HOWEDY elegy you PATHETIC miserable stinkin rotten
lyin dog murderin punk thug coward active acute long term
incurable manic depressive MENTAL CASE,
"elegy" <elegy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 24 May 2008 19:34:50 -0600, FurPaw <furrealpawdog@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> wrote:
>
>>elegy wrote:
>>> <http://shattering.org/images/meandluceparade.jpg>
>>> <http://shattering.org/images/meandluceparade2.jpg>
>>>
>>> i love my eeevil red dog.
>>
>>Very smart looking there, Luce! She's quite the
>> good-will ambassador for her breed.
Oh, INDEEDY~!:
Here's Luce and here's elegy FRUSTRATING her dog who's GOIN
INSANE pullin against her pronged spiked pinch choke collar:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzBtxevvcFs&mode=user&search=
> we try.
But of curse~!:
Homer 1994 - 03.01.2007"
brothers and sisters i bid you beware
of giving your heart to a dog to tear
i put homer to sleep yesterday.
it was quite possibly the hardest thing i've ever done.
monday night i was trying to teach him to down using a
food lure. he wasn't getting it, so i put a hand on him to
try to encourage him to down. he attacked me, biting me
twice on the hand, and then when i stood up and backed
away, he came after me more and bit me on the leg as well.
i was shocked and devestated and a hundred other things.
i ended up emailing my trainer (who has turned out to be a
very kind friend) and she called me and i spent an hour on
the phone with her crying. she doesn't deal with aggression
cases, but she listened to me and talked me down. i hardly
slept that night.
tuesday i took homer in to work with me and had the vet
feel his neck. i didn't think it was a reaction due to pain
but i had to check it out. the vet put his hands on the sides
of homer's head and manipulated his head around. homer
didn't show any signs of pain or discomfort. he went
through the motions some more.
homer flipped out, with no warning, extremely violently. it
took him a long time (it felt like a lifetime. it was probably
around 3 minutes) to calm down enough that the vet could
take his hands off of homer without anybody getting hurt.
i went home for lunch and called a behaviorist. i spent a lot
of the day reading the brenda aloff aggression book and the
karen overall behavior book.
that night the behaviorist called me and i told her what had
happened and she asked questions and i answered them as
best i could.
she gave him a pretty poor prognosis.
everything that she said made sense to me, and nothing
she said was earth-shattering or even really anything
that i didn't already know.
this morning i took him in and held him close and cried into
his fur and told him how much i love him and let him go.
he was a dangerous dog. he bit unpredictably and with no
warning. he was a love, a snugglebug, a sweet sweet dog
as long as you didn't do anything he didn't want done. but
if you tried to "make" him do something he didn't want to
do, all bets were off. his reaction could be a snap or it could
be an over-the-top meltdown.
i couldn't live with a dog like that.
i *will not* live with a dog like that.
i've spent the last three days crying my eyes out. i never
imagined i could get that attached to a dog who i had for
all of 12 days and who bit me several times during those
12 days.
but i was. i loved him.
i loved him ferociously, but i had to let him go.
for his sake.
for my sake.
for the sake of luce and mushroom.
i feel horrible. heartbroken. guilty. angry.
and yet i don't regret him, not for one moment,
despite how things turned out.
Replies: 2 comments
i'm sorry, but human aggression is a deal-breaker, especially
unpredictable, unwarned human-aggression. there is too much
at stake and too much to lose.
Posted by e @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
03/26/2007 06:49 AM EST
You were just as unpredictable to Homer.
Shame on you for giving him only 12 days.
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> dressing her up like that lures in so many innocent people bwahahaha
"bwahahaha"?
> "what kind of dog is she?"
> "she's a pit bull"
> "really??!!"
>
> it was all good responses yesterday, one hundred percent,
> which is awesomeness.
LUCKY THING her leis was coverin her PRONGED SPIKED PINCH CHOKE COLLAR
otherWIZE she'd of SCARED ordinary people.
> --
> http://underdogged.net
> x-no-archive:yes in headers
HOWE COME would you set your INFORMATIVE posts to
EXXXPIRE in six days, elegy? Are you EMBARRASSED
by your own words, you lyin animal murderin punk thug coward
mental case fraud an SCAM ARTIST, like montana, diddler,
professora melanie chang, cindy title moore of k9web.com,
and not so happy, not so handsome, not so gentle jackass, not
even jack morrison, a.k.a. BIG DADDY a.k.a. DOGMAN a.k.a.
tommy sorenson of sorenson's Retriever PUPPY MILL and
SHOCK COLLAR SALES??
Are they EMBARRASSED by their own words, the lyin animal
murderin punk thug coward mental cases frauds an SCAM ARTISTS?
matty aka Rocky EXXXPLAINS HOWE COME:
"Rocky" <2d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
For reasons I'll only explain privately, I've gone no
archive, and it's a shame. Once in a while, while
looking for something else, I'll run into an old post
of mine. What an idiotic response! Whoops.
BWEEEAAAHAHAAAHAAHAAA!~!~!
The Pit Bull Problem,
Breed Specific Legislation
And
The Pit Bull Fancier / RESCUER
HOWEDY People,
Thanks to katie aka elegy (elegy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
),
a devHOWET Pit Bull RESCUER who's love and life revolves
arHOWEND RESCUING defenseless, misunderstood Pit Bull
Dogs, we have "The Pit Bull Problem":
HOWEDY elegy you miserable lying dog abusing punk thug
coward active acute long term incurable MENTAL CASE,
elegy wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:30:35 -0500, kate <kate@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm a new (and somewhat reluctant) owner of a pit bull.
> > I'm not sure this is the right place to ask, but I'm
> > giving it a shot.
Seems Kat AIN'T been PAYIN ATTENTION here on The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Forums, eh elegy? You think you can
HOODWINK her into HURTIN her dog like HOWE you do
your dogs, elegy, you SHELTER / RESCUE dog lover?
> > Can pit bulls play with other dogs off leash?
A DOG IS A DOG, AIN'T THAT SO, elegy.
> > Can they ever be off leash
Just like ANY other BREED.
> > if not in a fenced area?
ONLY IF you know HOWE to install the come command as a
CONDITIONAL REFLEX as taught in your own FREE COPY
of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual.
> i have two pits.
INDEEDY. And you jerk and choke them on your pronged
spiked pinch choke collar and SHOCK them to CONTRAIN
them in your yard and if they DON'T LIKE THAT you
take them to the SHELTER to be MURDERED for bein
AGGRESSIVE.
> one is nutsy around all other dogs
ALL AGGRESSION IS FEAR.
ALL FEAR IS CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
> except his "sister",
MOST of HOWER DOG LOVERS can't keep their
own OPPOSITE *** dogs withHOWET fighting.
> but luce can play nicely with certain other dogs.
You mean when he AIN'T AFRAID.
> she's got a good standard poodle friend and a
> good goldendoodle friend, and she's played with
> a couple of other male dogs, always in a very
> controlled environment
You mean when you're standin right there ready
to THREATEN and HURT him if he acts AFRAID.
> and with careful and appropriate introductions.
BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHHAHHAHAAA!!!
> i would never ever ever take her to a dogpark though.
That's curiHOWES ain't it, elegy.
> ever.
On accHOWENT of your dogs are FEAR AGGRESSIVE
JUST LIKE the rest of these mentally ill lyin
dog abusing punk thug cowards for the same reason.
> she also can't be off-leash in an unfenced area
On accHOWENT of she'll RUN HOWET ON YOU on accHOWENT
of YOU CHOKE and SHOCK your dogs, isn't THAT correct,
elegy you miserable lying dog abusing punk thug coward.
> because her recall is lousy
DESPITE your SHOCK COLLAR, just like jeff dege's dog, elegy?
> in the face of anything she wants to chase.
INDEED? BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHHAAAA!!!
> mushroom's recall is somewhat better
You mean he WON'T COME unless you can HURT him ENOUGH.
> but i still wouldn't take my chances.
On accHOWENT of you're a DOG ABUSING SIMPLETON.
> > With all the media hype about pits,
That MEDIA HYPE COMES FROM the Pit Bull Fanciers
like elegy. Isn't that correct, elegy. Remember
last week when you sent in that link with all
the EXXXCELLENT advice? They SELL SHOCK COLLARS.
They advised to break a dog of chasing his tail to
allow him to DO IT for a minute AND THEN IGNORE IT
despite that TAIL CHASING is an ANXXXIHOWESNESS
BEHAVIOR which can becom COMPULSIVE / OBSESSIVE.
> > and the different rescue websites
The RESPONSIBLE ETHICKAL RESCUE DOG LOVERS like elegy...
> > I've visited, it sounds like you never want them
> > to become overstimulated. If true, how do you keep
> > a hyper dog from becoming over stimulated?
HYPERACTIVE DOGS ARE MADE HYPERACTIVE BY DOG ABUSERS
LOCKING THEM IN BOXES and CHOKING and SHOCKING THEM.
> i don't think you have to worry about them getting
> overstimulated so much as you have to worry about
> them being dog aggressive,
BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAAAA!!!
> which is absolutely normal for the breed.
THAT'S INSANE, elegy. THAT'S HOWE COME Pit
Bull dogs GOT a BAD REPUTATION you dog abusing
MENTAL CASE.
> some pit bulls are more dog aggro than others,
A DOG IS A DOG, elegy. You HURT INTIMIDATE
and MURDER dogs that SCARE YOU, elegy.
> some have very specific dislikes (luce hates female dogs
Luce is FEAR AGGRESSIVE of same *** dogs,
unlike your male dog who's FEAR AGGRESSIVE
of ALL dogs, isn't that correct, elegy.
> of similar body type and will try to eat them
> but small female dogs and giant female dogs
> seem to be ok).
THAT'S INSANE.
> some are just quick to take offense in play.
No, they're AFRAID on accHOWENT of YOU ABUSE THEM.
> luce is a very high energy dog.
You mean she's HYPERACTIVE.
> i take her to run in a fenced yard daily.
Or she'll GO INSANE JUST LIKE THE REST of HOWER
DOG LOVER'S FEAR AGGRESSIVE HYPERACTIVE DOGS:
"Max will go BONKERS if exercise deprived," marshall dermer.
> she and mushroom, my male, play a lot of tug and
> a lot of chase. when it was just her and me, we
> played a lot of tug and did a lot of training.
Your "TRAINING" is HOWE COME she's HYPERACTIVE and FEAR AGGRESSIVE.
> brain work seems to tire her out a
> lot faster than purely physical play.
Naaah? Do tell?
> (mushroom's pretty low energy. just walking
> and general play tires him out plenty.)
Oh. You mean he's hpothyroid, a STRESS INDUCED
AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.
> --
> read banned books.
> http://shattering.org
> x-no-archive: yes in headers
Seems Kat WANTS somethin LIKE THIS:
Newsgroups: alt.pets.dogs.pitbull
From: elegy <e...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 23:09:44 -0400
Local: Sat, Sep 17 2005 11:09 pm
Subject: Re: A question about pit bulls.
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unknown history has less to do with the
possibility of fighting than genetics.
you can take the pit bull out of the pit but
you can't take the pit out of the pit bull.
personally i am not willing to risk my dogs'
lives by leaving two fighting breed dogs alone
together no matter how well they get along when
i'm there.
--
http://shattering.org
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Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 09:36:24 -0400
Subject: Re: A question about pit bulls.
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On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:49:57 -0400, elegy
<e...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
any *good* vet will take the dog at face value
and not muzzle or notmuzzle based on breed alone.
most pit bulls are actually fantastic at the vet
because they're such a people-loving and stoic
breed. i actually haven't yet had a bad experience
with a pit bull working in a veterinary environment,
even ones that were bad torn up from fights.
i know there are nasty pit bulls out there, and
fear-biters as well, but thankfully they're they
minority.
Newsgroups: alt.pets.dogs.pitbull
From: "Russ" <dontmailmeillmail...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 20:01:09
Subject: Re: A question about pit bulls.
L Alpert,
It's unknown how a just graduated from highschool 17
year old male will act in the Summer holidays at the
local hang out, when confronted by the bully that
bullied and tormented him throughout the last 5 years
of highschool.
