HOWEDY diddler you pathetic miserable stinkin rotten
lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active accute
chronic life long incurable malignant maliciHOWES
mental case and backyard puppy miller and professional
dog training FRAUD an SCAM ARTIST,
In the interest of clean engineering, I, Charley Sante *(Sante means
heelth, don't you know?) of KlysterEngineering *(please visit my site:
Klyster.Com [klyster means ENEMA, you know...]), will speak for
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic
Grand Master Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey,
SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard:
"diddy" <none> wrote in message
news:Xns9AD1677EDA008diddydiddynet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Shelly <shelly@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> spoke these words of wisdom in
> news:Xns9AD165B7AA904shellycatsidhnet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> diddy <none> wrote in
>> news:Xns9AD1630F8905Fdiddydiddynet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>> Agreed that free feeding does lead to eating issues,
That's ABSURD.
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing,
Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Goat,
Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard has free
fed *DOZENS* of dogs for DECADES as well as prepared
food fed individually to the same numbers of dogs for the
same numbers of years and have ***seen*** that FREE
FEEDING is LESS STRESSFUL and promotes SOCIABILITY
rather than COMPETITION for food, as is DIDDLER'S
"PROBLEM" for feedin Tuck.
>>> but that's just not the case here.
Well that's on accHOWENTA you're a lyin dog abusin mental case.
>> You said that Tuck finally ate?
Yeah. Tuck FINALLY ATE when diddler DIDN'T TAKE
HER DISH AWAY after ten minutes like HOWE you
pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin punk
thug coward active accute chronic life long incurable malignant
maliciHOWES
MENTAL CASES do in an
ABSURD INSANE effort to FORCE CON-TROLL
over your dog's bodily functions.
>> Some progress, even though it might be small.
Yeah? Let's see HOWE long it lasts.
>> I think it's pretty clear that Tucks's eating issue is anxiety-related.
Oh, you mean like ALL temperament and behavior problems?
>> Not surprising,
Of curse not <{}: ~ ) >
>> as his papa had some anxiety issues himself.
Naaaah? That's curiHOWES, AIN'T IT??
>> I do wonder how much of it is genetic,
That's INSANE.
professora melanie chang and her veterinary behaviorist
dra. karen overall have been working VERY HARD to
"DISCOVER" the genetic componet of FEAR behavior:
Chris Williams writes:
"The FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual I do
find valuable. Much of it I recognize as what I've always
done without thinking of it as "training". New stuff, I've
used. His anchoring technique erased the last of Mac's
fireworks trauma,"
From: k9apple@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Chris Williams) -
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001
Subject: Re: thunder desensitizing
This thread makes one realize the problem is individual and
varied. Makes me realize I didn't have it so bad. (Gawd, Ann.
How rotten for you and Sligo!)
I'm grateful to have just found this ng when Mac was
traumatized by fireworks, because, unlike Solo,
> Thunderclaps set Solo off,
he began to chain fears - fireworks to storms to hammering
to car doors slamming. Because of this group I was able to
act immediately, which I think is im****tant, and we began to
work our way back through them.
A big help was Jerry Howe's "anchoring" technique.
I chose Mac's mismatched flopped-over ear.
It's kind of funny now.
When he hears thunder or the kind of noise that panicked
him, his only response is to twitch that ear himself.
----------------------
Fear Of Thunder IS CAUSED BY Mishandling
LIKE THIS:
"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know
Jack Wouldn't Have Done It If He Thought Solo
Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," Melanie
Lee Chang *mchang@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Canine Behavioral Genetics Project
University of California, San Francisco
http://psych.ucsf.edu/K9BehavioralGenetics/
professora melanie Worked With Solo Under The
CONSTANT And Careful Instruction And Anti-
Psychotic Medications Of dra. karen overall of
The UofPA Department Of Psychiatry And Small
Animal Behavior Clinic, UNSUCCESSFULLY
For FIVE YEARS.
Solo REMAINS Man Shy / Fear Aggressive,
HYPERACTIVE, And Afraid Of Thunder.
>> in terms of predisposition, at least.
That so? Then HOWE COME ALL temperament and
behavior problems CAN BE EXXXTINGUISHED
NEARLY INSTANTLY simply by DOIN EVERY
THING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE
of HOWE you pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin
animal murderin punk thug coward active acute
chronic life long incurable malignant maliciHOWES
MENTAL CASES PREFER??
