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"Curtis Smallboner" <curtis_smallboner@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Tamara in TN wrote:
>> Curtis Smallboner wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > When the horse has trained for a year, the trainer puts them in
the
>> > bridle, called broken shanks snapple,
>>
>> ummmm "snapple" is a nasty little drink..."snaffles" are bits
>> horses are ridden in
>>
>> Tamara in TN
>
> No ****.
>
> Clearly Troy Mangum isn't much of a horse trainer.
>
>
> -
> Horse Trainer Bob Logan
>
> By: Julia Campbell
>
>
> http://www.hvjournal.com/articles.php?id=1047
>
>
> As my husband, Rod, and I watched Bob Logan train his horse at the
> Wa****ngton County Regional Park in Hurricane, we were very impressed
> with the knowledge, expertise and intuitiveness he has with horses.
> Logan's horse is being trained to go to the Reining Futurity World
> Cup in December, 1999, which will be held in Oklahoma City, OK. He
> says his horse is the most talented horse he has ever ridden in his
> life. The horse is named Doc Royal Mahagony, after both his father and
>
> mother, but they call him Roanie: Roanie, the good pony. Roanie's
> father comes from a line of world champion cutting horses, and his
> mother comes from champion cutting horses. Roanie is a beautiful,
> eye-catching horse.
>
>
> Logan said, "Roanie was trained all last summer, and just turned
> three in January. He's a very hot blooded horse, so I started
> working Roanie slow, using a lot of gentleness and quietness. Roanie
> can get very fast and speedy and turn around quick."
>
>
> Right now, Logan and his other trainers are working with three
> horses that age, which they are preparing to go to the circuits
> throughout the '99 season, and then some two-year-old horses being
> prepared for the year after.
>
>
> Logan showed us some of the reining pattern they do while training
> their horses. He doesn't talk a lot while riding, because it
> desensitizes the horse's ability to recognize the command to stop.
> The reining pattern consists of loping in circles and changing leads.
> He did the left hand lead and then the right hand lead. Then he took
>
> off the bridle and guided Roanie through the reining pattern. Roanie
> responded through leg cues and voice commands, and they are also taught
>
> to respond to very light hand movements. The Trainers don't move
> their hands more than half an inch when they turn the horses around and
>
> make them lope. Roanie was able to follow very well. Logan keeps
> Roanie under control with his movements, making him lope very slowly.
>
>
> When Logan finished training Roanie for the day, Rod and I walked
> with him back to the stalls while he led his horse and talked about
> Roanie and the other horses. "There are probably not too
> many horses in the United States with his talent," Logan said.
> "Roanie has accepted it real well. We don't always turn the horse
> loose with the reins, because he would lose some of its form. Roanie
> is almost too sensitive to leg cues. He feels them too much, probably
> his biggest weakness, but we have a year to train him. Roanie will
> compete for $100,000 plus trailers, saddles, trucks, etc. I usually
> send horses out to someone else and let them go; however, Roanie was
> supposed to be a paint horse, but he didn't get any spots, so a lot
> of people don't want to take a chance on a horse like that. I'm
> taking a chance. I've had a lot of guys call me and want me to drop
> prices so they can take him, but I'll just train him. I'll take
> him to the circuit. I believe this horse can win it. I need to take
> the talent God has given me and do something with it and see what I can
>
> do to bless Roanie's life. This is a very intelligent horse."
> Logan continued to explain more about how horses are trained.
> Reining horses learn to cross their legs over in front. A horse
> like Roanie gets a lot of speed, then starts crossing over very fast
> and bangs his knees. The horses wear protective boots to protect their
>
> legs from getting hurt.
>
>
> The trainer rides in a reining horse saddle and teaches his horse
> to respond to very light hand movements and to the trainer's legs.
> It takes about six to eight months even to get the horse started in
> that direction. They get even better after that.
>
>
> When the horse has trained for a year, the trainer puts them in the
>
> bridle, called broken shanks snapple, and then teaches the horse to
> respond to even lighter movements and to listen to them.
>
>
> Logan explained the interaction between trainer and horse: "You
> really have to communicate with the horse you are training. The
> interesting things that are going around now are 'The Horse
> Whisper.' We don't whisper to horses, but we do listen to them.
> Right now, Roanie is saying, 'Scratch me and pet me and tell me I did
> okay; I want to be your friend.' By those actions that he just did
> by moving his head, he told me certain things he wanted done. I know
> him and I know his actions. Instead of whispering, which about the
> only whisper we do to horses is to say 'Whoa.' We can scold them
> like we do our children. We use a growl like we do our sheep dogs or
> we can say no, or whatever we want. Again they hear us. Too many
> words are too confusing to them. We communicate with these horses by
> looking at them, we don't stare them in the eye until they're
> comfortable with us. We communicate with our hands and legs. Not all
> horses want to be communicated with in the beginning, but as they get
> comfortable with the trainer being their friend, then they get used to
> us communicating with our hands, with our legs, and the seat of our
> britches when we sit down. I asked Roanie to go faster by getting up
> in the saddle, then I sit down and relax my legs and Roanie went down
> into a little tiny comfortable pleasure like lope. We watch their
> faces, their head, their ears, and they tell us certain things. He's
> telling me right here, he would like to go somewhere, probably to bed
> or to his stall. They'll tell us when they accept something in
> training, when something bothers them. We have to listen to them.