He may fall in line or he may react. Your dog is just
maturing, he may decide to be lower in the pack for
his entire life. Especially if you sup****t the alpha.
BUT, if the pit decides in his own mind that it is
enough and decides to challenge for the top spot.
Your lifestyle will most likely change. All we are
trying to tell you is, be ready, be prepared, and
take precautions.
I don't know if you have seen a pitbull in its
virgin fight, but I can tell you they don't need
to taught to win against 99% of the other breeds
like rotties, gsd's, labs, etc. they will kick
ass and you will be mopping up.
Cleaning wounds and sticking your fingers into 1
nch deep gashes and punctures is not fun. And this
happened when I was there to break it up.
Imagine if you are not there to intervene. I am so
glad my dogs don't hate each other. Otherwise I would
have have a serious dilemma:) "X's fingers and thanks God"
===================
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAHHAHHAAAA!!!
Here's elegy aka katie doin her beast to IDENTIFY
the Pit Bull Problem and SAVE the Pit Bull from
harm by EXXXPOSING the rabid anti Pit Bull hysteria:
> you don't have to be a big-time pit bull
> activist to be aware of the pit bull problem.
A DOG Is A DOG;
As A KAT Is A KAT;
As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES
As A Mass Murderer Is A Mass Murderer.
> all you have to do is tune into the nightly news. it's
> there all the time. such and such pit bull attacked this
> child, this old person's little fluffy dog, the neighbor,
> etc etc etc. some of it isn't true-sometimes it's not pit
> bulls. and there are plenty of other dog attacks happening,
> but they aren't as fa****onable right now, so they're less
> likely to be re****ted (or their re****ted with "pit bull"
> in the headline despite the actual breed of dog).
ALL Critters Only Respond In
PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
To Situations And Cir***stances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.
You GET The Critter You TRAINED
> there is a pit bull problem.
In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
SAME SAME SAME SAME,
For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.
Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.
ALL Temperament And Behavior Problems Are
CAUSED BY MISHANDLING
> there is an extreme overpopulation problem in the us right
> now. extreme. over a million pit bulls are euthanized every
> single year in shelters in this country. some shelters
> euthanize every single pit bull who crosses the threshold
> into their buildings.
"If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
and you will know each other.
If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
and what you do not know you will fear.
What one fears, one destroys."
Chief Dan George
> these dogs don't even get the op****tunity for a new life.
Many dog lovers believe DEATH is superior to bein locked
in a box in a "shelter" till the day the dog dies of a
natural death as G-D intended <{); ~ ) >
Many animal activists believe dogs who cannot ENJOY normal
natural lives cohabitating with humans and other animals in
harmony would be better off gently and humanely EUTHANIZED.
> and yet, people are pumping out more and more and more dogs
> for a quick buck, because they're too lazy to spay and neuter,
Many dog lovers and animal rights activists believe that dogs
SHOULD be surgically ***ually mutilated for their own protection
DESPITE that surgical ***ual mutilation CAUSES AGGRESSION.
> because breeding pit bulls is somehow fa****onable.
Of curse, the only people who'd see dog aggressive dogs as
FASIONABLE would be Pit Bull Fanciers, DOG FIGTHERS
and active acute chronic long term incurable mental cases who
see themselves as Pit Bull ACTIVISTS <{); ~ ) >
> there are very very few breeders who do it right.
ETHICKAL breeders and Pit Bull Fanciers always BLAME
"poorly bred / unethical backard / puppy mill / pet shop " breed
stock for the PROBLEMS of their favorite breed <{); ~ ) >
> they are out there, but chances are, they don't have
> a litter on the ground, and in this "have-it-now"
> society, people will go where there is supply,
> consequences and ethics be damned.
Well then, it would seem it behooves the ETHICKAL breeders
to fulfill the DEMAND for and SUPPLY ETHICKALLY BRED
dog aggressive high strung demanding overbearing PET and
SHOW DOGS to obviate the UNETHICAL backyard / puppy
mill sold in pet shop breed stock, like Petey from "HOWER
GANG" t.v. series.
> a responsible breeder is breeding maybe a litter
> a year right now. certainly no more than two.
OtherWIZE they'd be PUPPYMILLERS.
> and they are breeding dogs with both conformation (show
> ring) titles and working titles. these are working dogs,
> after all.
Of curse, the ONLY "WORK" a Pit Bull dog is suited
for are pullin sledges in competition and DOG FIGHTING.
> they were not developed as companion dogs,
That's SHEER IDIOCY as evidenced by Petey on HOWER GANG.
> though they make wonderful companions.
That's a oxymoron, AIN'T IT.
> these dogs were bred to work.
CITES PLEASE, katie?
> they love to work.
WHAAAT "WORK"???
> responsible breeders are health testing the dogs
For GENETIC DIS-EASES caused by IN BREEDING.
> that they're breeding.
INDEEDY!
> this means they OFA hips, shoulders,
The "hip" problems are CAUSED by nutritional deficiencies.
> cardiac, thyroid, and CERF
The cardiac / thyroid problems and eye problems
are CAUSED by POOR NUTRITION and STRESS.
Why is it im****tant to get my dog registered with CERF?
* Your dog can be identified as being registered with
CERF to other interested dog breeders or buyers. Dogs
can be advertised using CERF registration numbers.
* CERF registration shows your sup****t for the mutual
goal of eliminating heritable eye disease in purebred
canines, and provides your puppy buyers and other
breeders with proof of your integrity and commitment
to maintaining the highest quality bloodlines.
* CERF registration contributes to the sup****t of your
national and local breed clubs, some of which require
CERF registration to be in good standing.
* CERF registration sup****ts the American Kennel Club's
(AKC) role in promoting responsible breeding and owner****p.
AKC is incor****tating CERF registration numbers on their
registration slips and certified pedigrees.
DESPITE THAT:
Dysplasia is a VITAMIN C deficiency, like SCURVEY:
Dr. Wendell Belfield has PROVEN that hip dysplasia AIN'T
a GENETIC DEFECT, it's simply a lack of absorbable vitamin
C in the DIET, therefore it's EZily PREVENTABLE.
He's BRED hip dysplastic sire and dam, fed the mom an
apupriate diet, raised the pups with apupriate nutrition and
found NO hip dysplasia.
The OFA IGNORES the EVIDENCE as it would PUT THEM
HOWETA BUSINESS. The SCAM is pu****trated by the AVMA
on accHOWENTA they PROFIT from DOIN SURGERY on
dysplastic dogs and "GENETIC TESTING" pryor to breeding.
The claims of the GENETICISTS have been soundly DISPROVEN
yet they CONtinue to GET PAID RESEARCH GRANTS funded by
UNCLE SAM AND BIG PHARMACUTICAL COMPANIES to
PROVE what DON'T EXXXIST <{}: ~ ( >
Here's the RESEARCH from Dr. Belfield:
http://www.belfield.com/article5.html
Here's more info on vitamin C:
http://workingdogs.com/doc0039.htm
Hip Dysplasia - A Vitamin C Deficiency
Canine Hip Dysplasia (CHD), a crippling disease of the
coxofemoral joint (hip), was first observed and re****ted
in 1945 by the late Dr.Gary Schnelle. Dr. Schnelle was
the staff radiologist at Angels Memorial Hospital at
Boston, Massachusetts and re****ted his observations in
The North American Veterinarian Journal and termed the
condition "Congenital Coxofemoral Subluxation".
Though "congenital", by definition, means "existing at
birth but not hereditary", Schnelle theorized the cause
to be a recessive gene.
Today, this condition is associated with the large breeds
of canines, however Schnelle's initial observations were
in the smaller breeds i.e., cocker spaniels, terriers, etc..
During the 1960's, Dr. Wayne Riser, a veterinary pathologist,
collaborated with a geneticist and postulated the concept that
CHD was "polygenetic with environmental overtones" and during
this time frame, the term "Canine Hip Dysplasia" was born.
There has been a string of professionals who have perpetuated
the heredity theory even until the present. We have been
encouraged to breed selectively, alter, and in some cases,
euthanize the afflicted canines.
This is what the veterinary experts have been insisting
the dog breeders and fanciers do to prevent CHD for the
past fifty-two years. Is it possible we have been on the
wrong track for more than a half century?
One authority, of a veterinary teaching institution in
a personal correspondence to the author, admitted the
"experts" have failed to solve the CHD problem.
In 1976, The author published his observations:
("Chronic Subclinical Scurvy and Canine Hip Dysplasia")
in his small animal practice through the administration
of vitamin C to prevent CHD. Whether this concept has
been accepted or not it has sparked controversy, and has
some veterinarians re*****sing the archaic heredity theory.
There are two unanswered relevant questions the "experts"
have failed to answer to prove the heredity theory.
1. What is the action of the gene/genes, how do they
create the disease?
2. How does the veterinary practitioner differentiate
between a hip subluxation due to trauma (injury) from
true CHD?
Since the mid 1970's, the author has been successful in
preventing CHD through the administration of nutritional
supplements to the pregnant female and within hours of
birth to the newborn.
As earlier presented, the first canines observed with CHD
were the smaller breeds; yet today the larger canines are
most affected. The reason for this phenomenon is that the
present day dog food is considerably more nutritious than
that being fed in the 1940's, i.e., more attention is now
being given to nutritional requirements.
The requirements that have been established over the past
four decades have eliminated the CHD problem in the smaller
breeds but these requirements are not adequate for the large
and giant breeds.
One cannot expect the nutritional requirements for a
Chihuahua be the same for that of a Great Dane.
When these large and giant breeds of canines are
adequately subsidized through nutritional supplementation,
the condition is prevented.
CHD must be more specifically defined. At the present,
any abnormality in the coxofemoral joint is considered
hip dysplasia.
The first photograph shows a dog who was diagnosed with
unilateral dysplasia. No consideration was given to the
history of this patient.
The fact of the matter is, this subluxation was due to a
falling bail of hay impacting the right pelvic region.
*****es often sit on their new born causing subluxations
which are not manifested for some weeks later when the
pups begin to walk.
For this reason the author, in his practice, does not
diagnose or recognize "unilateral" hip dysplasia.
The second photograph is without a doubt CHD. Both hips are
subluxated with accompanying osteoarthritis. The problem of
CHD is directly associated with collagen synthesis. Inadequate
collagen synthesis will adversely affect osteogenesis (development
and formation of bone), chondrogenesis (development and formation
of cartilage), and myogenesis (develop and formation of muscle).
These three physiological processes are dependent on good
collagen synthesis which is dependent on good nutrition.
Research biochemists, during the 90's, have established the
involvement of good nutrition for good collagen synthesis. This
sup****ts the author's concept set forth in 1976 that CHD is
nutritionally related rather than hereditary.
If it can be established that these alleged genes, in
fact, inhibit bone, cartilage, and muscle formation,
then it would be possible to control dysplasia through
nutritional Supplementation.
Some genetic tendencies can be overridden by other factors,
such as nutritional supplementation. The bottom line is, if
CHD can be prevented be it hereditary or nutritional there
is more to gain than to lose with the nutritional concept.
The author has developed a nutritional protocol for the
prevention and control of CHD. The protocol begins with
the pregnant *****.
To ensure a healthy pregnancy, the female is administered
Mega C Plus. This supplement will aid in the maintenance of
a good pregnancy and a healthy litter. This vitamin / mineral
compound will enhance immune function and most im****tantly,
aid in the synthesis of collagen while the pups are developing
in utero.
After the birth of the litter, Mega C Drops (pediatric formula) is
administered to each pup within two hours and is continued through
weaning. Mega C Drops is a formula containing hydrolyzed protein
(collagen), vitamin C as sodium ascorbate, plus other essential
nutrients that enhances collagen synthesis.
Postweaning, the pups are placed on a Mega
C Plus regimen through two years of age.
The author discusses CHD, at the cell level, in the forthcoming
textbook "Complementary and Alternative Veterinary Medicine:
Practices and Principle" published by Mosby. There has been
extensive research in recent years concerning collagen synthesis
by many renown biochemists that sup****ts the author's nutritional
concept.
This new textbook is targeting veterinary practitioners and
educators and will be available September, 1997."
* PennHip evaluation
* OVC evaluation
* GDC evaluation
They're all the SAME SCAM wearing different clothes.