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>> Some of it might be nurture, as well.
Oh? Oh, you mean LIKE THIS:
"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.
Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH,
That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And
Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving Care Is At The
Root Of The Scientific Management Of Doggies.
"All animals learn best through play," Lorenz.
Author and professional dog trainer LeeCharlesKelley wrote:
Thanks, Jerry, that's a helpful bit from the guy
who started it all. This shows what we've been
saying: that teaching the dog to play fetch,
regardless of its usefulness in the eventual
search part of the training program, is a
powerful motivator and reinforcer.
Of course these idiots (pardon my being blunt)
don't see using food and clickers as being a
form of coercion. Maybe they've been hypnotized
by Karen Pryor, et al:
Freeze Frame <{}: ~ ) >
From: canis55 <cani...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 1999/09/28
Subject: Dear Marilyn Re. Ness
Dear Marilyn,
I just visited your updated site. The two Ness pages are great.
Freezing the video frames to reveal the emotional impact a
leash correction has on a dog was a wonderful idea.
Lee Kelley did something similar to a Brian Kilcommon video.
The difference is we were focusing on the emotional impact a
leash correction has on the trainer. When you do this to a training
video you can clearly see the tremendous emotional charge some
of these trainers are getting from hurting dogs.
It's a strange business, this dog training. I wonder what motivates
any of us to engage in it. I'm suspicious of anyone who says they
do it because they love dogs. I know a lot of people who claim to
love what dogs represent to them, and yet they don't become trainers.
I don't think this is because they love something else more.
I think there is a difference between loving what dogs represent
to us and loving what training them creates in us or even creates
in them for that matter.
It's a complicated process and perhaps many of us have lost sight
of what we're doing. I read books and articles that matter of factly
explain how to systematically inflict pain on dogs in an effort to
create a desire to perform tasks that I often see dogs performing of
their own accord. I know many of these behaviors can be shaped
and encouraged to the same degree of reliability without all the
violence and pain.
Where they can't (if that's the case), I wonder why we think
a dog should perform a task that is so repugnant to its nature,
that we must resort to violence and coercion to compel them
to participate.
Maybe I have far too much respect for dogs, but when I read
this stuff it sounds like slavery and involuntary servitude to me.
I can't see much difference between what we're doing to them
(for their own good) and what my country men did to the African
peoples for nearly half a century.
It's hard for me to accept that I'm surrounded by so much
madness, but I have to go with my heart on this one. Most
of what we demand from dogs--if not all of it--will be offered
willingly and enthusiastically if we only learn how to request
it in a manner they can comprehend.
If it turns out that I have to attack a dog to get it to do or to not do
something, then maybe the dog isn't supposed to do what I think it
should.
The whole thing's so complicated that I can't really express it. I
just know I don't like some of the stuff I'm seeing or reading about.
--
I trains'em as I sees'em.
----------------
A. S. Neill, The Famous Founder of The Summerhill
School, Used To Cure Delinquent Children Way Back
In The 1950's By Paying Them For Every Time They
Wet The Bed Or Broke A Pane Of Glass And Their
Behaviour Would Stop, - As If By MAGICK!
The Embry Study:
"While some may find it strange that reprimands
might increase the chances of a child going into
the street, the literature on the experimental analysis
of behavior is replete with examples of how "attention
to inappropriate behavior" increases the chances of
more inappropriate behavior.
Thus, suggestions to parents that they talk to or reason
with their children about da****ng into the street will
likely to have the opposite impact.
Reprimands do not punish unsafe behavior; they reward it."
Source:
"Reducing the Risk of Pedestrian Accidents to
Preschoolers by Parent Training and Symbolic
Modeling for Children: An Experimental Analysis
in the Natural Environment. Research Re****t
Number 2 of the Safe-Playing Project."
"The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
(1966) re****t a standard contingent reward/punishment
procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
six days the boys are re****ted to have been learning
new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS
were moved to a delayed contingency the behavior and
learning immediately deteriorated.
Programs utilizing the "contingencies of reinforcement
model" proposed by Skinner (1963) are no more well
established in research than the various dynamic
therapists."
