HOWEDY Running Wolf,
"Running Wolf" <pavolc@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> My dog on a lead rope was attacked by a dog that was not on a lead
> rope (and his owner was few meters away). How shoud I behave? To let
> my dog defend herself or to pull her back to me?
>
> Tks for your time.
Here's a couple more DOG LOVERS who've had PROFESSIONAL HEELP:
Subject: Dog Aggression
HOWEDY tara o. aka tee,
Tee wrote:
> "buzzsaw" <t-tye@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:EPadnZ2dnZ0ZiDSHnZ2dnYuig96dnZ2dRVn-0J2dnZ0@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Max is a large 2yr old male mix (Great Dane, Ridgeback, Lab
<snip idiocy>
> > I am not sure what is causing this or how to correct.
timmy will have to stop HURTING and INTIMIDATING his dog.
> > Any ideas is appreciated.
> Wow, he looks extremely "bully" in the face.
BWEEEEEEEEEEHAHAHAHHAAA!!! You FEAR dogs. THAT'S
WHY you jerk and choke them on pronged spiked
pinch choke collars and lock them in boxes and
spray aversives in their faces and shock them.
> His eyes remind me of a chocolate Pit that
> lives a few houses down.
SCARY, ain't it.
> There's on-leash aggression, general aggression,
> big-dog aggression, little dog aggression, same
> gender aggression, intact vs neutered aggression,
> etc.
You forgot CHILD aggression like your own DEAD DOG
Summer had for the same same same same reason timmy's
dog is FEAR AGGRESSIVE of dogs, tara o. aka tee.
> From what I've understood
YOUR MURDERED YOUR OWN DEAD DOG Summer
and your new dog Joe Joe attacks your
ALPHA ***** Fancy and pisses on her
and all over your house and you couldn't
train him not to do that even with your
shock collar and professional shock collar
lessons, just a few weeks ago. REMEMBER?
> the kind of aggression you're seeing is
> fear-based rather than dominance based.
THAT'S INSANE. That's HOWE you RATIONALIZE
and JUSTIFY MURDERING your own DEAD DOG
Summer.
> Something about another animal being bigger
> than him sets him off. That's just from my
> reading and its not to say it can't be dominance
> related.
You mean like your dog Joe Joe pissin on Fancy?
Or do you mean like professora melanie's little
DOMINANCE PISSING Papillion, tara o. aka tee?
You've got a very long history of hurting
dogs and lying about it and mental illness.
> I think it can be really hard to cure dog-dog aggression,
Takes MINUTES, tara o. aka tee, but you gotta
stop jerking and choking and threatening and
shocking your dogs or you'll MURDER the rest
of 'm. You nearly GOT RID of Joe Joe just a
couple weeks ago. REMEMBER tara o. aka tee?
> especially if you can't 100% nail-down the cause.
THAT'S INSANE.
> Some dog aggression isn't curable IMO
THAT'S INSANE. YOU're INSANE.
> and if your dog is part Pit Bull then this could
> be partly genetic rather than wholly behavioral.
THAT'S INSANE. But that's HOWE COME we got BREED
SPECIFIC LEGISLATION MURDERING INNOCENT DEAD DOGS
like your own DEAD DOG Summer.
> What has your trainer suggested you do in terms
> of practice and desensitization?
BWEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!
> --
> Tara
HOWEDY tara o. aka tee,
Tee wrote:
> I have an Innotek IUT-300 UltraSmart remote trainer in hand.
IT AIN'T GONNA MAKE YOU SMART, tara o. aka tee.
> The collar itself goes on today but will not be used
> for several days as I don't want him to make a collar
> association if possible.
Oh goody! You DID get WIZE to the "collar conditioning".
CuriHOWES AIN'T IT, that NOWON HERE HAS EVER MENTIONED
collar conditioning OTHER THAN The Amazing Puppy Wizard
<{); ~ ) >, and YOU DON'T READ HIS POSTS...
> On Saturday
That's TODAY! HURRAY!
> I'm going to set him up to fail so I can use
> the collar and provide him with a few clear
> associations.
Ahhh.
> Joe Joe knows, without doubt, that counter-cruising and
> trash-raiding are unacceptable. I'm going to intentionally
> put something yummy on the counter and make myself visibly
> scarce. I know he'll take the bait. I plan to tone him for
> approaching/thinking about the food and stimulate him for
> touching the food.
Oh. GOOD IDEA! THAT'LL WIZE HIM UP TO THE COLLAR.
BWEEEEEEEEEAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!
> Same with the trashcan and I plan to do this until Monday.
You mean, till you BURN him on Monday.
HE WON'T GO NEAR THEM WHILE YOU'RE WATCHIN so YOU
WON'T BE ABLE TO BURN HIM, tara o. aka tee.
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHHAAA!!!
> The way I see it is that I'm taking something I know
> he has made a "this is NOT allowed" association with
> and providing a nick to accompany it.
You mean a SHOCK, tara o. aka tee. Let's not get TOO technical.