Recent research from Purdue SEZ that ascorbic acid added to dog food
INCREASES the chances of GVD (bloat, gastric torsion) by 320%.
Here's the RESEARCH article from Purdue:
http://www.vet.purdue.edu/epi/dietrisk.htm
Canine Bloat and Temperament by Myrna Milani, DVM
"Originally written for DogWatch, a newsletter for the general
public from the Cornell University College of Veterinary Medicine
The study of gastric dilatation-volvulus (GDV or bloat) in dogs
conducted by Lawrence Glickman and his team of researchers at
the Center for the Human-Animal Bond at Purdue University did
indeed show that dogs judged nervous or fearful by their owners
were at higher risk than happy, easy-going ones.
But how could this be?
Unfortunately, currently studies of disease or injury don't take the
role of the animal's behavior or its relation****p with the owner into
account.
However, hopefully the increased interest shown in the links
between behavior and health by human health professionals
and the general public will stimulate more research in this
aspect of veterinary medicine, too.
Beyond that, though, we can get some hints regarding what might
occur in domestic animals from what we know happens in wild ones.
When frightened by a predator, a wild animal will immediately empty
its bladder and defecate to decrease its weight to enable it to fight or
run more efficiently.
Consequently, the normal fear response involves a period of
hypermotility or increased activity of the gut to empty it, followed
by hypomotility which allows the animal to channel maximum
energy to the skeletal muscles for flight or fighting. In the wild,
the prey animal which finds itself in this situation usually either
gets away from the predator or gets caught and eaten. within a
relatively short time.
If the animal gets away, normal gut motility becomes re-established
and may remain so for a fairly long time. Although nature films
sometimes give the impression that animals spend most of their time
fighting or fleeing predators, such encounters make up a comparatively
small part of the wild animal's day.
Compare this to the life led by the average timid dog in a complex
suburban environment. Every time fearful Freddy hears a strange
noise during his owner's absence, he wants to run and hide.
Shortly after his owner goes to work, the sound of the school bus
sets him off. His ancestral brain sends a message to the smooth
muscle of his gut to empty out and prepare for the great fight or
escape. However, house-trained Freddy wouldn't dream of doing
that, or maybe his gut is empty because he only gets fed in the
evening.
Whatever the reason, the hypermotile phase comes to a screeching
halt when he bolts for the door and begins barking frantically. Freddy
survives that assault and his gut starts functioning normally again.
But then an hour later the mail arrives. An hour after that, the UPS
man leaves a package. Then the kids next door start playing ball, and
a dog starts barking on the next block.
Each time something frightens him, Freddy's gut speeds up, shuts
down, then starts up again. Perhaps after repeated episodes of this,
it loses its ability to contract normally and dilates, just like a balloon
that's been repeatedly inflated and deflated eventually loses its
elasticity.
But what about dogs like Clementine who drool, vomit, or get
diarrhea when they get scared? Instead of their guts shutting
down, they go into overdrive. In reality, Freddy's and Clementine's
responses probably represent variations on the same theme. Freddy
can muster the courage to get beyond the gut-emptying freeze state,
but Clementine remains stuck there. Perhaps her gut just keeps
churning until it can't churn any more.
In both cases though, when the dogs eat that night, the digestive
juices flow as usual but their stomachs don't contract to mix things
to aid digestion and gas builds up. At some point before or during
this process, and added by a body type that lends itself to this, the
stomach flips and GDV results.
Again, this all remains speculation based on wild animal behavior.
Still, it serves as yet another good reason to keep our dogs' minds
as healthy as their bodies.:
>> Eye Clearance
>> * CERF evaluation
MORE BULL**** SCAM ART:
PRA a.k.a. progressive renal atrophy is likeWIZE a
100% PREVENTABLE vitamin E deficiency <{}:~ ) >
HOWEver, like the OFA, the CERF foundation would
GO HOWETA BUSINESS was they to ADMIT to the
FACTS and SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH provided:
http://www.guidedogs.org.uk/fileadmin/gdba/images/downloads/CPRAisntanymore.doc
Central Progressive Retinal Atrophy - isn't anymore June 1999
The most exciting outcome of this work is that the supplementation
of vitamin E to the dog's diet can maintain the blood levels at
sufficiently high values to stop the disease in its tracks.
What has been established is that in dogs which developed this
disease, there is a defect present in the metabolism pathway of
vitamin E. In the clinically affected breeds we studied, the serum
levels of vitamin E are usually lower than normal and this means
that there is less vitamin E available to the retina.
The constituent chemical in vitamin E is an im****tant antioxidant
substance and it helps protect retinal tissue from damage caused
by light. Thus, where there is insufficient vitamin E the retina
can be easily damaged. The greater the deficiency the quicker the
disease appears and the quicker it progresses.
The work we have done has shown that affected dogs are simply
not able to retain ingested vitamin E in their system and after a
meal there is a rapid decay in the blood levels.
In fact this disease is very similar to the disease which
affects the human retina and is called FIVE (Familial
Isolated Vitamin E deficiency). We believe the source of
the defect may be a deficiency of the trans****t factor
produced by the liver that is required to move vitamin
E around in the circulation.
Some twenty years ago I looked at what could only be
described as an epidemic outbreak of RPED in the Briard
breed and it was those findings which suggested that a
nutritional factor was probably involved in the aetiology
of the condition. At that time, some thirty percent of the
breed was affected with RPED to varying extent by six years
of age.
At the time I completed a limited *****sment of possible
nutritional factors and was impressed with the similarity
of RPED and the retinal changes which occur in acute Vitamin
E deficiency. In a number of both normal and clinically
affected Briards there was an indication from the blood
work that vitamin E might be significant.
One of the disease scourges of the pedigree dog world is
blindness caused by a number of progressive degenerations
of the retina, grouped together under the term "Progressive
Retinal Atrophy'1 (PRA).
It is a term that strikes fear into the hearts of dog breeders
simply because of its severe effects and the fact that there is
no treatment available.
So what is PRA and why have I entitled this article in such a way?
Sadly, intensive breeding programmes designed to improve the
standard of pedigree dogs have, on occasion, managed to select
deleterious genetic material and that material is seen as disease.
Intensive breeding
>> Autoimmune thyroiditis
Auto-immune DIS-EASE is CAUSED by STRESS from
TOXIC veterinary malpractices and ABUSE <{}: ~ ( >
Thyroid DIS-EASE can be PREVENTED by
simply feedin chicken necks <{}: ~ ( >:
>> it doesn't mean simply that the dog looks healthy
>> and is up to date on shots.
90% of ALL DIS-EASE are IDIOPATHIC / IATROGENIC i.e.,
CAUSED BY STRESS from MISHANDLING, poor nutrition
and TOXIC veterinary treatments and malpractices.
> pit bulls are afflicted by a variety of health problems.
> heart disease is rampant, and devestating if it happens
> to your dog.
Perhaps THAT'S on accHOWENT of these "BIG HEARTED"
GAME BRED DOGS are STRESSED by the Pit Bull Fancier's
efforts to SAFELY CONFINE their big hearted FIGHTING
DOGS to protect J.Q. Pubic from harm?
> hip dysplasia
Is JUST LIKE Scurvey. It can be OBVIATED by apupriate nutrition.
> can cripple a dog with a willing heart long before their time.
CRIPPLING IS CAUSED BY STRESS from jerking choking shocking
and locking dogs in boxes and ignoring their cries <{): ~ ( >
> premature blindness happens.
No, "premature blindness" DON'T "JUST HAPPEN" IT'S
CAUSED CAUSED BY STRESS from ABUSE and veterinary
TOXINS.
Cataracts can be EZily CURED with eucalyptus honey and lemon eye drops.
Subject: Stress Induced Blindness - Effects Of Emotions On Glaucoma
HOWEDY People,
Fri, Sep 26 2003
Just re****ted this week from opthamologic society
that men who wear tight fitting neckties tend to have
MOORE glaucoma.
You can't be jerking and choking and scoldin your
dogs no MOORE. LIKE THIS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzBtxevvcFs&mode=user&search=
You're KILLIN and making your dogs go blind, to boot:
The most common precipitating events include illness,
emotional stress, trauma, intense concentration, and
pharmacologic pupillary dilation.[Sugar, 1941 #116; Lowe,
1961 #8957] The role of emotional stress in inducing acute
angle-closure should not be underestimated.[Inman, 1929
#190; Egan, 1955 #189; Cross, 1960 #188]
From: David Wright (djwri...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Effects of emotions on glaucoma
Newsgroups: alt.sup****t.glaucoma
Date: 1999/07/01
The role of stress in glaucoma is difficult to establish but
anecdotal evidence from many doctors suggests that it might
well play a role in glaucoma. As far as we know there are not
any clinical papers on the subject, indeed part of the problem
in investigating the relation****p of stress to any condition
is that the investigation itself tends to be somewhat
stressful. However, the best advice would be to keep stress
levels as low as possible without raising them again by
worrying about it.
David Wright MSAE
Chief Executive, International Glaucoma Association
While we are pleased to offer the above information, it is not
possible for the International Glaucoma Association to advise
on an individual patient's eye condition or treatment as this
has to be the role of their own doctor or eye specialist who
knows the full details of their particular case.
----------
In article <7lfuf7$f5...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>I seem to recall hearing on occasion the role of stress on
>eye pressure. My doc asked me on my last tonometry if I was
>under stress. However, after researching the subject I cannot
>find out anything. Many areas of medicine have acknowleged
>the role of stress reduction on things such as blood
>pressure, the immune system, pain sensitivity etc.
> What about things like anxiety, insomnia, anger, depression,
> etc and the effects on eye pressure. Is there any correlation?
>Does biofeedback have any effect on reducing eye pressure? If
>there hasn't been any research like this there should be! I
>would appreciate any thoughts on this subject.
>Thanks.
From: ritch (r...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Cerebrospinal Pressure,Glaucoma, etc.
Newsgroups: sci.med.vision, alt.sup****t.glaucoma
Date: 1996/01/26
2. Constant elevated IOP was shown to block axoplasmic
trans****t at the level of the lamina cribrosa a generation ago
by electron microscopic studies. However, it has more recently
been advocated that shear stress is just as im****tant. In the
latter case, changes in IOP can cause sliding of the plates of
the lamina cribrosa over each other, twisting and damaging the
axons that pass through it.
=========================
Natural Eye Care, An Encyclopedia: Complementary
Treatments For Improving And Saving Your Eyes Marc
Grossman, O.D., L.Ac. & Glen Swartwout, O.D. Keats
Publi****ng/NTC/Contem****ary Publi****ng Group, Inc.
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As well as being practicing optometrists, Dr. Marc
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Both have also published previous books. Their joint
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prevention and treatment of eye disorders.
The authors say that their "primary goal is to offer a
practical approach to vision care based on an underlying
philosophy that emphasizes prevention rather than cure."
They begin with a fascinating discussion of how the eye
functions, including information like "the entire blood volume
of the body p***** through the eyes every 40 minutes or so."
Although many of us don't realize it, our eyes are the
first to suffer when we feel physical or mental stress. They
also cite studies showing that allergies in children improve
when their vision is enhanced through vision therapy.
Dr. Grossman and Dr. Swartwout devote one chapter to a
explanation of the various natural treatments and how they are
used for treating vision disorders.
They emphasize the "vision diet," which focuses on eating
lots of fresh foods and eliminating processed or refined foods.
They also discuss the role of Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM),
acupressure, herbs, physical exercise, eye exercises, spinal
adjustments, and homeopathy in preventing and treating eye
diseases.
Each of the following eye diseases have their own chapter:
glaucoma, cataracts, macular degeneration, dry eyes, sties,
floaters, and conjunctivitis (pink eye). The authors provide a
description of the causes and symptoms of each disease, and a
summary of conventional treatment. They then describe a
healing program for those who have each vision disorder, based
on natural treatments. Each chapter ends with a prevention
program for those who still have healthy eyes.
An appendix provides acupressure directions. They also
include an extensive reference section, and listing for resources
for those who can't obtain natural products locally.
Dr. Grossman and Dr. Swartwout say that "the good news
is that we don't have to be passive victims of eye disease. Eye
deterioration can often be stopped--and even reversed." Readers
will find Natural Eye Care, An Encyclopedia a comprehensive
and invaluable resource for the prevention and treatment of vision
disorders. Paper. 196 pp.