Research in four areas : 1) direct evaluation of
programmed systems for learning; 2) reinforcement;
3) cognitive dissonance; and 4) motivation, MOST
SURELY DEMOLISH the claims of operant programers."
"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's social
behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966).
Some clinics have re****ted ELIMINATION of the
need for child THERAPY through changing the
clinical emphasis from clinical to parental
HANDLING of the child (Szrynski 1965).
A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases
SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
the parents tem****arily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."
B.F. Skinner: Re-evaluation of Punishment:
Punishment, unfortunately traditionally overused,
actually has been proven not effective at long-
term behavioral change, and creatures will find
other ways of getting what it wants. In "Freedom
and the control of men" American Scholar, Winter
1955-56, 25, 47-65. 1956 he states:
If we no longer resort to torture in what we call
the civilized world, we nevertheless still make
extensive use of punitive techniques in both
domestic and foreign relations. And apparently for
good reasons. Nature if not God has created man
in such a way that he can be controlled punitively.
People quickly become skillful punishers (if not,
thereby, skillful controllers), whereas alternative
positive measures are not easily learned.
The need for punishment seems to have the sup****t
of history, and alternative practices threaten the
cherished values of freedom and dignity.
Fear involved with punishment causes frustration:
with typical results loathing, hostility and apathy.
Skinner's teaching on the superiority of posittive
reinforcement's benefits for keeping desired behavior
have proved very valuable.
----------------------------
"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING
THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT.
Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected
reward not received is experienced as a punishment
and can produce extensive and persistent aggression
(Azrin et al, 1966)."
"Motivation Of The Resistance To Coercion "-- PAVLOV:
"Reflexes of purpose and freedom" in the comparative
physiology of higher nervous activity, Institute of
Higher Nervous Activity and Neurophysiology, Academy
of Sciences, Moscow:
The most complex unconditioned "reflexes of aim and
freedom," discovered by I.P. Pavlov, are compared
with the "competence drive" and the "motivation of the
resistance to coercion," respectively, described by
contem****ary ethologists.
On the basis of the unconditioned "reflex of purpose,"
conditioned reflexes were developed in which positive
emotions arising in connection with the perfection of
a skill, irrespective of its pragmatic significance at
a given moment, serve as the reinforcement.
The unconditioned "reflex of freedom" is regarded as a
phylogenetic precursor of the will, and its acute extinction
as the physiological mechanism of hypnosis. It was
demonstrated experimentally that the appearance of the
state of "animal hypnosis" (immobilization catatonia) in
rabbits is accompanied by the predominance of electrical
activity and heat production in the right hemisphere, i.e.,
by symptoms which are found in hypnosis in man.
Simonov PV</h4>
Publication Types:<ul><li>Review</li><li>Review,
tutorial</li></ul>PMID: 2215892, UI: 91015681</blockquote>
<doctype>
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Entrez/query?uid=2215892&am
p;form=6&db=m&Dopt=bNeurosciBehavPhysiol1990May-Jun;
20(3):230-5
"...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
change of these three fundamental processes -- excitation,
inhibition and disinhibition," Ivan P. Pavlov
In the followin SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH STUDY you may
substitute pronged spiked pinch or slip choke collars for shock
and add PUNISHMENT, SCOLDING, CRATING, and offering
and witholding rewards, attention, and affection:
Psychological Effects
At issue is the question, --Do electronic training
devices elicit psychological responses?
"This section cites several research studies in which the
psychological impact of the use of electronic training devices
was analyzed. It is difficult, at best, for anyone to determine
the full psychological effect of these devices or training methods
until we can agree on exactly what constitutes a stress signal in
a domestic dog. Not only do none of the researchers agree on
what it is, but it varies from dog to dog.
It is even more difficult for humans to determine the full effect
of shock on a dog (or any animal) due to the animal's hard-wired
need to hide pain in order to survive in the wild.
Training dogs with the help of the shock collar: Short and long
term behavioral effects. (Schilder, M. & van der Borga, J. (2004).
Applied Animal Behavior Science, 85, 319-334).
The goal of this study was to determine the behavioral changes in
dogs during training using electronic training collars. Thirty-two
dogs were divided into two groups, each receiving both general
obedience and protection training.
