdea...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:52:30 -0500
Re: Puppy Wizard's Website
Hi Buzzsaw
Not a Thing to lose ...But a Lot To Gain!!
I can only speak from my experience.. I have a 8 month
old miniature poodle, and although I had done some basic
training with him we had a few barking issues ..ugh
I am happy to tell you, I contacted Jerry at the email
addy I posted and he was so great! I wasn't following
the technique precisely but he helped me get back on track.
Beau is doing sooooo well it is really a thrill working
with him, and seeing the remarkable changes.
Now I can ask for "recall" (come) both on and off lead
and it is immediate!
the first time I ask.
Best of Luck to you,
Remember if you need help or explanation contact Jerry ..
he will be more than happy to help anyway he can.
Cheers
Barb
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SEE?
AND LIKE THIS:
"Greg M. Silverman" <gmsNOS...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
Hey, Mr. Wizard, or Alchemist or whatever your alias
of the day is, have to say that our dog heels much
better than she did. This is after reading and
implementing the bit in your "Wits End" treatise.
And she's a royal nutter (but then again, aren't they all?).
Cheers! Greg--
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SEE?
AND LIKE THIS:
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:06 AM
Hello.
I never posted here (or anywhere) before. I
never trained or owned a dog before this year.
I downloaded the Wit's End, read it, corresponded
with Mr. Howe and trained my dog to come and to
stop barking in a weekend.
Our dog, Jake, had been treated with kindness the
whole time we had him, about 10 months, but his
earlier life is unknown.
I worked on the hot-cold exercise for about 30
minutes when he suddenly "got it". After that
he came to me every time with no hesitation.
I used the cans filled with pennies to teach him
not to bark. If he now starts to bark, I go to the
door or window, say "Good Boy, its' alright" and
he usually calms down right away.
A couple of times I had to get the cans
out again to reinforce the behavior.
We feel a strong bond with this animal
and he isvery eager to accept our love.
So with all the vitriolic spewing going on,
I have to believe Mr. Howe is right.
His method worked for us.
I don't know if it would have been quite
as effective if we had tried another method first.
Florence
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AND LIKE THIS:
"Leprechaun" <Leprech...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> Jerry believes he's a dog trainer.
Fortunately, I happen to believe he is too.
I took a rescued three year old beagle that
had been kept outside all of its life that didn't
even recognize or respond to its name to
Jerry's home (That ugly cinder block shack???
get real) and in just over one hour of working
with the dog, he was coming on command
(not a quickly as he does now, but still...) and
walking with us on a loose lead.
His "hot/cold" exercise and "come when called"
command and pack exercise WORK!
> and in all likelihood he's never even been near a dog.
Well, he's been near mine, and done wonders for him.
You don't have to like him. You don't have
to agree with his methods, but as far as I
am concerned, I've never seen any other
training approach that was as fast and easy.
<<<< Rest of original post deleted >>>>
Ron Flanagan
Orlando, Florida
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SEE?
AND LIKE THIS:
"Hennie van Dalen" <h.vandalen11***removethis...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote in message news:TlsCb.2895$7U1.7896@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
is age-old computer lingo.... It stands for "Read The
F***ing Manual" ;-) I used the manual and it works very good!
But it is a long text to read (76 pages printed on A4-size
paper) My lab is 1year old now, and teaching him something
new takes about 30minutes (depending on what to teach offcourse)
My other dog (a 7year old stafford****re terrier-mix) is a bit
slower in learning, but he is used to me calling him a "bad
dog"whenever he did something i didn't want him to do, or
it might be the age.
Sometimes it looks like Sam (the lab) WANTS to learn
something new: he wants me to bring along the can
filled with washers whenever we go for a walk. It is a
very "humane" way of teaching: the dog is allways a
"good dog", and never a "bad dog"
There is nu punishment or prong-collars involved.
For a fact i tought him to heel in 15min's without
beeing on a leach at-all !!! When he spotted a dog,
he used to run towards it, but now i tought him to "ask
permission" first, and to my surprise it worked!
My dogs never went to puppy-training (lucky for them),
maybe this helped too.
Manual can be found at http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html
-- Hennie van Dalen www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11
www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fotografie/doggy-pictures/
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AND LIKE THIS:
"Paul B" <some...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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When I trained both my dogs to "heel" or walk close
to me I ended up going to the parks and teaching
them without a lead at all, that ensured I had to use
good communication and was unable to be tempted
to use the lead to correct them.
Another part of the training I agree with is not using
the "policeman" approach, where you tell a dog "no"
or react with it in such a way that you become involved
in the behaviour (by trying to stop it), this approach
often results in a dog ceasing the behaviour when you
are about but doing it when you aren't (bin raiding,
counter surfing etc).