> poorly bred blue pit bulls are prone to skin conditions like
> demodex (a type of mange which is a result of a poor immune
> system) and allergies.
CASE CLOSED, eh People???
> many of these problems have a genetic component
The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard has DISCREDITED
the Canine Genome Project base on the DISCREDITATION of
the EXXXPERTS workin on it, dra. karen overall and her
"patients" professora melanie chang and her fear aggressive
hyperactive BC Solo, who, after FIVE YEARS of "TREATMENT"
and psychotropic anti psychotic medications has made NO
improvement:
"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It A Sharp
Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack Wouldn't
Have Done It If He Thought Solo Couldn't Take It. I Still
Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My
Cat," Melanie Lee Chang * mch...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Canine Behavioral Genetics Project
University of California, San Francisco
http://psych.ucsf.edu/K9BehavioralGenetics/
From: Rocky (2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: How to handle aggressive situations
Date: 2004-10-19 19:42:54 PST
Melanie L Chang said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> I try really hard not to yell. The times that I have, Solo
> joined in and then lunged to the end of the leash.
Or, at the other end of the spectrum, Rocky cowers,
thinking I'm angry at him - a reason I don't "yuk out"
others' dogs at agility trials or training.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
> and while it wouldn't be possble to completely eliminate
> health problems through health testing, it is possible to
> lessen the chance of them.
That's ABSURD.
> responsible breeders get to know potential buyers.
Ahhh, THAT'S the SECRET to ETHICKAL BREEDIN,
AIN'T IT, dog lovers.
> they grill them.
Perhaps they should "catch and release" them?
> they care about where their dogs are going, and
> they keep track of them through their entire lives.
OtherWIZE they'd be COMPETING with their own BREED STOCK.
> they microchip pups before they leave.
Microchippin dogs to PREVENT ESCAPE??? That's ABSURD.
But it HAS been implicated in CAUSING CANCERS.
> they have tight and required spay/neuter contracts.
Surgical ***ual mutilation is unnecessary unethical
veterinary malpractice which ONLY benefits the
ETHICKAL VETERINARY MALPRACTICIONER
and ETHICKAL BREEDER <{):~ ( >
Here's a few FACTS your fellHOWE pathetic miserable stinkin
rotten lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active accute chronic
life-long incurable malignant maliciHOWES MENTAL CASES and
veterinary malpracticioners DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW:
"Unlike what you will find in Spay/Neuter Fact Sheets,
the health impacts of spay/neuter that are discussed in
this paper are all backed up with citations to the veterinary
medical literature. You can find the paper here:
http://escregistry.kattare.com/healthEffectsOfSpayNeuterInDogs.pdf
http://www.neutering.org
Material that includes research data from 2006, 2005
was presented at ACC&D's Third International Symposium,
and part of the slideshows presentedare available here:
http://www.acc-d.org/2006%20Symposium%20Docs/Session%20I.pdf
Issues regarding previous assumptions on what neutering
does as a 'benefit' are pretty well challenged in this data above.
Alliance for Contraception in Cats and Dogs (ACC&D) is a
nonprofit 501C(3) group involved in attempting to study, define
and resolve some of the problems that currently exist internationally
as they regard issues of animal population control.
"More than 120 representatives from universities, animal welfare
organizations, foundations, companies, and government agencies
from 11 countries gathered to share information and plan for the
future". Main site: http://www.acc-d.org/
"On the negative side, neutering male dogs if done before maturity,
increases the risk of osteosarcoma (bone cancer) by a factor of 3.8;
this is a common ancer in medium/large and larger breeds with a
poor prognosis.
increases the risk of cardiac hemangiosarcoma by a factor of 1.6;
this is a common cancer and major cause of death in some breeds
triples the risk of hypothyroidism
increases the risk of geriatric cognitive impairment
triples the risk of obesity, a common health problem in dogs with
it the many associated health problems associated with obesity
· quadruples the small risk (<0.6%) of prostate cancer
· doubles the small risk (<1%) of urinary tract cancers
· increases the risk of orthopedic disorders
· increases the risk of adverse reactions to vaccinations
Hemangiosarcoma is a common cancer in dogs. It is a major
cause of death in some breeds, such as Salukis, French Bulldogs,
Irish Water Spaniels, Flat Coated Retrievers, Golden Retrievers,
Boxers, Afghan Hounds, English Setter, Scottish Terrier, Boston
Terrier, Bulldogs, and German Shepherd Dogs24.
In an aged-matched case controlled study, spayed females were
found to have a 2.2 times higher risk of splenic hemangiosarcoma
compared to intact females24.
A retrospective study of cardiac hemangiosarcoma risk factors
found a >5 times greater risk in spayed female dogs compared
to intact female dogs and a 1.6 times higher risk in neutered male
dogs compared to intact male dogs.25
The authors suggest a protective effect of *** hormones against
hemangiosarcoma, especially in females.
In breeds where hermangiosarcoma is an im****tant cause of
death, the increased risk associated with spay/neuter is likely
one that should factor into decisions on whether or when to
sterilize a dog.
Hypothyroidism
Spay/neuter in dogs was found to be correlated with a three fold
increased risk of hypothyroidism compared to intact dogs. The
researchers suggest a cause-and-effect relation****p26.
They wrote: "More im****tant [than the mild direct impact on thyroid
function] in the association between [spaying and] neutering and
hypothyroidism may be the effect of *** hormones on the immune
system.
Castration increases the severity of autoimmune thyroiditis in mice"
which may explain the link between spay/neuter and hypothyroidism
in dogs.
"Dr. Spain, who has been recently involved in many studies *****sing
the long-term risks and benefits of early-age neutering, presented
convincing data about the effects of spay/neuter on hip dysplasia,
cranial cruciate ligament rupture, long bone development, body
weight, diabetes, urinary tract infections, mammary cancer, and
several other conditions."
CONCLUSIONS
An objective reading of the veterinary medical literature reveals
a complex situation with respect to the longterm health impacts
of spay/neuter in dogs.
The evidence shows that spay/neuter correlates with both positive
AND adverse health effects in dogs. It also suggests how much we
really do not yet understand about this subject.
On balance, it appears that no compelling case can be made for
neutering most male dogs to prevent future health problems,
especially immature male dogs. The number of health problems
associated with neutering may exceed the associated health
benefits in most cases.
----------------------------
> they are willing to take their pups back at any time,
As they frequently must do.
> no matter what.
And then they MURDER them as bein UNFIT for WORKIN with people.
> they accept that they created them and are responsible for them.
AND THEY MURDER THEIR OWN DEFECTIVE DOGS.
> responsible breeders do NOT contribute
> to the number of dogs in the shelter.
Perhaps they DO by not meeting the market needs for
large numbers of ETHICKALLY BRED Pit Bull dogs <{); ~ ) >
Here's a ETHICKAL Grey HOWEND rescuer:
"After Numerous Training Cl*****, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness," mustang sally.
"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.
I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia
tech at our local shelter for a while, and
I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted
animals.
This however has nothing at all to do with
responsible breeders, because responsible
breeders don't contribute to that problem,"
Mustang Sally.
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001
Subject: Re: shock collars
Sally Hennessey <greyho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:b8m1dtsv6vuiblo63h8ekqiforibadrff2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
from being incredibly offensive and self-
righteous, this post shows and absence of knowledge
in the differences in dogs' temperaments, or perhaps
a lack of ability to perceive same.
The fact that you, Alison, have never met a dog to
whom corrections and discomfort, even pain, were
unim****tant does not mean that such dogs do not exist.
What it means is that you don't know as much about
dogs as you think you do, and you surely don't know
a damn thing about Harlan or anyone else's dog here.
I had a Dalmatian that would instigate fights with
one of her housemates; that dog had no fear or
anything, and pain incurred during a fight meant
nothing to her.
I know that that dog is not unique, and I'm sure many
people here can tell similar stories. The fact that
you, Alison, continue to say things to people such as
what you said to Theresa about causing her dog to
suffer (at least I guess that's what you meant by
"you cause your dog suffers" - - must be the King's
English you guys talk about over there) means that
you are an ignorant, arrogant, insensitive person
who is not worth further notice.
Sally Hennessey
"Sally Hennessey" <greyho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:54nuetsqgkhp26qqv128jnumgmb2m27opr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nope. No more than you'd convince Patch that
prongs and e-collars, in the right hands, are not
intrinsically abusive; or that dogs trained properly
with prongs or e-collars are not fearful, in pain, or
intimidated; or that any one of us here knows our
own dogs and their reactions better than someone
who has never seen them or us...hmmm.
I'm starting to see some similarities here.
Sally Hennessey
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> did i mention how few of these responsible breeders there are?
INDEEDY.
> an irresponsible breeder lets these dogs go to anyone
Like folks who'd allHOWE their ETHICKALLY BRED dogs to
go to dog parks and jeopardize the safety of J.Q. Pubic <{); ~ ) >
> and after the money has changed hands, they are done with
> the pups. these are the dogs that grow up to have unstable
> temperaments, or to be absolutely unsuitable for the family
> that bought them, to be too much work, to cost too much, to
> have health problems that the owners weren't bargaining for.
That's ABSURD.
> these are the dogs who get dumped in shelters every single
> day. these are the dogs running the streets, chained in the
> backyard, unsound in temperament.
No. These are the dogs who've been driven INSANE
by jerking choking shocking crating and surgical
***ual mutilation, poor diet and veterinary malpractice.
> but what can we do? i feel so helpless in the face of
> such rampant backyard breeding. i feel so helpless to
> do anything but talk myself blue about the problem and
> hope the word spreads.
We're workin on it, elegy...
> Coming Soon! Blogathon 2005 will be taking place on August
> 6, beginning at 9 AM Eastern time. My charity this year
> is Pit Bull Rescue Central.
SHAAAZZZAAAMMM!!!
> To sponsor me: my "campaign" information is listed here.
> In order to sponsor me, though, you have to register an
> account with the blogathon site. This doesn't mean you
> have to blog, stay up crazy hours, or anything like that.
> They just need your information in their system. From
> there you will be able to enter your pledge amount. It's
> supposed to be fixed so that it'll take you right back to
> my info, but if it doesn't, you'll unfortunately have to
> search through the campaigns. Mine is listed under the
.. name katie and the website shattering [dot] org. Thanks
> to everyone for your >sup****t!
> 08/06/2005: "11: the pit bull problem (part 2)"
> overbreeding is part one of the pit bull problem. it's
> a very significant part, mind you, but i don't think the
> most signficant part.
Agreed. The MOST SIGNIFICANT part is the Pit Bull Fancier
who jerks chokes shocks crates ribes intimidates and surgically
***ually mutilates their dogs whom they CANNOT CONFINE
despite their six foot privacy fence with shock barrier <{): ~ ( >
> irresponsible and uneducated owner****p of these dogs
> is the most significant part of the pit bull problem.
INDEEDY: The Pit Bull Fancier.
> people get these dogs because they're cool, because
> they're "dangerous", because they're there.
AND BECAUSE THEY NEED SAVING <{); ~ ) >
> they have no idea what they're getting into.
AS WE'LL SEE:
> these are very high maintainance dogs.
katie means they're HYPERACTIVE:
Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At
UofOH Oxford, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive
Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC.
Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific
Management Of Doggys. <{) ; ~ ) >
> they're prone to dog aggression.
THAT'S INSANE. ALL aggression is FEAR. ALL FEAR
is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING as HOWER Pit Bull
Fanciers promote in their ETHICKAL BREEDING campaines.
> they're athletic and rowdy. they will get out of your yard.
> luce has gotten out of the yard three times and she's never
> ever left unattended, with six foot privacy fencing even.
> she's been through the fence (nice of her to find the loose
> boards) and under the fence. i know she'll be over it one
> day.
Well then perhaps you should learn HOWE to
pupperly TRAIN your dogs, elegy aka katie???
LIKE THIS:
From: BethF
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2002 6:23 pm
Email: "BethF" <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
So, jerry's techniques didnt' work for Peach?
--Beth, Pseudo usenet cop
From: misty (Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?
