"the 2nd coming of christ" <jesucristo2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> >>On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 17:36:30 -0400, dh@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> >>>>> Then just say whether you suck up to the beast or you deny
> >>>>>his existence.
>
> I'll suck up to the Beast any day before I suck up to any false
> Christ-image manufactured for the purpose of manipulating the
> m*****.
>
> >>>>i don't know what beast you are referring to here. i only believe
> >>>>in myself and the beast within myself, not in any cartoon
> >>>>character fabricated by the christians.
> >>>
> >>> At this point my impression is that the concept of Lucifer (or
> >>>what/who ever) is included in the Old Testament, and that is
> >>>what/who is Satan. That means the idea was around long
> >>>before Christianity.
>
> One has to question the validity of any Christian interpretation
> as ****trayed in an English translation of the Old Testament. The
> Hebrew language is very complex and where the word Satan appears
> in a Christian bible, there more than likely are a number of
> possible meanings associated with the actual Hebrew word in
> question that are not being properly understood. One cannot go to
> a Christian translation of Hebrew writing and expect that it is
> going to be a valid representation of what those Hebrew authors
> were trying to convey.
>
> > Christ changed things, and unless you accept what he
> >changed there will be things you could never understand.
> >Of course even if you accept them you'll never be able to
> >understand everything, but you would still be a lot better off
> >than you are now if it's all for real. If it's all just bull**** then
> >it makes no difference what anyone thinks.
>
> To me Christ is just a myth. When a myth is brought from the realm
Well, if you write the year 2007 on your checks, that is how many years
since Christ was born.
In ancient times, the reign of a king or pharaoh was noted by how many
years
he reigned. For example, in Ancient Egypt it might be the 3rd year of
Ramesses III. That means the earth revolved around the sun three times
since
Ramesses III became king. When Ramesses III died, the date would then
become
the first year of the new pharaoh, Ramesses VI.
http://www.touregypt.net/kings.htm
In pagan Roman times the same sort of king calendar was kept. When one
emperor
Many of the pagan Roman kings (emperor) were terrible tyrants. Jews and
Christians back then often called the pagan emperors beasts, but they had
to
do so quietly for fear of being killed by Roman guards. But the pagan
emperors would kill Jews and Christians anyway, even if they didnt do
anything.
In fact, when the Book of Revelation was written, specific mention of Nero
Caesar being a beast was made when it spoke of Nero Caesar as the 666
beast
using the old Hebrew number-letter writing style. Since that time, the
number 666 is sometimes seen as bad luck, but it actually is not. It just
happened to be the number-letters for Nero's name. 666 is the Hebrew
number
style for the specific person Nero Caesar who committed all kinds of
violent
beast like acts that only wild animals engaged in. Most of what Nero did
was
forbidden by Judeo-Christianity. The murders, the rapes, the stealing, the
child molestations, etc are all banned under the Ten Commandments. These
things were legal though, in the pagan Roman empire.
By understanding the number 666 was used to denote a specific beast-like
person who was Nero Caesar, we can see the Book of Revelation was actually
promoting no superstition at all. It merely described Nero Caesar, without
using his name, who was violent and murderous "like a beast".
See the website "The Bible's Book of Revelation applied to 2,000 years
ago,
not today"
http://fortresscastles.bravepages.com/sup/rev.html
> of the allegorical into the realm of the literal it loses its
> significance and true im****t. Everything that is known as
> Christianity today is absolute bull**** and has no
> transformational value for humans per say. Humans may accept the
> historical (false) Christ and achieve some seeming transformation
> but this is due to their desire to change in the first place, and
> not from any external influence associated with belief in a
> literal Christ. If those people applied the same amount of effort
> into trying to understand the mythical (true) Christ, any
> spiritual advancement would be magnified for it would no longer be
> an internal process but an actual external phenomena being
> triggered by meditation upon the true meaning of said myth.
>
> >>Judaism and Christianity are totally different
> >>religions with different philosophical outlooks on life and the
> >>world. Most im****tantly, the Jews do not accept Christ as the
> >>Messiah, so according to Christians, that stance is itself
> >>Satanic.
> >
> > We have no reason to believe the Jews are right.
>
> We have every reason to listen to and trust in what any Jew says
> of his own religion and own ancient writings much more than what a
> Christian thinks of those same Hebrew writings. If a Jew says that
> Christ is not the messiah, then that should be a settled issue and
> there is absolutely no point in trying to tell a Jew what his
> religion should be or shouldn't. The arrogance of Christians to
> take a religion and turn it on its head is of a magnitude that
> cannot be measured and has contributed more to the persecution of
> Jews than anything else in the last two millennia. The True God
> (if there is such a thing) will one day avenge the inhumane
> persecution of the Jewish people by arrogant and ignorant
> Christians who persist in misinterpreting Holy Scripture and
> mythological teachings.
>
> >The persecution etc they must bear as a people is evidence of
> >where they are on that, if it's all for real.
>
> It shows that ignorance and evil knows no bounds.
>
> > The only Jew I
> >discussed it with in person doesn't believe in any afterlife,
>
> God bless him.
>
> >or in Satan. When I asked why bother praying and all that
> >then, he acted like it was for this life only. However, the
> >OT does mention resurrection:
>
> Nor you nor any other Christian knows more than a Jew about his
> own ancient writings or about his own religion.
>
> [bull**** biblical quotations snipped]
>
> >>>>any brand of satanism will be better than the
> >>>>worst brand of christianity.
> >>>
> >>> Can you provide examples?
>
> Satanists don't go around distorting other people's religions and
> persecuting said people for millennia based on lies and hatred;
> thus by default the worst Satanist will be more respectful and
> humane than even the best Christian with the seeming best of
> intentions.
>
> octinomos
>
> --
>
> ``Could it be that ... political theater is being staged, very much like
the wrestling matches on TV, with the so-called neoconservatives and their
so-called enemies, such as Pat Buchanan, loudly making public statements
intended to convince the opponents of US foreign policy actions that these
actions are the fault of 'the Jews'?'' --Jared Israel/Emperor's Clothes
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