> This way when the marking behavior is addressed he will hopefully:
>
> a) not make a collar association
You mean with the collar that's been "toning" him for a couple days.
> b) know that the correction is a result of
THE RESULT OF YOU HURTIN HIM.
> him doing something inappropriate
Dogs EAT STUFF when they're anXXXIHOWES
and INSECURE, JUST LIKE HOWE YOU DO, with
your bulemia and STUFF.
REMEMBER?
> I have someone local coming by Monday evening just to
> meet Joe Joe and try to figure out the best, least risky
> in terms of possible negative side associations, way to
> handle identifying & association marking Fancy.
Ahhh. EXXXCELLENT! We wouldn't want someWON who
DON'T KNOW HOWE to PUPPERLY HURT a dog to mess
IT up by shockin IT a the wrong time.
> I have websites from Dobbs, Castle, Tritronics and various
> retriever related ecollar articles bookmarked as well as
> some research I did into the archives for conversations
> between Lynn, Amy, Susan F, Trisha, etc.
BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHHAHAAA!!! ALL THE DOG ABUSERS WHO DON'T
POST HERE ABHOWETS nodoGamenedMOORE, eh tara o. aka tee?
You certainly DID NOT SEE any "COLLAR CONDITIONING"
advice in The Amazing Puppy Wizard's Archives that
DIDN'T COME FROM The Amazing Puppy Wizard.
> I plan to see if I can find a book or two on e-collar
> training at Barnes & Noble this afternoon. Hopefully
> my efforts in this direction and correct use of the tool
You mean PAIN FEAR and INTIMDIATION.
> will provide the fix we're searching for.
Well tara o. aka tee, the FIX AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN
on accHOWENT of as you REPRESS ANXXXIHOWESNESS
BEHAVIORS those behaviors CHANGE to OTHER, often
worse, seemingly UNRELATED behaviors, like attackin
innocent critters and havin halucinations and OCD
behaviors.
> I hope it also calms any fears some of you
> seem to have about me using an e-collar.
HOWE COME you didn't give THIS OP****TUNITY to
your own DEAD DOG Summer pryor to MURDERIN her?
> It seems to me the best tool for the job
You mean HURTIN him.
> at this point and that it may be foolish to not try it.
And THAT'S HOWE COME you're BOXER RESCUE of NC.
> --
> Tara
"Psychiatry has yet to validate a single psychiatric
condition/diagnosis as an abornality/disease, or as
anything 'neurological', 'biological', 'chemically
imbalanced' or 'genetic'." Dr. Fred A. Baughman, Neurologist.
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywizard@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400
Dear Jerry, I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.
I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University. I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.
There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.
Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well do***ented Pavlovian techniques. Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who in
Science and Technology
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Doggy advice
Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.
I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.
I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:
whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.
The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).
You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.
As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine
"Linda" <llindaleedan...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote in message
news:
I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my
dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age.
I do not know what started the problem but he came
aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and
snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone
and could play with any dog. He was well socialized
ad I took him with me everywhere.
At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but
it was not working on his aggression problem.
I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet,
trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse.
They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated
and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then
suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not
working as he was becoming more aggressive.
I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph. D. 400 miles
away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book
on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to
use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.
I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG
ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE
LEASH", ETC looking for help. We finally went to Purdue
University Small Animal Behavior Clinic and they said he
had fear aggression, punishment would not work, use the
gentle leader and when out walking and he got stressed
have the people stop until he could get in control using
treats, and work on clicker training.
At that point I knew more about clicker training and using
the gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he
would not come when I called him and would run away when
I tried to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the
neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and women who
hasn't trained her dog"
I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who
were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two
were so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one
said I should give up on him and kill him but they would
say "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are
responsible for him."
*(You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sun****ne
DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.)
As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on
going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr
Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do
Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.
He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could
not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.
The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End.
I had been working for 18 months!
Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes
from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next
I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three
blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the
can sound and he looked at me like uhn?
I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
-the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked
on by.
When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at
me like "you must be out of your mind"
The results can make a believer!!!
Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training
Manual program I walked him without the gentle leader
in a busy shopping area with many dogs.
He just seemed to not notice any one.
When people talked to him or ask his name he would
look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.
I still can not believe the change in him--we can now
enjoy life out in public.
If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone
Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his
toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.
My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that
dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with
out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!
I know most people would have given up on him a long time
ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ
but only with the right approach-sound and praise.
I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!
================================
From: Linda Daniel
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression
Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
save so many lives. I know at times I was so frustrated I
thought of giving up on Sun****ne but of course I never would
have but many people would have. The world just does not
know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
solve problems.
We will be here until late April and we really have no plans-
-just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time
you could meet us would be great. I drive so I would be
happy to come to you anytime anywhere!
We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people
would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went
to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.
He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
those on rollerblades! I have always used a gentle leader
in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!
Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose. He never
pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
a hard time getting him going--at times I think he could
smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.
I can never thank you enough for giving Sun****ne back!!!!!
I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
a problem with other people and dogs.
I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
and not move until we backed away-
- can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street
until I get his attention with treats.
They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.
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