Date: 2002-01-23 07:46:16 PST
Beth wrote:
> So, jerry's techniques didnt' work for Peach?
Never had a chance to try them on her... I was still
using the e-fence and chains to keep her in the yard.
The suggestions I received here to keep Peach home
were: build a fence... wasn't going to happen.. we plan
on putting a modular home here within the next few years...
put more fence at the top of the pen I used so both dogs
could play bitey face w/o tangling, and similar suggestions.
Jerry was the only one to mention border training... but he
was kook supreme ;-P So I ignored him... no killfiles with
webtv.. at that time Jerry had his own troll, somewhat like
Candace, so the group was not very conducive to learning
anything. At one point I even b*tched about Jerry.
By the time I tried out Jerry's manual Peach had
already ran away.
Not very good at the google groups search but you'll find my
first post at "runaway dog message 30" within that thread is
mention of the dogs taking off and being gone for 2 days. I
stopped posting for a bit... my middle boy was devastated that
his dog was gone... Zelda came home but not her mom.
The next few posts from me were ones about/to Jerry.
Then Jerry made the WETM accessible for webbes, I put it in
my e-mail ( no storage otherwise on webby unless you put stuff
on a webpage) and read it, read it and read it.
Once I understood what the concept was, I implemented it on
Zelda. It worked and I now have a great housedog!
I only regret that my own distrust of Jerry caused me to lose
another wonderful dog. Peach was an absolute gem with little
kids. I and my boys still miss her. Sometimes I still look
to see if she came home when we get back from trips. Maybe
Peach would still have ran away... I don't know and never
will....
~misty
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"misty" <Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote in message
I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do
know she's not here with us. I really can't blame
anyone here for her loss.
I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it
because of how you write/wrote. I was unwilling
to accept the idea that my using a shock collar
could have any bearing on Peach not wanting
to stay home.
Up until I started using it my main concern had
been keeping my dogs in their own yard.
Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my
concern became how to keep them from running
off for days on end.
I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled
in the anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.
I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the
world now <g> A Wits End Trained dog, one who
is completely housetrained, doesn't chew up stuff,
stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all the time.
IOW a great companion and friend.
Thanks Jerry!
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misty" <Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:6946-3B6337A1-329@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring.
Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and
no collars.
Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want
to come back in the yard and would run for days.
The last time, Peach didn't come back home.
I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how
to train my dog. She is now border trained. A few
minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in
the yard.
She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop
her from chasing cats and she no longer cringes
when we walk around the yard.
I can not say loud or long enough how much I
hate the e-fence and its collars. If you can't get
a regular fence then you need to train your dog.
I will never rely on an electronic collar to
keep my dog in our yard again.
The price was too high:-(
~misty
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From: Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(misty)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:44:25 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: Anyone tried the Wits End Training manual?
I used the Wit's Ends Training manual to teach myself how
to interact with Zelda. The first read through made no
sense to me...the second time through, things clicked and
the little lightbulb glowed.
I trained Zelda to stay in the yard, not chase cats, to come,
sit ,down, stop chewing toys and to be quiet when she barks
at things she hears outside.
I don't care if 99% of the manual came from 99 other trainers...
I needed the info, it was offered free of charge and any questions
can be asked of Jerry.
One thing about his method, although you can "spot" train
with it, it works best by a pyramid approach.IOW start
at the beginning and go through the exercises in the order
he has them wrote.
The part about "non-physical praise" confused me until I
tried a little experiment. I petted Zelda and told her
what a good girl she was...she enjoyed it, tail wagging.
I then put my hand away from her (behind my back) and
praised her...she got very wiggly, ****ged me with her nose,
pawed at me and wanted more praise. Not very scientific,
I know, but it was interesting to me how excited she got.
I find that I'm starting to use Jerry's method to "train"
my kids as well:-)
~misty
My "daughter" http://community-2.webtv.net/Momisty/ZeldaAnneArensdorf/
My sons http://community-2.webtv.net/Momisty/Arensdorf14Acre/
From: Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:13:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Anyone tried the Wits End Training manual?
On Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:44:25 -0500 (CDT),
Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(misty) wrote:
> I find that I'm starting to use Jerry's method to "train" my kids as
> well:-) ~misty
> My "daughter":
> http://community-2.webtv.net/Momisty/ZeldaAnneArensdorf/
> My sons: http://community-2.webtv.net/Momisty/Arensdorf14Acre/
Hi Misty!
I had just about exactly the same experience with Jerry's manual.
I had visited quite a few dog-training web sites, and, while they
didn't recommend anything too harsh, they all emphasized that
I must "assert my dominance" over the pup.
Anytime I tried doing that (just once or twice) it produced a
distinctly negative result... The pup got scared and ran away.
When I took the approach of simply making myself into the most
im****tant and desirable thing in her world, she responded incredibly
well. Now I can even break off a rabbit chase instantly (which I do
NOT want to allow, as I live in a rural area with chickens and
livestock) just by calling her once in a calm, affectionate voice.
Your kids and your dog are adorable, BTW!
You can see my pup at
http://www.geocities.com/viscouspuppy
Check the "more pictures" link -- like your dog, Holly
is more than happy to do an "alpha rollover" when I use
the gentle, non-confrontational approach Jerry recommends.
Charlie
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"misty" <Momi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:28899-3C4DAD04-144@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(me) wrote:
>> You can check Google for my posting history...
>> here, breeds, cats, kids and> birds... and I
>> have a dog who doesn't : chew inappropriate items,
>> jump on people, counter-surf, be aggressive, bark
>> too much, get in the garbage no matter what yummy
>> morsel is waiting, can be left overnight in the
>> house w/o pottying or any of the above... no, she
>> has no titles other than beloved pet.. but that
>> is enough for me.
>
Pat wrote:
>
> Misty, I have a dog who doesn't do any of these
> things either. She came to us with NO training
> whatsoever (didn't even know what 'sit' meant),
> but she didn't do any of those things when she
> came to us at the age of 18 months. Some dogs
> are just naturally good, easy-going, and very
> easy to live with. I'm lucky enough to have one.
Yes, some dogs are just good dogs but... Zelda used
to destroy stuff..kids toys, stuffed animals, shoes,
and even my pillow. She would pee in the house. She
would go on barking jags because the neighbor's dogs
were barking.
By using Jerry's manual I worked things out... I got
rid of the crate and put the kibosh on plans of getting
another shock collar (for e-fence) and had a plan to
follow which trained Zelda to stay in her yard and not
go roaming with her buddies.
Zelda came ito my life as a 3-4 month old pup who
lived outside, ran free and had never been inside.
We adopted her and then her mom, spayed both and tried
to cope with one dog who refused to stay home... jumped
fences, broke chains and finally chewed off collar to be
able to go go go. Peach didn't come back the last time.
Zelda started out running off with her mm and her buddies..
she continued to do so until I did the step by step plan
Jerry's manual outlines.
She stays home... she doesn't chew up stuff and she is
1000% housebroken.
Again.. Jerry might be "crazy" but his methods work
and they are free...
~misty
> they need a lot of training, and while they're
> smart dogs and usually very trainable dogs,
It's your "TRAINING" that causes those pronlems.
Perhaps they're SMART ENOUGH to HOWEtwit
the cunning of the dedicated Pit Bull Fancier and
domestic puppy dog trainers:
"...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
change of these three fundamental processes --
excitation, inhibition and disinhibition," Ivan P. Pavlov
"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.
"All animals learn best through play." -- Konrad Lorenz
"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's social
behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some
clinics have re****ted ELIMINATION ofthe need for
child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis
from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child
(Szrynski 1965).
A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases
SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
the parents tem****arily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."
> they're smart enough to make up their own games, and
> they're smart enough to know what they can get away
> with (more than you'd expect, i guarantee!)
Perhaps THAT'S on accHOWENT of the ETHICKAL Pit Bull
Fancier AIN'T GOT the INTELLECT to HOWEtwit the cunnin
of the domestic puppy dog <{); ~ ) >
> they're often prey-driven and will chase, catch, and
> kill cats or small dogs or whatever else is out there
> running.
That's INSANE:
From: Jeff Dege <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:58:22 -0500
Subject: Re: Squirrell chasing / Prey drive !!!!
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 19:06:57 -0400, buzzsaw wrote:
> A Loose Leash !?! Are you kidding me ... this
> dog is ready to go and the site of a squirell he
> is gone loose leash, tight leash, no leash.
> He can see them clear as far as 5 blocks,
> in fact when a leaf blows he is ready to bounce.
> He sees a empty water bottle, or a sprinkle head
> on the grass as approaching he is tensing up
> because it just may be rocky the squirell.
> I think the e collar is appropiate here?
> Although I never used one on him.
Won't make any difference.
I've been using an e-collar with my JRT, and it's
worked wonders for his recall. But the one time
he bolted after something small and furry, he paid
no attention to the collar until after he'd brought
it to bay.
Jeff Dege.
> Jeff Dege <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said in
> rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>> So my dog is going to decide that sitting beside me is more
>> interesting than chasing the squirrel across the street
>> because he _trusts_ me?
>
> In a convoluted way, and in part, Lucy is right. As Mary wrote,
> dogs put up with our human idiosyncrasies because we've built up
> a bond of trust. And *not* chasing a squirrel is certainly a
> strange thing from a dog's POV.
>
> Lucy, though, thinks that every dog is a dog, and that my Aussie
> will react to a squirrel the same way a hound or a Huskie will.
> In my house, "trust" with a prey-motivated dog involves a leash.
Near [sic] is a Jack Russell. And I trust that when he's
in prey-drive, he'll not even hear me call him.
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From: "lindalee" <llindaleedan...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 21 Jan 2006 18:34:10 -0800
Subject: Chasing squirrels
I have not posted to the group for awhile but
want to share my success of teaching my dog
Sun****ne, who has a very high prey drive, to
not go after squirrels when on a walk. It
took a few trials but he can now walk right
past squirrels running up a tree or in a yard.
Using Jerry Howe's approach I used a sound to
get his attention when he saw a squirrel and
then praised him and kept on walking past the
squirrel. Where we live in Michigan we lots of
squirrels and he was always wanting to chase
them up a tree. Jerry's approach of sound
and praise really works.
I think the people who discount his methods
have never tried the method because it works
everytine. Sometimes it takes a little practice
to get the sound from different directions but
I was able to change Sun****ne's behavior in
just a week after we moved back to Michigan.
Sun****ne is a very sensitive dog so any physical
corrections just won't work but using sound and
praise he is a really great dog who opens doors,
picks up things I drop, and and helps me a lot.
If you have a behavior problem with your dog get
a copy of Jerrry's manual and solve your problem!
---------------
Date: 5/22/03 11:24:35 PM Eastern
Daylight Time
From: p...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Witsend...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, let me tell you, your Wits' End
Dog Training Method works.
My dog, Dasie, Loves to chase chameleons
around the barbecue on the patio. I
used this system on four different occasions.
When she went out today, she looked
everywhere else but the barbecue.
Amazing, just amazing.
I will write to Amanda about the video.
I am really excited to learn more, and
understand. Maybe just a little reassurance
that I am going about it the right way.
Thanks again
Paul
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"Elizabeth Naime" <ena...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
message
news:r2itp09ioneibmse2mgmf0eslc5kohb51s@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Quoth Handsome Jack Morrison
> <me10...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> on Sat, 20 Nov 2004
> 02:15:55 GMT,
>
> > What's the difference between making, say, a
> > hard-charging field-bred retriever (say an equally
> > independent Chessie) "reliably do something that is
> > completely contrary to its wiring," e.g.,
>
<SNIP>
>
> Couple of years ago by now, a woman with fox
> terriers wrote about training a recall on the
> clicktrain list. She had used a long line and
> proofed for distractions per Koehler; yet the dog
> knew when he was on a line and when not, and
> would ignore her when there were squirrels to chase.
>
> She had used an e-collar under the direction of a
> professional, who said he had never met a dog who
> could tell whether he was wearing the real thing or
> the dummy collar, as her dog seemed able to.