One group was trained with shock collars and the other group
without shock collars. The dogs trained with the shock collars
displayed signs of stress: lowering of body posture, high-pitched
yelps, barks and squeals, avoidance, redirected aggression, and
tongue flicking.
It was also noted by the authors that, even during play and relaxed
walking, the group of dogs trained with shock collars continued to
show signs of stress while in the company of their handler.
The authors concluded that shock-collar training is stressful;
receiving shocks is a painful experience to dogs; and the shock
group of dogs evidently learned that the presence of their owner
(or his commands) announced the reception of shocks, even
outside of the normal training context.
They suggest that the welfare of these shocked dogs is at
stake, at least in the presence of their owners.
This study has come under considerable fire because the experience
of the handlers and dogs is not clear, and the level of shock is not
stated. With that said, it does suggest that dogs are stressed by the
experience of being shocked during training.
---------------------
You mean LIKE THAT?
>> It may be that separation anxiety manifests more strongly in
>> dogs who grow up in a home where they're with their primary
>> care givers 24/7.
ONLY if the "CARE GIVER" is a lyin dog abusin coward.
>> What I mean is, maybe dogs like Tuck didn't learn early on
>> how to cope with separation (be it from you, Reka, or just
>> other dogs in general)?
THAT'S INSANE.
As The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing,
Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Goat, Ferret,
Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard HAS PROVEN, SA
got NUTHIN to do with the ABUSER'S ABSENCES, it's got to
do with the owner's TOTAL CON-TROLL and ABUSE, not their
ABSENCES.
>> (None of that is meant to be critical!
Of curse not~!
>> Just food for thought,
Let's RATION it, shall we, shelly?
>> if you hadn't considered it before.
Naaah?
>> You probably have,
Naaaah??
>> though, because I don't think any of it is new news.)
Naaaaaah???
> you are exactly right.
Naaaah?
> Separation Anxiety is most frequently a problem
> with owners who are with their owners all the time.
THAT'S INSANE.
> And my situation is an incubator for separation anxiety issues,
BET YOUR DOG'S LIVES ON IT~!
> because I take my dogs everywhere with me.
NO. THAT DON'T CAUSE SA.
> If my dogs aren't included, i really want no part of that activity.
Seems diddler's as OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE as shelly and her dogs~!
> And i feel that even though his dad had separation anxiety,
> you have to keep in mind, his dad had no mom, and from a
> puppy, went to work with me in a backpack, so I could feed
> him and his littermates every two hours And stayed with me
> constantly from then on.
Well then HOWE COME EVERY dog who's been hand raised
since puppyhood and almost NEVER left alone don't suffer from
separation anXXXIHOWESNESS? Puppys INSTINCTIVELY
remain calm while mom goes off shoppin for breakfast.
MIGHT THAT BE on accHOWENTA SA AIN'T GOT
NUTHIN to do with the owner's ABSENCES?
> Probably no more than a week total in his lifetime, was he
> ever away from me for more than a few hours at a time.
That's IRELEVENT.
> That's a certain recipe for Separation anxiety,
NO IT AIN'T. Separation anXXXIHOWESNES is a
obsessive compulsive DISORDER CAUSED BY
STRESS from ABUSE as has been PROVEN by The
Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing,
Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Goat,
Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard and
SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH from Purdue.
> so it did not have to be genetic.
Of curse not.
> I'm doing better with Tuck.
That so? Seems Tuck is OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE
abHOWET stealin an swallowin STUFF that could KILL
and nearly has, KILLED HIM.
> And we are working on it.
Of curse. OTOH, it only takes WON DAY to
EXXXTINGUISH SA if you know HOWE.
> And he's getting better.
But of curse~!
> It was with great relief that I endoscopied and
> discovered ulcers were NOT a part of the equation.
BWEEEAAAHAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> It's clearly behavioral
Naaaah?
> And now clearly identified as such, I've got the green
> light to go ahead and work on fixing it without worrying
> about added stressors such as ulcers factored in.