Basically you are taught to make your dog a good
friend who likes and wants to work for you for the
pleasure of working for you (setting the hierarchy
is included in this), teach it to recall reliably,
then to do everything else (sit, stay down etc etc).
Unwanted behaviours are addressed as they occur.
If you understand what you are trying to achieve and
are prepared to work with it you can get great results.
Paul
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SEE?
AND LIKE THIS:
Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me!
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:33:36 -0500
Message-ID: uim43blqq1h...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I gotta speak up here... We've been using
Jerry's methods with our dog. We had the same
problem as the original poster has with Buzz.
One day working with the family pack exercise
and practicing the recall command with the family
and she'll now go out with hubby and daughter
instead of needing me to reassure her or even
refusing to go with anyone but me.
I really urge you, regardless of the negative
things you might hear about Jerry & Wits'
End here, to try the method and *judge the
results for yourself*.
Let's see what other areas she's improved in...
always comes when called, not chewing stuff
even if we leave it laying around, "re" housebroken
after long shelter stay, walks perfectly on leash,
doesn't try to steal food from our plates or beg...
probably a few more things I'm forgetting to mention.
*(Yeah, the kats lay off the koi and don't wander. jh).
That's in about a week's time.
Her overall demeanor has changed. When
we brought her home she was very untrusting
and ultra-submissive (except with her area/toys
where she was possessive and nippy).
She had been abused and beaten by previous
owners, then she was in a shelter for months.
They (most of them) wanted to give up and kill
her.
Now she's gained confidenceand trust with us.
Last night was another big breakthrough
(in my eyes). She barked! Big deal, she
barked just once when she heard the front
door. Great!
Anyway, you'll be told lots of nasty stuff about
Jerry or that the Wits' End manual is culled
from other sources. In my opinion, even if it
is, it takes only the good stuff and leaves
out the bad.
Works for me.
(And I suppose I gotta say this... I don't know
Jerry personally. I've emailed him and instant
messaged him. I have not bought a "Doggy
Do Right". He's offered help for free.)
M.
--
Ms. Mick Owen Crneckiy
http://www.crneckiy.com
& http://tarot.crneckiy.com
E-mail & MSN Messenger: m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
& Yahoo!: MickCrneckiy ~ ICQ: 72461227
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I could give you a few dozen more POSTED CASE
HISTORIES of folks who've learned how to install
the come command as a conditional reflex in just a
few minutes using EFFECTIVE NON PHYSICAL
SCIENTIFIC Pavlovian and Ericksonian CONditioning,
but it'd maybe appear that I was actin like a RAPED
APE jumpin all over you, so I won't <{}: ~ ) >
> Male Rottweiler :
> Playful
> Taught him how to go up / down stairs.
> Isn't very affectionate, would rather teeth on my hand rather then
> lick/kiss me.
That's GOOD~! MHOWETHING is a BONDING behavior;
"kissing / licking" is a SUBMISSIVE / anXXXIHOWESNESS
behavior. You can EXXXTINGUISH MHOWETHING NEARLY
INSTANTLY simply by DOIN EVERY THING EXXXACTLY
OPPOSITE of HOWE the self professed dog lovers and professional
trainers here, recommend:
tommy sorensen a.k.a. not so handsome, not so happy,
not so gentle, not so manly, jackass, not even jack
morrison aka joey finnochiarrio aka howie lip****z aka
BIG DADDY aka DOGMAN, a.k.a. *****MAN,
the pathetic miserable stinkin anonymHOWES rotten
lyin malignant maliciHOWES dog child an spHOWES
abusing punk thug coward active accute chronic life
long incurable mental case and paranoid homophobe,
misogynist, puppy miller and shock collar salesman
*(who AIN'T tommy sorensen of sorensen's Retrievers) sez:
"IMO, the *fastest* way to curb a mouthy puppy's
desire to bite hands (especially if other methods
have failed, because you don't want this habit to
become reinforced by too much success), etc., is
to take advantage of the pup's gag reflex:
Slowly reach over and around the pup's shoulder
(while you're sitting on the floor), coming up to
the pup's mouth from underneath it with your
right hand (that way he can't see your finger or
your hand), and stick your index finger into the
pup's mouth, at the very rear, then down the
pup's throat, and gently place some downward
pressure on the back of the tongue, until he starts
to gag. Use your left arm to hold him close to you,
while you're doing this.
Trust me, it's easier to demonstrate this technique
than to explain it, but it's fail-proof.
He'll quickly put 2 and 2 together. Biting hands = gag.
--
Handsome Jack Morrison
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> Growls when someone touches him while he is eating.