>
> Heck, they're terriers. Chasing squirrels or other
> irresistable prey, they'll scramble through t*****
> bushes, tumble down rocky hills, and the prey could
> always bite back (though I'm thinking more of badger
> dogs -- the Cairn Terrier, the West Highland White
> Terrier, and the hunting Dachshund -- badgers are
> reputed to be pretty tough critters). And none of
> that diminishes the fun. What's a few scratches and
> lumps and bruises? And what are corrections
> from a long line or an e-collar in the face of such
> delightful temptation?
>
> What did work for her, at last, was chasing
> squirrels with the dog. I believe she used a harness
> with a long line and a snapback, not to correct the
> dog, but to ensure that during training he simply
> wasn't able to enjoyably chase squirrels without her
> cooperation.
>
> Each time he focused on her rather than a
> nearby squirrel, the reward was that they
> chased the squirrel together.
>
> The fact that his best friend and fellow squirrel
> chaser was a bit clumsly and let the squirrels
> get away didn't bother him... apparently the
> chase was the best part.
>
> Once he got the picture (not long at all) the dog took
> to running over and stepping on her foot when there
> was chasable prey about... which pretty much took
> care of the squirrel chasing problem, as she was
> then able to pick him up and/or reward him with a
> joint chase when appropriate and not too
> embarassing.
>
> A good while after this training success, she found
> that he would run and touch her foot to alert her to
> prey *she* hadn't seen yet. Which gave her time to
> pick him up the time he saw the chicken first...
>
> There are limits, obviously. You can't chase deer
> with your dog; ain't proper and the game warden's
> not gonna be happy with it.
>
> However, I think there's a lesson here for all
> trainers, about the dog knowing what's reinforcing
> and what's not (treats ranking lower than squirrels
> for this dog) and about modifying "drives," setting
> rules and limits rather than trying to "put a stop
> to it" entirely.
>
> So the retriever gets to chase and retrieve birds,
> the scent hound gets to use his nose, the terrier
> gets to chase the prey, the greyhound gets to lure
> course (or, squeamish though I personally might be
> about it, open-field course)... on the handler's
> terms.
-----------------------------------------
> they have very muscular jaws and are more than willing
> to put them to good use on whatever appeals (furniture,
> shoes, walls) unless you teach them otherwise.
Destructive chewin is CAUSED BY anXXXIHOWESNESS
from MISHANDLING therefore it CAN BE EXXXTINGUISHED
NEARLY INSTANTLY.
LIKE THIS:
From: Hoku Beltz
To: The Puppy Wizard
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM
Subject: Mahalo
Aloha Jerry,
Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy
technique is working wonders. I have not had a
shredded sheet for over a week now. It is nice
to be able to leave the bed made and come home
to a made bed.
Your program is awesome, but you already know
that. Keep up the good work!
Hoku
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"Hoku Beltz" <h...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:SN2k9.45447$V7.10868114@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aloha Sunny,
Just follow the training program to the letter, no matter how
insignificant some of the step seem to be and your pupy will
be a very well behaved dog in a few days.
I would seriously consider backing out of the training cl*****
as they will conflict with the Wit's End principles.
I went the training route first, and still had problems until I
found Wits' End. Now I have two "new and improved" dogs.
You won't be dissapointed if you follow the program.
Good luck,
Hoku
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AND LIKE THIS:
Date: 2001-11-14 09:13:21 PST
"Yves Dussault" <ydussa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:3b1110ff.3798143@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Hi!
> I have downloaded Wit's End Dog Training Method...
> In there there is that trick with a toy about "Separation
> anxiety surrogate toy technique."
> Anybody has tried that... I would like to give it
> a try with my GSP (German shorthair.....pointer)
> Comments? Yves Dussault
Yves,
I for one have tried it... in fact I use this all the time. I
just used it last evening while my husband and I went
out to see "The Mummy Returns" (a horrible turkey of
a movie, but at least the house wasn't chewed from
end to end in the meantime).
Yes, it really works. :-) So do the other distraction/praise
techniques described therein.
If you are interested in the manual, you will
probably want to begin the exercises as well.
Regards,
Lisa
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AND LIKE THIS:
"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME The
Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33 Years
Experience.
Subject: To Jerry
1 From: MarilynRammell
Date: Tues, Aug 3 1999 3:00 am
Email: "MarilynRammell" <marilynramm...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Hello Jerry,
A client of mine asked to say a 'big thank you' to you.
They have a 8 month spaniel that they were about to get
rid of.
In fact they had put her into kennels for a few day while
they 'thought it through'. They rang me the day before
they were due to collect her.
She had wrecked their home - everytime they left her she
destroyed something else. The walls, the cabinets, the
carpets, table legs, chair legs, - anything and everything.
They collected her and brought her to me. I gave them some
routine training exercises, and also I wrote out your advice
(I will say at this point that I was not sure about it at all,
and felt a little embarrassed - it was the advice about the
'toy dog that gets the praise for not making a mess'.
Anyway, this was 11 days ago and I heard nothing. Yesterday
they turned up at the new Monday evening class. They were
absolutely delighted.
They told me that after just one attempt, (your toy suggestion)
she 'stopped all the destruction'. They were in tear of happiness
while telling me.
Thank you Jerry.
Respectfully,
Marilyn
----------------
From: Marilyn Rammell (marilynramm...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: Separation anxiety (?) help needed!
Date: 1999/10/13
Hi Steve,
Just want to second Jerry's method for dealing with this -
I've suggested it to quite a few clients now and it's worked
'every' time.
It sounds a little 'amusing' I agree, but it really works.
Two of the occasions it's worked have been when the
owners were almost at the point of giving up (one had
actually put their dog into kennels for a few days so
that they could re-decorate the demolition done by the dog).
They rang me while the dog was still in kennels and were
not yet decided whether to collect the dog or not.
The very first time they tried Jerry's method, it worked.
Best of luck,
Marilyn Rammell
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AND LIKE THIS:
From: AIMEE (countrygirl0...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: House training and such...
Date: 2003-10-08 16:18:56 PST
I've been having a problem with my dog, Axel,
relieving himself in the house while I'm away
from home.
I've used TPW method's, and yesterday I was out
for 12 hours, and Axel didn't have one single "accident".
Today, I had hoped that the results would be just as
good - and they were (I was out for 11 hours).
The problem began when, as a puppy, Axel would
relieve himself in the house and I would point
at the mess and tell him "NO" or "Bad Dog".
That made him afraid to relieve himself in the
house or infront of me.
After I got TPW's training manual, I corrected my
mishandling of these instances.
When I came home to an "accident", I would simply
drop a can near the area and ask Axel "What's that?"
Then I would clean it up - with out showing him I was
the least bit upset about the mess, and when he looked
at the spot I would tell him "Good boy, you're a good dog".
This has been an ongoing problem, and thanks to the
Puppy Wizard, we've finally got it taken care of...
Also, Axel LOVES the cat's litter box...He enjoys the
"snacks" he can find in there...I followed TPW's methods
by alternating sounds and praising him while or before
he sticks his nose in it, and today, he's been going into
the room with the cat box and barking. That's because
he's thinking about getting into the box, but he knows he
shouldn't.
Thank you, Jerry, for all you help.
You've been a blessing to all of us.
AIMEE
-----------------------
From: AIMEE (countrygirl0...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
):
I own a black an tan coonhound. We got him
as a puppy, and due to constant mishandling
(pulling on his lead, negative corrections, and
the occasional use of a bark collar) I ended
up with a very anxious dog.
I couldn't leave him home alone, I couldn't
crate him, I couldn't even take my dog for
walks because he feared EVERYTHING.
I was going to have to get rid of him if things
didn't turn around.
My husband and I searched the internet for
answers - AND WE FOUND THE PUPPY WIZARD.
For all of you disbeliveers out there HIS METHODS WORK!
I've followed his manual, and we now have a
dog that can be left home alone, that heels
on command, that can go outside and NOT
be afraid of everything he sees.
Not only have his methods helped our dog, but
our marriage has gotten better. We had fallen
into a rut - constant bickering and tension, we
never laughed or had FUN together - but now,
with the same mindset used in THE PUPPY
WIZARDS dog training, our communications
channels have opened, and we now work
together instead of against one another.
For all the "Literalists" out there, NO WE DID
NOT TEACH EACH OTHER TO SIT, STAY,
OR HEEL.
We simply eliminated the nagging and the acting out to get
NEGATIVE attention from one another since we weren't getting
the POSITIVE attention we wanted.
So, it's been proven - THE PUPPY WIZARDS METHODS WORK.
It's up to you to accept them. Yes, there's alot of blame
that we have to accept, but once we realize that we've caused
these problems to arise, we can strive to make things better.
AIMEE
*****************************
AND LIKE THIS:
From: "nicole" <>
To: "Jerald D. Howe"
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 10:46 AM
Subject: Off to a good start!
Hi Jerald,
Just wanted to tell you we read your manual and have
started working with the dogs...
"Chloe" (the one we adopted--a.k.a. "The Destroyer")
has already shown great improvement! (In Just 1 DAY!)
She responds even better than our other
(better-behaved) dog "Poe".
We tried out the surrogate toy technique, and not a thing
was touched when we got back! We were both surpised
because Chloe isn't that interested in toys and was still very
uptight about us reaching for the door...anyway, it seemed
to work. We both work all day today so we'll see how that
goes...
Regardless, we will be cool as cukes when we get home! ;)
I'm just so thankful we might have a chance to get
through to her! We're very excited about her progress
thus far...
Thank You!
Nicole, Michael, Poe and especially Chloe!
-----------------
AND LIKE THIS:
From: "LEE " <>
To: <ThePuppyWiz...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 6:11 AM
Subject: Wits end training in England
HOWEDY Lee,
> Hi,
> I have stumbled across your training method on the internet
EXCELLENT!
Nuthin happens by accident or coincidence.
> and I am pleased to say, one part of it has worked
> already after only 3 days of training.
Wonderful! Please follow the method entirely and
PRECISELY. It NEVER FAILS, but it's very unforgiving
of mistakes and doesn't play well with other methods.
> I own two boxers, one of which is a rescue dog who
> sufferred from 'seperation anxiety'
SA usually takes no more than WON day or two, to break.
> and would constantly chew his bedding in his crate
> when in the house alone. After only 2 sessions of
> praising his favourite nylon bone and leaving it in
> front of the crate before leaving, the behaviour is gone!
> Lee.
HOWETSTANDING!
-----------------------
AND LIKE THIS:
Chris Williams writes:
"The FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual
I do find valuable. Much of it I recognize as what
I've always done without thinking of it as "training".
New stuff, I've used. His anchoring technique erased
the last of Mac's fireworks trauma,"
-----------
AND LIKE THIS:
From: "LESPERANCE/DEAKIN" <madea...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: 1999/10/06
Subject: Re: Separation Anxiety
Well Jerry, I have to hand it to you. It worked!
Our dog was very well behaved until I had to go on the
road for my work this summer. I was gone twice for 10
long days each time. Although there were still people
home, I am the "primary care-giver" to my dog, so he
became destructive (shoes, books, rugs, papers etc)
We have a crate, but I believe it is too small for him
now - he is a cross golden/gsd and when he sits or stands
he cannot hold his head up as the top is too low, so I
didn't want to crate him while I went to work for sometimes
8 hours.
Anyway, I decided to try your method with the toy.
I would find a toy, tell it to be good and place it in
his crate. After just 3 days, there was no more destruction
in the house - even when daughter or hubby forgot to put
their shoes away! Now the toy stays in the crate all day,
and he even crawls in to be with the "good toy" when I leave.
He seems quite proud when we come home.
I have not tried the can thing - don't quite understand
that, so I think my dog may be confused too!
Marcie (Winslow's mom)
------------------
AND LIKE THIS:
"Anthony Testa" <testa52> wrote in message
We came home to almost $1,000 in damage.
Furniture, the blinds were all chewed and torn
down, etc. The next day we put her in the crate
again. This time we came home to a nice 2' x 3'
hole in our carpet in the middle of the living room,
right down to the cement.
I told my wife that we cannot afford to keep this dog.
We should go out and get a puppy.
<SNIP>
First, at no cost he sent us his manual. We started
doing exactly what he said to do in the manual.
Exactly as we did was was written, the results were
exactly as he said it would be. Then we purchased
the DDR.
This is an amazing god send to us.