> They will talk to us."
>
>
> Logan said that they keep about ten or twelve horses in training
> all the time. Some are in training to become Western pleasure horses.
> Some are in training for reining horses. They can start horses in
> cutting also. One horse Logan pointed out to us is a pleasure horse
> belonging to a woman who works in our area. Logan called the horse,
> "a stallion that is one of the top halter stallions in the United
> States." Another horse, from Chicago, IL, is training as a reining
> horse for the following year; another horse belongs to a woman in Las
> Vegas; and another one belongs to a man in Reno. A variety of people
> want their horses trained for different reasons, but most of them are
> being trained for reining, cutting, pleasure, or sometimes just to be
> started right so they can go into different events. By being started
> right, a horse has a better chance of winning later on.
>
>
> Logan explained, "The horse tells me where they are going, what
> they need to be trained for. Horses share their talents and abilities
> just like people. They develop their own style and their own way of
> moving. I just ride them and take what they have in their ability and
> make it even better."
>
>
> How did Logan get into training horses? When he was very young,
> he was a sheep herder for a large ranch in Colorado. He grew up
> working ranches around them. His family moved to California, and Logan
>
> went to work for one of the largest horse ranches in the United States,
>
> training show halter horses and pleasure horses. He rode horses for
> about 17 years, showing reining horses, cutting horses, and Western
> pleasure horses throughout the Midwest, and southern Texas.
>
>
> Then Logan decided his family was more im****tant. He joined the
> LDS Church, and started a whole new way of life. He learned that
> kindness and gentleness was the way to train a horse. He quit the
> horse business and went to work for a large cor****ation. He stayed
> away from horses and all horse people for awhile to spend more time
> with his family.
>
>
> Later on, Logan's wife bought a wild mustang for the purpose of
> Logan teaching their sons how to train horses. That got him back into
> the horse business, riding his own horses and training them. Logan
> said, "I train horses a lot different than I did years ago. I am
> more patient with my horses, and listen to them. They tell me what
> they can and can't do. I ask them to do certain new things each day.
> Most of the time, they tell me they'll try, but might not be able to
> do it today. But in about three days, they usually can do a new
> trick."
>
>
> He believes his horses learn faster now than before. He explained;
>
> "A horse needs discipline, but if you scare a horse, you're way
> behind. If you hurt a horse, you're way behind, and there are some
> horses that can hurt you. There is a more pleasant and happier way.
> The other day a lady came by and commented, 'I like the way your
> horses move. Their ears are forward. They look happy at what they are
>
> doing.' That's because we are building confidence in them. We
> teach them something. Then we teach them again and again the same way
> every day.
>
>
> "It's like training your children. You have to push them out
> on the ball fields and the pitching mound and say, 'I know you can do
> it.' And they will say, 'but I did lousy today' and you say,
> 'but I know you can do it the next time.' It's the same way with
> our horses. We teach them a new maneuver like I did today, asking
> Roanie to lope down into a slow circle, which is hard for a horse to
> slow down in that little lope and relax with you on top of him because
> he is trying to find his balance. You say, 'You can do it. Let me
> show you how.' You guide him, you lope slow, you pet him, you tell
> him thank you, and then he says, 'I did it' and you can feel it in
> him. In about three or four days, you come out and they say, 'Come
> on, let's do it, I can do it,' and you don't have to get tougher
> on them. You just have to guide them."
>
>
> Logan said, "People ask, 'What's the biggest secret you can
> tell us in training horses.' Do the same thing every day until they
> learn what you want. If I teach that horse to say yes and no, which I
> can, I have to do the same movement the same way every day for about
> three days, and pretty soon he will start shaking his head 'yes'
> and shaking his head 'no'."
>
>
> Logan's wife is Jolene, and they have six children ages 14 to
> 25, five sons and one daughter. Only his twenty-two year old son,
> Bobby Logan, helps Logan train horses. The others are not interested
> in working with horses right now.
>
>
> Logan rides most of the reining horses he trains in the show
> circuits. Bobby Logan rides some of the cutting horses and reining
> horses. They are helped by another trainer, Troy Mangum. Some of the
> owners ride their own horses.
>
>
> As we left the park, we realized how much we had enjoyed being out
> watching Logan train and seeing the horses. For a great time, go on
> out and see the shows. For a schedule of events at the Wa****ngton
> County Regional Park in Hurricane, call the Dixie Center.
>
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