Dogs grHOWEL when they're AFRAID and MISTRUSTFUL.
> Personally he will growl at me during this time but stops and
> doesnt try to bite me. Was told if he does go to snap on me to
> put my fingers behind his front bottom teeth and to put a little
> pressure and tell him no.
That's gonna teach IT to TRUST and NOT FEAR you, dvalente4?
LIKE THIS?:
"Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
stern correction" --Janet Boss
Here's janet's CUSTOME MADE pronged spiked pinch choke collar:
http://tinyurl.com/5m6ppt
"J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:20040324071828.07753.00000001@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
He was next to me and I could see his neck
muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
Janet Boss
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> "J1Boss" <j1b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:20040323173916.10096.00001938@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > dog like a Lab.
An INSENSITIVE DOG???
> > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> > I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.
Do you think the citronella collar is CRUEL
cause the SMELL LINGERS after the dog's
been sprayed in the face and the dog won't
know HOWE COME IT was MACED?
janet CONtinues:
> > My dogs are not human children wearing fur- they are DOGS.
> > I don't have anything against electronic bark collars, but they
> > should be used in conjunction with actually working at training
> > your dog(s).
They're DUMB ANIMALS these MENTALLY ILL LYING
DOG ABUSERS HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER.
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LIKE THIS:
tommy sez:
At no time do the Monks *ever* advocate beating a
dog. A swat on the rump or a check to the chin does
*not* constitute a "beating."
And then he sez:
"I don't know how big you are, kiddo, so this may
not be as easy for you as it is for me, but use
a little "knee action," that is, as the dog goes
charging by you, just give the dog a little bop
with your knee and ****n. Yep, really lean into it.
Even knock her over, if you can, but make sure to
make her think twice about ru****ng past you again -
- which is exactly what you want her to do.
Don't bother with scolding her, she'll get the message.
If it happens again, just REPEAT the knee action.
When she steps on your toes, just pick up your foot
abruptly and ****ge her with your knee. Again, no
scolding is necessary here, so you don't have to
worry about her "over-reacting."
I don't think this is necessarily a lack of respect
for you, just a lack of training. That is, she just
needs *more* of it."
> Beginning to understand his name, but is catching on slowly.
INDEED?
> Overall, I could use any tips or advice you'd like to share,
> especially with these type of gender/bread dogs.
I've currently got two same age littermate Rottweiler females
and a German Shepherd and a Pit Bull X although my breed
preferences are Great Danes and English Mastiffs <{}: ~ ) >
> They are currently on pee pads now, due to being pups and
> not being able to control there bladder for another 1-2 months.
That AIN'T true. HOWEsbreakin is INSTINCTIVE at four weeks
of age and at 9 weeks they can CON-TRAIN themselves all night
or all day if necessary. HOWEver, I'd recommend usin NEWSPAPERS
instead of the "pee pads" just so's the puppys can RELAXXX, knowin
there's an approved toilet facility handy when they prefer.
The self-professed EXXXPERTS will advise you NOT to use
newspapers or "pee pads" and to LOCK YOUR DOGS IN A
BOX and walk them every HOWER till they're HOWEsbroken.
THAT will teach your puppys their HOWES is their CRATE and
YOUR HOWES is their terrortory to FHOWE and will disavail
you an them of TRAINING OP****TUNITIES and will CONdition
the pups to NEED to relieve themselves every HOWER.
> Anyone have any ways or advice on starting to teach them to
> go outside? The only thing I have done with my previous dogs
> was taking their pee pads and putting them outside frequently to
> let them smell them, and 3 out of the 4 previous dogs caught on
> and would scratch at my back door to go outside as they grew up.
Why Do You Reward The Dog For Being Bad?
Was:
Punish Dogs Children SP-HOWESESWith PRAISE,
Unconditional LOVE, TRUST, And RESPECT
<{) ; - ) >
Always praise the dog to show him that you affectionally
sup****t or love him. Praising the dog has nothing to do
with what he has just done, it has to do with your
relation****p with him.
"Good dog" means "I love you, dog".
If the dog is anxious, then you make certain that he
knows that he is in a safe and trusting environment.
You praise and admire him.
Correction is the opposite signal, you are my enemy,
and this results, quite naturally, in the dog behaving
aggresively - why not, you've declared that you are his
enemy.
Why does paradoxical reward work?
The dog defecates on the floor. You come up and say
"Good Dog" you love and praise him.
THE DOG KNOWS YOU LOVE HIM.
The dog defecates on the floor because he is anxious.
No wild wolf, jackal, or coyote defecates in his den.
If he defecates in his den its because a bear is outside
trying to get in and eat him.
The dog knows that it is stupid to
defecate where he eats or sleeps.