First of all, Jerry sent it to us without paying. (thanks
for that gesture) This has such and AMAZING effect.
This testimonial is kind of winded so I will say this......
Jerry's product literally saved this dogs life.
Angel can be left alone during the day. NO CRATE. The
dog shows absolutely no sign of anxiety at all. Jerry
told us the product works immediately and it did! She
does not bark at all during the day except when the
mailman drops mail into the slot on the door.
The manual for training works exactly as it says!
<SNIP>
Jerry, after reading some of the threads in the news
group, I can't for the life of me understand why this
many people are so dang blind or ignorant.
You just keep plugging away at what you do, because
you my friend are a life saver!!!
Anytime you need someone to speak about the results
of your product, you have my number. We would galdly
talk to them.
Thank you very much for all your help.
God bless you...
Anthony & Linda Testa
Jacksonville, Florida
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AND LIKE THIS:
"nesskay" <ness...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:1156529540.182250.183510@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
has been a couple of months since we have initiated Jerry Howe's
recommendations for resolving the separation anxiety in our 8 y.o.
chocolate lab.
We have seen remarkable results.
She can now be left on our houseboat and we can return with
all of the wood trim and/or blinds intact. Before we spoke with
Jerry and started the training, we could not leave her without
her barking in a high pitch incessantly.
I had resorted to "building her a pen" with pieces of chair
railing, putting chairs in front of windows, and moving the
bed so that she could not get to the blind (again!). It would
take about 10-15 minutes of planning and moving things before
we could leave.
Even with that, she would find something to destroy. We NOW
use the surrogate toy method and can go out, shop, go to dinner
or whatever, without any problems.
She is glad to see us when we return, but no longer frantic.
I am so happy that this seems to be the norm now.
Another problem that we had with her was although she would
not destroy the house, she would leave us runny poop in several
places.(kind of the same as destroy I guess). I tried to blame this
on her diet, but realized that her anxiety level was so high that
she just had no control. Now, the only time that she has done
that is when she devoured a diaper from the trash!!!
Jerry's methods work. I found him by typing in separation
anxiety+orlando florida into Google, otherwise I don't want
to speculate what could have happened with Amelia.
We were at our Wit's End!!!!!! Thanks so much Jerry.
We have given your URL to everyone we know with a dog.
Your methods work. The others that we tried did not.
It is that simple!
Thank you, Thank you Thank you!
Nancy and Amelia
----------------------
I THINK YOU GET THE POINT.
DON'T YOU.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> they should be as close to fearless as dogs come, extremely
> confident, and stubborn. a dangerous combination when left
> to their own devices.
Then perhaps they should all be euthanized.
> dog aggression is the *norm* in these dogs-
No. ALL aggression is FEAR.
ALL FEAR is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
> they're a fighting breed! this means
> they cannot go to dog parks, period.
THAT'S INSANE:
"You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said
Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar
Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House
Cats? Don't bother. The answer is never," lying "I
LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.
lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs:
"This Article Is Something We've Put Together
For SF GSD Rescue
From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats
Date: 1999/11/20
ginge...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> How can I get him to quit chasing the cats.
Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong - Lynn K.
"Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don't
forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works
better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in
this situation.
Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but
should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how
to instruct the owner in their proper use. Electronics can
take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars. At that
time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or
whatever other reward system was being used."
8) Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.
Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong
works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the
dog in this situation. Have the dog in a sit-stay next to
you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat
walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is
why you have the dog muzzled).
If the dog makes an aggressive move towards the
cat, it must be corrected strongly with both your
voice and the collar.
This is im****tant - the correction must be physically
very strong - not a nag. (PS: not many dogs need
to be corrected at all)."
Baghdad Bob <Baghdadbob> wrote in message
<news:04591a2c5d469ef78d35c89ed4ed58f7@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>...
Lynn, looks like he got you there if these
quotes are true.
In the posts below you take responsibility for
making those calls.
In your post above, you state you do not
make those calls.
Which one is it?
WORDS OF WISDOM
From Our Own Lynn Kosmakos
1200mg Of Lithium And 50 mg Of Zoloft
EVERY DAY
For Twenty Years
I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM
"I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-
depression) requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50
mg of Zoloft every day.
I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to
learn more, while happily sharing pertinent
information I have learned. But if I were ever
to post such sh*t, I would hope that every other
reader of this group would be rightfully outraged."
"Community is an evolutionary thing that we
earn the right to participate in by observing
the easily understood rules and contributing
to in constructive ways."
Lynn K.
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> they may very well play nice with certain dogs (mine do)
katie's own dogs cannot be trusted together.
> but want to kill others (mine do)
LUCKY THING katie is a EXXXPERT on Pit Bull Aggression.
> and this is normal and not the end of the world.
UNLESS you're the innocent VICTIM of ETHICKAL Pit Bull Owners:
Really Bad Day
Date: 2004-03-21 17:34:07 PST
HOWEDY leah,
"Leah" <dfrntdr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> The mom of a graduate student
BWEEEEEHAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!
You're no dog trainer, you're a FRAUD.
> interrupted my class,
Class??? You don't have trainin cl***** you
teach people to throw treats to dogs for mindless
unthinking behaviors and tell folks to jerk and
choke and shock dogs when bribing and avoiding
behaviors doesn't work an then you try to get HOWET
callin THAT, trainin.
> in a state of shock,
AnyWON who'd trust you to train them to handle
their dog was in a state of shock or takin anti psychotic
meds before they started.
> to tell me that her rottie had killed a little
> dog at a dog park today.
Tough break. R.I.P., dog.
-----------------------
"It was kind of funny, in an absurd way. The rabbit
was completely still, eyes open and glazed, dried
blood in his ears and mouth, with his back legs
stiffening quickly.
It was her pet rabbit, not a wild bunny, so
that made it much harder for her.
And he was killed by bichons.
Her dogs had torn it apart. My one student who had
shown up (another weird thing about the night) and I
had to continuously check for heart and bowel sounds
for her, until she could accept that the rabbit was dead.
(The rigor mortis in his back legs she attributed to "pain").
Full moon.
Canine Action Dog Trainer
http://www.canineaction.com
> Then she mentioned the names of her dogs,
> and I immediately remembered them.
YOUR STUDENT, leah. Like that RECENT "GRADUATE
STUDENT" Rottie who'd been in your "SOCIALIZATION
cl*****" since IT was ten weeks old who RECENTLY
MURDERED a little innocent DEAD DOG at the park.
> I will always remember the dogs.
Yeah. You and ed w of PET LOSS dot COIN.
From: dfrntdr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Leah)
Date: 05 Nov 2002 00:55:40 GMT
Subject: Re: The Puppy Wizard
>"Mike E" m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> My question was "Is there any legitimacy to the
> harshly-worded teachings of the Puppy Wizard?"
Any legitimate advice he gives is plagiarized from
other, more coherent sources.
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. :}
PetsMart Pet Trainer
See My Furry Family At:
Leah Effexor for chronic depression, in denial
about being mentally ill. Has taken
several other mentally ill medications
before settling on effexor for her chronic
mental problems. Recenly changed to
another ANTI PSYCHOTIC prescription.
"I don't think Jerry intentionally lies. I think he twists
things around in his own mind until he actually believes
what he's saying."
Jerry is the only poster here who gives dangerous
advice. Google for spike and squirt. And let's not
forget the times he's told posters whose dogs have
medical problems that his halfwits-end program could
cure them.
PetsMart Pet Trainer
My Kids, My Students, My Life
BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!
> unless a dog is over the top crazy aggressive, it can
> be trained, as long as you're willing to put in the work,
Like your own dogs, katie?
> to behave in public.
LIKE THIS?:
"Ama...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
" wrote:
No, the dog learned that I would hold still
the second she began to pull. She would pull
to go where *she* wanted.
Well if she wanted to stop and go in another
direction.. say to sniff my neighbors yard..
she learned if she wanted to do it I would stop
walking and she could go.. and if there wasn't
enough slack on her lead she would just pull me.
Then when she got done doing *her* thing, she woudl
heel.. smile at me and wait for me to say "let's go"
and finish *my* thing. I would refuse to move .. i
looked like an idiot.. freezing mid walk for minutes
waiting for *my* dog to heel and give *me* permission
to go again.
I did the treats and the let's go... she got to do her
stuff and get a cookie.. if she even wanted the cookie.
I wound up calling Jerry.. as I have a half red nose
pit and half amstaff.. who is incredibly protective..
we had a new pup on the way.. and i needed help.. i
followed petsmarts trainnign guides.. memorized them...
and they *did* work, don't get me wrong.. but only
when my pet wanted a cookie or felt the cookie was
better than what she wanted.. which was not often.
She quickly learned to ignore my commands if she
could see my hands were empty. So I called Jerry...
he chatted me for about an hour and a half.. gave me
his link... and even when i had probs intro'ing the
pup he called me withn i5 mins of my email for help
at 10pm on a sunday night.
One.. singular.. uno family pack exercise after
the hot and cold exercise and i could zig zag
down my street.. about face .. whatever.. and
never had tension.
two men were acrossed the street and she walked right
by them... ordinarily she'd snarl and protect us.
And in two days.. my dog.. who bit the puppy if he
even looked like he was going near my husband or kids..
is nursing him every hour.. cleaning him.. rough housing
gently.. and teaching him to go potty outside..
actually watches him to make sure he doesn't go in
the house... and has milk.. which is awesome since
she's 19 months old and has never had a litter.
She also has stopped barking non stop at our neighbor's
dogs and pig.. does not bark at eveyr car that drives by
and has stopped jumping on people. she's even starting
to ignore our cat who has lived on her dome litter box
and our window sill (literally) for over a year and a half.
She also does her commands on cue.. and doesn't look for a treat.
---------
> that dog will never be safe off-leash in an uncontrolled
> environment (ie, dogpark!) but there is no reason that dog
> can't have a full life on a leash and in controlled situations
> with other familiar doggy friends.
Like her own dogs who ESCAPE her fence despite
NEVER bein UNSUPERVISED and CANNOT be
TRUSTED bein left together <{): ~ ) >
> there is a certain faction of people who believe with
> all their hearts that dog aggression can be loved out
> of pit bulls, can be socialized out, can be trained out.
> this is a dangerous dangerous belief, in my opinion.
Just like HOWE there are CERTAIN PEOPLE who believe
with all their hearts that dog aggression IS CAUSED by
ETHICKAL Pit Bull Fanciers trainers and veterinary
malpracticioners.
> socializing is extremely im****tant
Socialization is DONE by the time a puppy leaves the litterbox.
> and can make the difference between a dog who only
> has trouble with a few dogs and a dog who wants to
> eat every single dog,
INCONSISTENCY is the BANE of the scientific method.
ANY dog who's INCONSITENT in AGGRESSION and other
temperament or behaivor problems PROVES the PROBLEM
is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING <{): ~ ) >
> but pit bulls have been bred for generation upon generation
> to be aggressive toward dogs, to fight with them, and to fight
>to the END with them. we don't expect retrievers to not retrieve.
That's INSANE.
> we don't expect herding breeds to not herd. why
> do people expect fighting breeds to not fight??
If your ETHCIKALLY BRED field and herding dog BREEDERS
had generations after generations of line bred field and herding dogs
they WOULDN'T NEED SHOCK COLLAR TRAININ to train their
NATURALLY BRED WORKIN STOCK, would they, elegy aka katie.
> but i think the biggest problem is all is where the two
> problems- the overbreeding and the poor owner****p meet.
BWEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!
> people buy these dogs from crappy breeders
You mean CRAPPY BREEDERS who WON'T TAKE BACK
their own puppy mill backyard bred stock to MURDER for their
puppy customers when mishandling causes fear and aggression
problems.
> and they get dogs with terrible temperaments.
Of curse SOME people believe with all their hearts that those
"PROBLEMS" are CAUSED by MISHANDLING, not
UNETHICAL BREEDERS who DON'T TAKE BACK their
stock to be MURDERED for their puppy customers <{): ~ ) >
> dogs who are fearful, dogs who may even be aggressive
> toward humans. and they accept this in their pet and
> think it is normal, and then somebody gets hurt.
Like when your dogs escape your fence or attack each other
OR attack *you* for jerking choking shocking and bribing
and forcing them like HOWE you MURDERED your own
DEAD RESCUE dog Homer?