Well, seein as ULCERS are CAUSED BY STRESS perhaps
diddler shoulda saved her hard earned *(STOLEN) dough and
her dog the STRESS of anesthesia and endoscopy and simply
"treated" the BEHAVIORAL ISSUES?:
Death Producing Ulcers:
"Emotional Influences On Health & Behavior"
"Is There A SCIENCE Of BEHAVIOR",
Dr. George Von Hilsheimer
Emotional Influences On Behavior
Illness is directly related to depression and lack of
adjustment, particularly to a new environment (Parens,
McConville & Kaplan, 1966).
A WIDE RANGE of PSYCHOSOMATIC or
CORTICOVISCERAL DIS-EASES was surveyed
by Wittkower (1965) to demonstrate the enormous
im****tance of emotional factors in general health.
Interview findings of emotional material (recently
experienced hopelessness) pryor to biological
examinations correctly identified 11 out of 19 with
cervical cancer, and 25 of 32 who were cancer free
even though psychological tests failed to discriminate
these groups (Schmale & Iker, 1966)
150 lung cancer patients showed significantly
constricted expression of emotions. The had fewer
childhood behavior problems, and lower neuroticism
score than their cancer free controls. Heavy cigarette
smokers who DO NOT INHALE are more apt to have LUNG
CANCER. They, too, show LOWER neuroticism scores.
Among heavy cigarette smokers poor emotional
expression is as highly related to cancer as urban
residence and is more im****tant than a chronic cough
or an air polluted environment (Kissen, 1966).
A ten year observation of all the women who developed
cancer in an isolated pupulation of 2,550 showed that
they tended to be unstable or sub stable personalities
characterized by melancholy and extraversion,
especially marked with those of an undecided body
build (Hagll, 1966). Personality dynamics effect both
the development of cancer and it's SITE. Cancer
may result from what appears to be a failure to grow--
somatically, behaviorally and psychologically
(Grinker, 1966).
In 109 cases leukemia and lymphoma were associated
with a number of losses or separations and with
feelings of sadness, anxiety, anger or hopelessness.
The PRIMARY FACTOR seems to be the shame and
hopelessness of running out of psychological resources
(Green, 1966). Cervical cancer patients are less
emotionally responsive, more isolative, and less
frequently diagnosed as having clinical neuroses than
cancer free patients. There is NO CLEAR DIFFERENCE in
their FEELINGS and ATTITUDES toward coitus (Rotkin,
Qunk, & Couchman, 1965).
Schmidt (1966) surveyed nearly 100 studies of
behaviorally induced DIS-EASE in animals CONFIRMING
and EXTENDING the DATA on PEOPLE. Behaviorally
induced DIS-EASES tend to fall into two groups;
(1) Hysteriform problems, which INCLUDE HYSTERICAL
SEIZURES and FORMS of AGGRESSION as well as
collective panic and epilepsies;
(2) organic modifications, including functional difficulties
and lesions affecting gastro intestinal, cardio vascular,
respiratory, ***ual, endocrine, skin, urinary, and neuro
muscular systems.
It is INTERESTING, and SLIGHTLY HORRIFYING,
to note that the ONLY SCIENTIFIC RELEVANCE of
the standard six hour school day that I have been able
to detect in research is that Sawrey and Weisz quite
by accident found that six hours on and six hour off of
"EXECUTIVE BEHAVIOR" in monkeys was the
ONLY TIME STRUCTURE that INDUCED DEATH
PRODUCING ULCERS.
>> Now, your job is to figure out how to give Tuck the skills
>> to cope with being away from Reka/you/other dogs.
INDEED?
Oh, you mean maybe sumpthin like The Sincerely Incredibly
Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing MAJESTIC GRAND
MASTER Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey,
SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard's NON PHYSCIAL C-HOWENTER CONditioning
Surrogate
Toy Separation ANXXXIHOWESNESS /
Bed Time Calming / Fear Of Thunder / Car Sickness / Submissive
Urination / Obsessive Compulsive Masturbation / Chronic Urinary
Tract / Bladder / Irritable BHOWEL / Obsessive Compulsive Marking /
Self-Mutilation / Spraying / Defecating / Counter Surfing / Garbage
Bin Raiding / Hole Digging / Fence Jumping / Coprophagia /
Kitty Litter Krunching - Munching / Bell / Siren HOWEling /
WHINING / Barking / Door Bolting Syndrome Technique??
BWEEEAAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> Yeppers
BET YOUR DOG'S LIFE ON IT <{}'; ~ ) >
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