Don't you?
If the dog feels safe he'll behave as if he
is safe, no pooping on the living room floor.
Almost all maladaptive behavior is due to fear, anxiety,
expectation of disaster. Correct the situation, and the
dog behaves fluently like a ..... Dog!
Punishment deranges behavior, it is never never never appropriate.
Love the dog.
Praise is never punishment, praise is like giving a
piece of steak. If you give a piece of steak to a dog
after he defecates on the floor he'll stop defecating
on the floor.
Fondly, Dr. Von
----------------
A. S. Neill, The Famous Founder of The Summerhill
School, Used To Cure Delinquent Children Way Back
In The 1950's By Paying Them For Every Time They
Wet The Bed Or Broke A Pane Of Glass And Their
Behaviour Would Stop, - As If By MAGICK!
The Embry Study:
"While some may find it strange that reprimands
might increase the chances of a child going into
the street, the literature on the experimental analysis
of behavior is replete with examples of how "attention
to inappropriate behavior" increases the chances of
more inappropriate behavior.
Thus, suggestions to parents that they talk to or reason
with their children about da****ng into the street will
likely to have the opposite impact.
Reprimands do not punish unsafe behavior; they reward it."
Source:
"Reducing the Risk of Pedestrian Accidents to
Preschoolers by Parent Training and Symbolic
Modeling for Children: An Experimental Analysis
in the Natural Environment. Research Re****t
Number 2 of the Safe-Playing Project."
> Anyone have any more advice?
As time permits I'll CITE the POSTED CASE HISTORIES
of the PATHETIC MISERABLE STINKIN ROTTEN LYIN
ANIMAL MURDERIN MENTAL CASES who've offered
you their PROFESSIONAL "advice" <{}: ~ ( >
> I live in a split level home, with an upper and lower
> deck fenced in yard. If that would help.
That's IRELEVENT. You can TRAIN your dogs to know
the PERIMETER of your pupperty train them to go to an
aproved relief area OFF LEASH with NO fence and return
in two minutes, IF you study and follHOWE my INSTRUCTIONS, precisely.
> Very appreciate and thankful for the advice.!
INDEED?
The Methods, Principles And Philosophy Of Behavior
Never Change,
Or They'd Not Be Scientific
And Could Not Obtain
Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective, Safe Results
For All Handler's And All Critters,
And ALL Behaviors
In ALL FIELDS And ALL UTILITIES,
ALL OVER The Whole Wild World,
NEARLY INSTANTLY,
As Taught In Your Own FREE Copy Of
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
*M-A-J-E-S-T-I-C* *G-R-A-N-D* *M-A-S-T-E-R*
Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey
SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
***FREE***
WWW Wits' End Dog, Child, Kat, Goat, Ferret, Monkey
SpHOWES And Horsey
Training Method Manual<{)'; ~ )>
> Hope you all have a great summer.
LikeWIZE <{}: ~ ) >
"The day may come when the rest of the animal creation
may acquire those rights
which never could have been withholden from them
but by the hand of tyranny.
The question is not can they REASON,
nor can they TALK,
but can they SUFFER?" -
- Jeremy Bentham
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised
for the good of its victims,
may be the most oppressive.
Those who torment us for our own good
will torment us without end,
for they do so with the approval of
their own conscience." -
- C.S. Lewis.
"Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny",
Aeschylus (525BC-456BC),
Agamemnon.
All truth p***** through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
-Arthur Schopenhauer
"Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
even tho it's a hopeless task,
in this system of things.
As long as man is ruling man,
there will be animals (and humans!)
abused and neglected. :-(
Your student," Juanita.
"If you've got them by the balls
their hearts and minds
will follow,"
John Wayne.
"Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens!"
"Against stupidity the Gods themselves contend in vain!"
-Friedrich Schiller.
INDEEDY.
AND THAT'S HOWE COME THEY GOT ME NHOWE!
In Love And Light,
I Remain Respectfully, Humbly Yours,
The World's CRUELEST Trainer
Jerry Howe,
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
*M-A-J-E-S-T-I-C* *G-R-A-N-D* *M-A-S-T-E-R*
Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Ferret, Goat, Monkey
SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard <{) ';~ ) >
HOWE MAY I SERVE YOU <{}; ~ ) >
Sincerely,
Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
Human And Animal Behavior
Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory,
BIOSOUND Scientific,
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St
Orlando, FL 32805
Phone: 1-407-425-5092 (Call ANY TIME)
http://www.freewebs.com/thesimplyamazingpuppywizard
E-mail:
Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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,-._,-,
V)"(V
(_o_) Have a great day!
/ V)
(l l l) Your Puppy Wizard. <{}' ; ~ } >
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