> human aggression in pit bulls is NOT ACCEPTABLE.
INDEED?
> these dogs were NOT bred to be guard dogs.
Well FRAUDreck hassen has some CHUMPion titled winnin
Pit Bull Attack dogs who work very nicely in the show environment.
BWEEEEAHAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
> they were NOT bred to be protection dogs.
On accHOWENT of they DON'T ATTACK HUMANS
unless they come from UNETHICKAL backyard / puppy
mill breeders and pet shops.
> they are supposed to be exuberently friendly with strangers.
UNLESS they're jerked choked shocked bribed crated
intimidated and mutilated by ETHICKAL breeders and
Pit Bull Fanciers like katie aka elegy.
> they are supposed to be sure of themselves, not wary,
> not fearful, not hiding behind the owner, not growling
> under the breath. all of this is unacceptable and the
> signs of an UNSOUND dog.
Of curse ONLY ETHICKAL Pit Bull Fanciers BLAME THE BREED.
> and yet people don't know this, they buy the dogs, they
> adopt the dogs, and they get in trouble or end up in
> heartbreak when they find out that it's not ok.
SOME people "mistakenly believe with all their hearts"
that ALL dog behavior and temperament problems are
CAUSED BY MISHALDING.
> i have a lot of tolerence for dog aggression in these dogs,
That's curiHOWES for a DOG LOVER, AIN'T IT katie???
> perhaps more than most people,
INDEEDY. Hence the name elegy and your DISAPPEARING posts.
> but i have very very little tolerence for human aggression.
THAT'S the NATURE of a NATURAL BORN COWARD.
> there is some aggresion that can be controlled through
> training, desensitization of fearful dogs, peacefully
> reappointing a weak owner as leader of the pack through
> a Nothing In Life Is Free program, but a pit bull who
> is willing to put teeth on a human as an act of aggression
> (whether defensive or offensive) is NOT okay in my book,
> and humane euthanasia is the right decision.
THANK YOU!:
Subject: < BEFORE -> "Jerry, You filthy, Unctuous,
No Good Charlatan,"
< AFTER -> "Thank You Jerry For Putting Up With
A Constant Barrage Of Really Infantile
Crap At The Hands Of Supposedly Adult
Dog Lovers.
'Naive' Is Believing You Can Terrorize
A Dog Into Good Behavior," Robert Crim.
>Subject: Re: Fritz---a retrospective
>Date: 02/05/1999
>Author: Robert Crim <fritzg...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> You filthy, unctuous, no good charlatan. If you had
> any idea of what dogs and dog people were about
> you would realize the depths of the absolute loathing
> and contempt I hold for you right now. Were it not
> for the blessed distance and anonymity that the internet
> gives us from the s***my likes of you, I would probably
> be in a jail cell right now for turning you into the pile
> of **** you really are
Hey, Howe, you really are a wacko, eh?
Crim wrote this about *YOU,* you insipid piece of cow dung!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
--
Dogman
mailto:dog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:24:15 -0700, dogsnus
<"Terri"@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Wrote:>
> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> come forward and actually believe in his training manual.
Robert Crim writes:
I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.
This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.
The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.
To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog.
Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake
names are more honest than people that use their real
names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders
and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.)
are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.
"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.
Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.
> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and
> actually admit to buying and having success with his
> little black box.
I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.
> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming
> to him! LOL!
I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.
>Terri
Yes it was, and that is sad.
Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)
===========
Crim wrote THAT about *YOU,* tommy,
"you insipid piece of cow dung!"
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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> (i don't necessarily feel this way about all breeds
> of dogs btw. some dogs, such as dobes, were bred for
> a very different purpose and while i don't like dogs
> to bite, i find it much more acceptable in a breed
> that was created to do so.)
THAT'S INSANE.
> 08/06/2005: "2: some more intro-y stuff"
>
> here's me: my name is katie, i work as a veterinary technician,
> and of the six jobs i've had in my short and not very exciting
> life, five have been working directly with animals. i had a desk
> job once and i hated it. i love working with animals and i can't
> imagine a different line of work, though i really wish the one i
> were in paid more. i'm very interested in dog training, and would
> someday like to even work as a trainer, but we'll see about that.
>
> i've only trained my own dogs but i read a lot and discuss a lot
> and watch a lot. there's so much to learn and every dog is so
> different and i love it.
>
> anyway, my two dogs are eleusis, (Eleusis: gateway to
> the underworld.(Greece)E·leu·sis Listen: [ -lss ] An
> ancient city of eastern Greece near Athens, site of
> the Eleusinian mysteries.) a three(ish)-year-old red
> brindle, red nosed pit bull lunatic that i got from
> the local humane society in december of '03.
>
> she's dog aggressive and extremely dog reactive. when i got her
> she was a complete out-of-control nut. she was horrible around
> other dogs. she'd lunge and scream at the top of her lungs (yes,
> scream!) and could not control herself at all. i have put a ton
> of work and time into this dog. she's been through four obedience
> cl***** and a number of private lessons.
>
> she now has her canine good citizen (cgc) certificate and she
> goes to rally obedience matches and i'll eventually get my act
> together enough to compete with her in really trials.
>
> mushroom came a year later after the passing of my miniature poodle.
> he's also around three years old, dark seal pit bull. he's also got
> some dog aggression issues (mostly learned from luce), but he's for
> the most part a very nice, eager, mellow, sweet dog. he holds down
> the couch for me more often than not.
>
> he's a much easier dog than luce, and while he doesn't have his
> cgc yet, that's me being lazy, not him. he's very submissive,
> whereas luce is a very pushy dog with other dogs, so the match
> is a good one.
>
> they've had a few spats and they are never left alone together,
> but they do well as a multi-dog household (except they do tend
> to double-team me with kisses when they're ready to get up and
> i want to sleep five more minutes....)
>
> eleusis
And NHOWE, let's get on with the elegy murderin
her own DEAD RESCUE dogs SHOWE:
On Oct 26, 6:06 pm, elegy <el...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:27:15 +0200 (CEST), Anonymous
> <nob...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > Puppy is about 7 months old. I'm trying to teach him "come."
> > Sometimes he does it fine. Other times, he just sits there, looks
>> at me and ignores me. It is extremely frustrating.
That ain't hardly as frustrating as MURDERIN your own
last TWO DEAD "RESCUE" dogs on accHOWENTA you
ABUSED them, is it, elegy, you pathetic miserable stinkin
lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active accute
chronic life long incurable mental case.
> this is my favorite link for teaching a reliable recall
> <http://www.****rleychong.com/keepers/Lesson6.html>
Yeah? Your friend Mistress ****rley is a B&D/S&M SPECIALIST
who can't train the come command withHOWET her trusty SHOCK
COLLAR you pathetic lyin animal murderin ignorameHOWES:
Here's your PAL, MISTRESS ****rly chong,
crapHOWES CLICKER TRAINER:
"To be effective as a positive punisher, I set the level
of shock at a level high enough (in my best guesstimation)
to be unpleasant to the dog. I want the dog to startle a
bit and even yelp when they get shocked.
No, this is not pleasant.
After each shock, I call the dog again (because many
dogs tend to panic when something mysteriously reaches
out and stings them)."
But don't go away yet, my pretty flying monkey, there's MOORE:
"If the dog is still refusing the recall, then I escalate my
aversive a bit--usually, to taking two big handfuls of ruff
as I move backwards.
Some dogs do get "long line wise.""
No, some trainers are just long line stupid.
You can't force a dog to come.
"That is, they never refuse a recall while on the long line
but when the long line is gone, they are unreliable even if
the handler started with close recalls off lead in a familiar
(and safely fenced) area."
That's because you can't teach compliance with force no
matter HOWE gently you try to force. ANY force, even verbal
intimidation, will cause the opposition reflex to compel the
dog to do other than what you want.
Too bad you sharp trainers here don't understand that. It's
called positive thigmotaxis, and it's just as valid with a
choke collar as it is with a mental attitude. Force causes
the dog to not respond.
"IF the dog never ever refuses a recall while on the long
line, no matter what the distraction (and I am pretty good
at devising distractions for this test!), then I move to a
shock collar."
That's a competent clicker trainer, by golly!
Where do you people come off with that kind of crap?
Here's Miss ****rly, the CLICKER TRAINER you recommended to us:
Newsgroups: soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm
From: M ****rley Chong <eithne @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 02:16:30 -0500
Subject: Re: OT Big dog problem. Serious help needed
MasterofDelight wrote:
> Welcome back, and it sure did not take you long to pick up on
> the dog training thread. As you can see, you commentary was missed.
Thanks!
Yes, there's nothing more likely to lure me out of lurk
mode than a training question. I'd planned to lurk for
a couple weeks to get up to speed again but before I
knew it, the keyboard was rattling.
> OB:bdsm Do you give advice on "puppy training" too?
Sure! I may not have a clue as to what I'm talking
about but that never stops me.
****rley eithne @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.****rleychong.com
Newsgroups: soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm
From: M ****rley Chong <eit...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:48:53 -0500
Subject: Re: pregnancy and S&M?
dionysiangrrrl wrote:
> I just learned I'm pregnant, and while in most respects, I find it to be
> excellent news, I'm a little concerned about play time. I'm a fairly
heavy
> masochist used to frequent beatings and torture, and have held back from
> play so far until I get a little more advanced, just to be safe. But if
I
> make it healthily through the first trimester, does anyone have any
advice
> for pregnancy whompings? (Besides the fairly obvious "no more gut
> punches" rule :)
Congratulations!
My advice is to ask your doctor. Because your doctor is the
one who knows your specific conditions, because there's a
lot of advice out there of varying quality (including this!)
and because it's im****tant to have peace of mind that you
are doing the right thing at a time like this.
Most doctors have heard it all. If they haven't heard it all,
they should have. <G> If you have reason to believe that your
doctor may react badly then maybe that's an indication this
isn't the doctor for you.
Better to find this out now rather than when you are in
labor and not in the mood to holler at some rank narrow
mindedness and unable to gather your dignity and march out.
Those hospital gowns just don't cut it for dignified exits
unless you back out the door and then there's the little
problem of who is out in the hall.
Much easier in the long run to tell the truth.
****rley
Newsgroups: soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm
From: redneckpai...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Joe Sergio)
Date: 17 Apr 2004 00:51:40 GMT
Subject: Re: OT Big dog problem. Serious help needed
JK said:
> Gee, let's see, why not take your dogs to a training school
> or ask your local police how they do it with their dogs?!
Ive already called the K9 officer in my town.
Left a message. He will get in touch with me.
> And I don't know do you think maybe slapping your dogs
> around so much and living with them, I mean all that
> attention you are giving them might just have something to
> do with why they like you and your family more than the
> neighbors?
I don't slap them around so much. I'll pop em, and all
when they do something wrong, and fuss at em. But I have
found something even better to make them stop what they
are doing.
A dustbuster. Just turn it on. Or show it to them. They
hate any type of va*** cleaner. It's worked about keeping
Jake out of the garbage. I sat in the kitchen a whole day,
and every time he went to the garbage can and went to stick
his head in, I turned it on. He stopped that.
Mainly I just pet them. They lay there by my chair and I
reach down and scratch them. They get up in the chair with
me. Tha'ts not easy when they are that big. But they still
think they are puppies. I do spoil them sometimes, but they
are my boys, and I love them.
> Hey, but this is the SSBB clearinghouse and you know the brain
> bucket is just outside and we do expect you to leave your brain
> there first before you post your problems here. Afterall, we all know
> that SSBB has all the answers you need for all your problems. Don't
> bother picking up your phone and calling around 'cause you got the
> good ole SSBB to help solve your problems.
You dumbass, I did call around and ask some advice from
other folks as well first. I posted it here because Miss
****rley trains dogs, and there are a few folks here who
know more about it than I do.
Why do you try to turn every post you reply to into a noncon
humiliation scene with you topping? Could it be that this is
the only action your getting? LOL
> Time to fetch your brain. Come on boy you can do it. There you go.
I'd ask you to fetch yours, but I don't think you can
see something that small without a microscope.
--
Joe
Suck a lifesaver today, put a fireman in your mouth.
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